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Coronavirus (COVID-19) Discussion Part VIII - The Long Winter is Here

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How long before Cruella Devilla gets sued and fired there in Toronto. Thats your public health Authoritarian’s new name i heard lol. She’s getting sued i hear.?
 
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stealth1 said:
I just came across a video about what Iceland did to fight Covid. I know some of what they did works cause they are an island and have a small population. What they did was test everyone, did contact tracing and made everyone that tested positive quarantine for 14 days. As far as tourism goes and people flying in, any one that flew into Iceland had to be tested upon arrival, isolate for 5 days and get tested again before going into the country.

Two things that were interesting from it was after testing everyone they found the main symptoms were muscle ache, dry cough and headaches. The other was that from contact tracing most of the spread was in households. Some were picking it up from work, hospitals or in public but then bringing it home and it spread there.

Iceland proves contact tracing works as well as self isolation. We should be testing each and everyone in Canada and anyone that tests positive must quarantine for 14 days. There should be no exemptions for anyone flying in regardless of your job. Why they can't test people flying in and do the same as Iceland is beyond me
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That makes sense. But the tough part would be trucking materials and food across the border. You would have to test the driver then hold the shipment up until they are cleared. If there was a test that worked well and could be done in hours then that would be a game changer.
 
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Korg said:
If she has/had property seized without a court order, there is a high probability of her/the city/province of being sued for loss of revenue.
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Ahhh ha thats what i was reading. It is believed she had no court order and if she doesn’t have the power to do a property takeover( which she doesn’t) they should go down hard.
 
After seeing a report of 2 people now on ventilators from Covid due to a gathering which included a few from the GTA, one of which had Covid, more and more I am starting to think we need to lockdown all of Ontario again.
 
Sens said:
haha
Nobody cares under 60... food banks are already overwhelmed
Shutdown everything and you will have riots
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I don't feel sorry for any of it. If people listened from the beginning we wouldn't be in this situation. Yes cases will rise with more people out but not enough people listen when it comes to private gatherings
 
stealth1 said:
I just came across a video about what Iceland did to fight Covid. I know some of what they did works cause they are an island and have a small population. What they did was test everyone, did contact tracing and made everyone that tested positive quarantine for 14 days. As far as tourism goes and people flying in, any one that flew into Iceland had to be tested upon arrival, isolate for 5 days and get tested again before going into the country.

Two things that were interesting from it was after testing everyone they found the main symptoms were muscle ache, dry cough and headaches. The other was that from contact tracing most of the spread was in households. Some were picking it up from work, hospitals or in public but then bringing it home and it spread there.

Iceland proves contact tracing works as well as self isolation. We should be testing each and everyone in Canada and anyone that tests positive must quarantine for 14 days. There should be no exemptions for anyone flying in regardless of your job. Why they can't test people flying in and do the same as Iceland is beyond me
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The problem is the population size...Iceland has a tiny population and probably a minuscule amount of travelers there. I think the way the Aussie did it was best. You want to go there..be prepared to stay in a hotel for 2 weeks...otherwise...stay away.
 
stealth1 said:
I don't feel sorry for any of it. If people listened from the beginning we wouldn't be in this situation. Yes cases will rise with more people out but not enough people listen when it comes to private gatherings
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that’s not going to change locking it down
Society has looked at the consequences and the vast majority has deemed getting covid worth the risk

The government lost its narrative keeping schools and offices open
 
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stealth1 said:
I don't feel sorry for any of it. If people listened from the beginning we wouldn't be in this situation. Yes cases will rise with more people out but not enough people listen when it comes to private gatherings
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It's a combo of things, what you're saying is true, people don't listen.

But the government also dropped the ball with mismanaging the entire thing from the beginning, and got ripped on it from the AG last week.

And this point can't be ignored, privileged folks here and in Europe are very, very, very stupid or selfish. Like people might claim they care about their fellow citizen(s), but the obviously don't.
 
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After seeing a report of 2 people now on ventilators from Covid due to a gathering which included a few from the GTA, one of which had Covid, more and more I am starting to think we need to lockdown all of Ontario again.
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Complete lock-down is not needed and won't work to slow infection, but people actually practicing safety protocols would be more effective instead of acting like these protocols are somehow an affront to their personal freedom.
 
stealth1 said:
I don't feel sorry for any of it. If people listened from the beginning we wouldn't be in this situation. Yes cases will rise with more people out but not enough people listen when it comes to private gatherings
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Chicken and egg argument, but are the restrictions put in place what is leading to this increase in private gatherings?
 
usernamezrhardtodo said:
The problem is the population size...Iceland has a tiny population and probably a minuscule amount of travelers there. I think the way the Aussie did it was best. You want to go there..be prepared to stay in a hotel for 2 weeks...otherwise...stay away.
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There are places with much larger populations than Ontario that get way less cases, like Japan, South Korea, Thailand, Vietnam...

Mask culture was huge for them, and we dropped the messaging on that from the very beginning.
 
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nsleaf said:
Complete lock-down is not needed and won't work to slow infection, but people actually practicing safety protocols would be more effective instead of acting like these protocols are somehow an affront to their personal freedom.
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I think it's time to start fining a lot more people and make example of more businesses that go against guidelines.
 
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X66 said:
There are places with much larger populations than Ontario that get way less cases, like Japan, South Korea, Thailand, Vietnam...

Mask culture was huge for them, and we dropped the messaging on that from the very beginning.
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I'll bet that the masks that Asians use are not some flimsy cloth ones with an Nike logo on them...that is the main difference IMO. We had mask mandates in ontario starting in July...but they never required surgical level masks (which are dirt cheap now btw)...had they done that we would be in a much better situation. I think masks work...but not all masks are the same...and before anyone bitches about the price of them...you can re-use a surgical mask just as much as a cloth one...they are meant to protect other people..not yourself...so you could re-use them if you wanted to get more bang for your buck.
 
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usernamezrhardtodo said:
I'll bet that the masks that Asians use are not some flimsy cloth ones with an Nike logo on them...that is the main difference IMO. We had mask mandates in ontario starting in July...but they never required surgical level masks (which are dirt cheap now btw)...had they done that we would be in a much better situation. I think masks work...but not all masks are the same...and before anyone bitches about the price of them...you can re-use a surgical mask just as much as a cloth one...they are meant to protect other people..not yourself...so you could re-use them if you wanted to get more bang for your buck.
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I agree with this.

I see a lot of people walking around with horrible masks, many of them already proven not to prevent anything.

And yes, you can use a surgical mask for up to 8 hours, which is a lot of time.
 
X66 said:
I agree with this.

I see a lot of people walking around with horrible masks, many of them already proven not to prevent anything.

And yes, you can use a surgical mask for up to 8 hours, which is a lot of time.
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You see this is what I get upset about...these 1/2 measures we take and are shocked they don't work as well as other countries. If you are going to copy someone...do it 100%...not this half assed pretending that we are doing something. I have stated this from the beginning...this virus is either a complete over reaction or it has lingering long term health issues that they don't want to freak everyone out about...I got in at the beginning of November and had mild flu symptoms...mostly just tired and 100F temp for 1 week...but 1 month later I am all of a sudden coughing up phlegm like crazy...no other issues...just this constant phlegm that you have to clear.
 
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stealth1 said:
Whats so funny?
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What you are suggesting is punitive - and actually more dangerous.

The Ministry of Public Health of British Columbia stated that there is absolutely no chance of being infected with Covid-19 if you are outdoors. They did a study that revealed how 80% of all infections happens inside homes. The rest take place in trains and buses.

'There is absolutely no evidence that this virus is present in the air and even if it was, our measures would not have worked. The overwhelming majority of covid-19 transmission occurs through close and prolonged personal contact.'

Dr. Reka Gustafson, Provincial Health Officer British Columbia​
 
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