Coronavirus (COVID-19) Discussion Part X

[usernamezrhardtodo]

I believe the point he’s making is that they quite literally changed the definition of a well established concept to suit their agenda.

If they kept the definition the same (as it’s always been) but made a note that people who have previously contracted COVID-19 may not have the antibodies long-term, it would not be a big deal.

Ya...they changed it to basically say that your antibodies aren't going to last but big pharma's will last. My wife had covid in early Jan and didn't get it from me in the middle of november...neither did my kids who also had it in January. This trust the science stuff only works if you consider science that has been used to treat and diagnose for many years...not make up as you go science that has no basis in fact. Out of the 60M people that have had covid only 4 people got it again...you have a better chance of getting struck by lighting while winning the lotto 6/49 than you do of getting covid again if you had it within the last year.

 

[usernamezrhardtodo]

Herd immunity has always been achieved through previous infection or vaccination, depending on the virus. With this virus they've found through research that the antibodies don't stay from previous infection. This isn't some agenda, this is what the research has found. So why would they keep the previous definition for Herd immunity for covid-19?

Quick question...did they give multiple polio vaccine shots or just one? I have only one scar on my arm...did they always shoot it in the same place if it needed multiple shots?

 

[Nineteen67]

saw this on twitter thought pretty applicable for this thread given ontario lockdown

Here, big businesses are getting millions and millions, art galleries are getting funds, etc....but the working stiff is getting very little.
Evil doers are being very greedy and, evil.

 

[cbbb25]

Not only that
Amplifying a PCR test that was never meant to diagnose
And listing all members of a household as a case to make the numbers look bigger than they are,

Yes it's an inconvenience some people can't pay their f***ing bills or feed their f***ing kids
An inconvenience lol

Lots of reasons for financial difficulties such as low paying jobs, disability ect.. but I think we also have a problem with financial literacy in this country.

No emergency accounts, no emergency line of credit?

non-essential bills like a new iPhone with 20gb plan, big screen tv with $150 a month cable, two cars leased, Netflix, crave, ect,

I listen to Dave Ramsey and though hes not for everyone he makes you realize how those aren't essential items. 4 years ago I was massively in debt because I couldn't say no to a night out with friends, getting the newest phone, vacationing. Started to realize how its not sustainable. I cut back and tackled my debt and am now slowly increasing my wants such as a new computer or phone.

People seem to think that everyones entitled to a middle-upper income lifestyle when that's not the case.

Now if you really cannot afford the basics that is a societal problem like I mentioned at the beginning but we have to make sure the two are separate (societal problems and financial literacy problems)


***Pre-covid this entire debate started to become an issue because as crazy as it sounds 1 year ago people were struggling to pay their bills because we raised the interest rate .25! I couldn't believe the amount of people that said that tiny increase was going to swamp them. Weird to think only a year ago people were complaining that the bank of Canada was raising interest rates too fast.

 

[Future]

saw this on twitter thought pretty applicable for this thread given ontario lockdown

I think that is pretty ignorant. For most white collar professions where people can simply work from home, it may be a slight inconvenience, if not a benefit. But I don’t think that applies to the small business owners out there or people that have lost their jobs due to suffocating government mandates. On top of that, these suffocating mandates are only installed because of the government’s incompetence in the first place failing to address hospital capacity, which was an issue years prior to the pandemic. Calling that a mere inconvenience is quite the slap in the face.

Again, a consistent problem I’ve been seeing is that people are failing to listen to any other perspectives. You’ve spent enough time here and have been exposed to enough contrasting opinions to understand this. Not sure why after all this time there are those that still act condescending towards people who are anti-lockdown and generalize them as self-entitled cooks.

 

[justashadowof]

saw this on twitter thought pretty applicable for this thread given ontario lockdown

It sure does capture the spirit of effete condescension and snark perfectly. The aposomatic colour was a good choice too. It's just missing the premature cellulite.

 

[PromisedLand]

 

[PromisedLand]

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/ontario-confirms-first-cases-covid19-uk-variant-1.5855361

 

[The Hanging Jowl]

Pretty sure I have all of the people I needed on ignore ignored at this point. The thread is easy listening at this point. Recommend others do the same.

 

[Kiwi]

saw this on twitter thought pretty applicable for this thread given ontario lockdown

I lost my job
Had to change provinces and occupations
Had to Pull my kids out of the schools they were in
My misses and kids had to leave they're friend groups and extended family
Had a period of extreme financial hardship
My cousins wife missed cancer screenings during lockdown
My friend had a stroke because he couldn't get a dental appointment during lockdown
The removal of rights and civil liberties during lockdown


All of that may seem like an inconvenience to some but might i suggest those people are absolute ****wits who dont have to deal with that type of stuff like the plebs do

 

[Pink Mist]

Pretty sure I have all of the people I needed on ignore ignored at this point. The thread is easy listening at this point. Recommend others do the same.

This is rich coming from someone who in previous threads emphasized the need to listen to all perspectives and complained about echo chambers on twitter and the MSM

 

[Pink Mist]

I lost my job
Had to change provinces and occupations
Had to Pull my kids out of the schools they were in
My misses and kids had to leave they're friend groups and extended family
Had a period of extreme financial hardship
My cousins wife missed cancer screenings during lockdown
My friend had a stroke because he couldn't get a dental appointment during lockdown
The removal of rights and civil liberties during lockdown


All of that may seem like an inconvenience to some but might i suggest those people are absolute ****wits who dont have to deal with that type of stuff like the plebs do

Sounds like a real story that totally happened

 

[nsleaf]

I think that is pretty ignorant. For most white collar professions where people can simply work from home, it may be a slight inconvenience, if not a benefit. But I don’t think that applies to the small business owners out there or people that have lost their jobs due to suffocating government mandates. On top of that, these suffocating mandates are only installed because of the government’s incompetence in the first place failing to address hospital capacity, which was an issue years prior to the pandemic. Calling that a mere inconvenience is quite the slap in the face.

Again, a consistent problem I’ve been seeing is that people are failing to listen to any other perspectives. You’ve spent enough time here and have been exposed to enough contrasting opinions to understand this. Not sure why after all this time there are those that still act condescending towards people who are anti-lockdown and generalize them as self-entitled cooks.

"self entitled cooks", nothing but half baked ideas.

 

[Kiwi]

Sounds like a real story that totally happened

Because as we all know, lockdown has no adverse consequences because it's just a minor inconvenience

 

[PromisedLand]

Here, big businesses are getting millions and millions, art galleries are getting funds, etc....but the working stiff is getting very little.
Evil doers are being very greedy and, evil.

To be frank what kind of small businesses are being impacted? We know restaurants is one of them but what others?

- Most of the middle to lower middle class population shop at "less costly" businesses like Ikea and Walmart anyway to begin with because they are relatively cheaper

- Most of the people I know used to buy stuff off of Amazon even before pandemic began; so its not new to be honest

- Besides restaurants which business is being impacted?

Movie theatres? they were probably on the way out anyway given online streaming;
Plays/Muscals etc... what proportion of middle class and lower middle class even go to them? I personally have zero interest in going to plays/musicals

- Sports? (i dont much care about millionaires not getting to "play" a sport)

It might be my lack of knowledge; but what other small businesses are being impacted?

 

[DaWatcher]

saw this on twitter thought pretty applicable for this thread given ontario lockdown

Probably created by an over-educated public servant or a champagne socialist university student with lots of time on his/her/Xer's hands.

 

[Crazy Monkey]

Not only that
Amplifying a PCR test that was never meant to diagnose
And listing all members of a household as a case to make the numbers look bigger than they are,

Yes it's an inconvenience some people can't pay their f***ing bills or feed their f***ing kids
An inconvenience lol

PCR is used to diagnose many respirstory infections including influenza. Not sure what you're saying with your statement there. Let me guess- 70% false positive rate??

I'd also like to know where that claim of inflation of numbers based on household contacts is coming from...

 

[PromisedLand]

Lots of reasons for financial difficulties such as low paying jobs, disability ect.. but I think we also have a problem with financial literacy in this country.

No emergency accounts, no emergency line of credit?

non-essential bills like a new iPhone with 20gb plan, big screen tv with $150 a month cable, two cars leased, Netflix, crave, ect,

I listen to Dave Ramsey and though hes not for everyone he makes you realize how those aren't essential items. 4 years ago I was massively in debt because I couldn't say no to a night out with friends, getting the newest phone, vacationing. Started to realize how its not sustainable. I cut back and tackled my debt and am now slowly increasing my wants such as a new computer or phone.

People seem to think that everyones entitled to a middle-upper income lifestyle when that's not the case.

Now if you really cannot afford the basics that is a societal problem like I mentioned at the beginning but we have to make sure the two are separate (societal problems and financial literacy problems)


***Pre-covid this entire debate started to become an issue because as crazy as it sounds 1 year ago people were struggling to pay their bills because we raised the interest rate .25! I couldn't believe the amount of people that said that tiny increase was going to swamp them. Weird to think only a year ago people were complaining that the bank of Canada was raising interest rates too fast.

Yup!!!!!!!!!!!

Bank of Canada has been warning about Canadian household debt; everybody wants to live huge lifestyle eventhough they can't afford it; and this is a lot before pandemic like years before. It is a JOKE that Canadian household debt is a lot of higher than US.

EDIT
For context

article form 2017
Canada's household debt levels higher than any other country, report says

2018 report by Bank of Canada
Canada’s Economy and Household Debt: How Big Is the Problem?

New report from June 2020
https://www.cbc.ca/news/business/statistics-canada-debt-1.5609510

Also, I am glad that the new Ontario education curriculum will include financial literacy for all, and will also include programming from very early on. STEM field is the future and it is good that kids are going to be trained into it much sooner. The so called "cool" population (every generation has them) may end up being sidelined if they don't get their act together

 

[Nineteen67]

To be frank what kind of small businesses are being impacted? We know restaurants is one of them but what others?

- Most of the middle to lower middle class population shop at "less costly" businesses like Ikea and Walmart anyway to begin with because they are relatively cheaper

- Most of the people I know used to buy stuff off of Amazon even before pandemic began; so its not new to be honest

- Besides restaurants which business is being impacted?

Movie theatres? they were probably on the way out anyway given online streaming;
Plays/Muscals etc... what proportion of middle class and lower middle class even go to them? I personally have zero interest in going to plays/musicals

- Sports? (i dont much care about millionaires not getting to "play" a sport)

It might be my lack of knowledge; but what other small businesses are being impacted?

I’ll keep it to sports. What about the ushers, the hotdog vendor, the security guards? They can’t work, and should be helped. Tom Brady and Gisele Bundchen received ~2 million last go while the ticket takers are getting stiffed. Take a peak at the unemployment rates in the states that shutdown while the rich keep chugging along.

 

[stealth1]

I’ll keep it to sports. What about the ushers, the hotdog vendor, the security guards? They can’t work, and should be helped. Tom Brady and Gisele Bundchen received ~2 million last go while the ticket takers are getting stiffed. Take a peak at the unemployment rates in the states that shutdown while the rich keep chugging along.

Its sad what's happening to a lot of people losing their jobs. Here at least they are trying their best to give financial aid to help them out.

 

[Nineteen67]

Its sad what's happening to a lot of people losing their jobs. Here at least they are trying their best to give financial aid to help them out.

Here they blatantly give it to their friends, which is why the President should have vetoed it as the last great thing he’s done for the people.
Were back to cronyism.

 

[PromisedLand]

I’ll keep it to sports. What about the ushers, the hotdog vendor, the security guards? They can’t work, and should be helped. Tom Brady and Gisele Bundchen received ~2 million last go while the ticket takers are getting stiffed. Take a peak at the unemployment rates in the states that shutdown while the rich keep chugging along.

If I am not mistaken there has been programs that is available to help them like CERB, EI etc...

Most of the "impact" is labour related in the example you gave. Rich people getting richer was the fact even before pandemic because they could supply products/services at much cheaper rates.

One thing to stop making rich richer is to stop giving them attention. If we the society as a whole stopped giving a flying "F" about football or models on magazines not spending money on it; how are these people going to get money? In the end, as @cbbb25 put it above; goal is to separate essentials from wants. If I don't watch sport that has Brady or buy the magazine that has Gizelle on it; I will still be able to survive and live.

The usher/security guards jobs are getting smaller and smaller with advent of technology. For example: the cashiers at McDonalds; slowly and steadily are being reduced due to self-serve electronic kiosks. Similarly, the cashiers/customer service help in the stores are going away with "self checkout" facilities i.e. technology replacing these jobs. Whenever I go to shoppers drug mart I just use the selfcheckout instead of going to the cashier unless I am buying giftcards

The proportion of population working as ushers, waiters, cooks, security guards etc... are relatively smaller if I am not mistaken; and the labour impact was being handled by govt. Unless recently, govt decided not to fund them anymore (i really dont know); then yea that is a problem if they do a shutdown without supplementing income for the folks that cant work

 

[PuckMagi]

Ya...they changed it to basically say that your antibodies aren't going to last but big pharma's will last. My wife had covid in early Jan and didn't get it from me in the middle of november...neither did my kids who also had it in January. This trust the science stuff only works if you consider science that has been used to treat and diagnose for many years...not make up as you go science that has no basis in fact. Out of the 60M people that have had covid only 4 people got it again...you have a better chance of getting struck by lighting while winning the lotto 6/49 than you do of getting covid again if you had it within the last year.

A lot more than 4 people have been reinfected.

 

[kgboomer]

Aside of restaurants, there are Hair/Beauty salon, barbershop, gyms, boutiques, all those leasing or renting spaces with no revenues because they're closed. Just inconvenience for customers, but it's a big hurt for them. That's why a lot of them are closing.

 

[stealth1]

Aside of restaurants, there are Hair/Beauty salon, barbershop, gyms, boutiques, all those leasing or renting spaces with no revenues because they're closed. Just inconvenience for customers, but it's a big hurt for them. That's why a lot of them are closing.

If that's the case why are we wasting tax payer money to give them help in covering costs if they are just going to shut their doors