Player Discussion: Conor Geekie

[DarrylshutzSydor]

And you coming up with laughably weak arguments and saying he should be a 3C doesn't make it so. The fact is that he's been a 2C on Tampa for several years now, so unless you're JBB or Cooper, I guess he's not moving.

Cirelli had 45 points last year, not 2nd line center numbers. Good two way 3rd line center.

 

[JTBF81]

Cirelli had 45 points last year, not 2nd line center numbers. Good two way 3rd line center.

So you've brought up last year and a terribly weak argument for this year. The facts are that he's at 21 points in 18 games, is playing great as the 2C, and has been and remains the 2C.

 

[DarrylshutzSydor]

So you've brought up last year and a terribly weak argument for this year. The facts are that he's at 21 points in 18 games, is playing great as the 2C, and has been and remains the 2C.

You sound like the Sharks fans who argued that Tomas Hertl was a number one center because they didn't have one and he was just playing #1 center.....Cirelli is a good two way 3rd line center.......

 

[JTBF81]

You sound like the Sharks fans who argued that Tomas Hertl was a number one center because they didn't have one and he was just playing #1 center.....Cirelli is a good two way 3rd line center.......

It's okay to be wrong, which you are. So many on here clamored how bad he was, not a 2C, should be moved etc. At least most have stopped that worthless narrative for now, but please continue your erroneous takes.

 

[Rschmitz]

He's absolutely been a complete blackhole for offense the last two years. That's an objective observation.

...and then Stamkos left and now he looks like a Selke finalist. Quite obvious at this point that Stamkos was an anchor, but Cirelli also needed the right linemates. Hagel and him need to be permanently stapled to one another.

 

[DarrylshutzSydor]

He's absolutely been a complete blackhole for offense the last two years. That's an objective observation.

...and then Stamkos left and now he looks like a Selke finalist. Quite obvious at this point that Stamkos was an anchor, but Cirelli also needed the right linemates. Hagel and him need to be permanently stapled to one another.

If TC can beat the Leafs in a playoff series this year, then I am sold......

 

[TampaIceman]

If TC can beat the Leafs in a playoff series this year, then I am sold......

Singlehandedly?

 

[JTBF81]

He's absolutely been a complete blackhole for offense the last two years. That's an objective observation.

...and then Stamkos left and now he looks like a Selke finalist. Quite obvious at this point that Stamkos was an anchor, but Cirelli also needed the right linemates. Hagel and him need to be permanently stapled to one another.

He actually improved last year offensively to 20 goals and 45 points. Granted it was a small improvement, but he's very capable as a 2C given his usual assignments and defensive play as well.

If TC can beat the Leafs in a playoff series this year, then I am sold......

Except they already have won 2 cups and beaten the Leafs in a playoff series with Cirelli as 2C, but okay....

 

[Lightning1995]

Cirelli is playing excellent. Having Hagel stapled to his line really helps

 

[TheDaysOf 04]

Through the first 20 NHL games of his career Geekie has 3 goals, 3 assists, 6 points

For comparison here's some other players through their first 20 games who were 19 or 20 years old

Brett Connolly: 4 goals + 3 assists = 7 points
Connolly made his NHL debut at age 19. He started off well, but after 20 games he started to hit his rookie wall. Yzerman sent him away from the team to play in the World Juniors, and he would score 0 goals, and 8 assists through the remaining 48 games of his rookie season.

Jonathan Drouin: 1 goal + 10 assists = 11 points
Drouin - another 19 year old that Yzerman kept on the Bolts because he was too good for juniors, but not old enough for the AHL. 11 points in his first 20 games, but only 4 goals in 70 games his whole rookie year. His 28 assists though are one of the more productive numbers by a Lightning rookie in franchise history even with bottom line minutes next to guys like Brian Boyle, Brendan Morrow, JT Brown, and rookies Ceddy Paquette, and Vladdy Namestnikov

Nikita Kucherov: 6 goals + 3 assists = 9 points (nov- jan)
20 years old like Geekie, but Kucherov did not make his NHL debut until Nov 25th after spending the first 17 games in Syracuse.

Anthony Cirelli: 5 goals + 6 assists = 11 points (18 games)
Like Kucherov, Cirelli didn't start right out of training camp, not making his debut until March 1st, spending the first 51 games of the year in Syracuse. His 11 points with the Bolts are in the Bolts final 18 games down the stretch which you could argue are much harder than a team's first 18 games in October and November.

Brayden Point: 2 goals + 5 assists = 7 points
20 years old, right out of camp, getting some top 6 minutes and pp time to start - this is probably the most similar experience to Geekie's. Only 2 goals to start the year, but he finishes with 18 goals in 68 games

 

[Rschmitz]

Aside from points, he's doing a lot of little things better that probably aren't being noticed. I still wouldn't ask him to shadow a skilled player in space, but his awareness is getting there.

He's got the tools to be a monster on the forecheck and along the boards, right now he's just holding his head above water. Playing with Hagel and Cirelli, I hope he starts to absorb some of that. He's got the shot to compliment those two.

 

[OffBy1]

... So many on here clamored how bad he was, not a 2C, should be moved etc. At least most have stopped that worthless narrative for now, but please continue your erroneous takes.

The position that Cirelli not playing up to his contract or producing like a #2C was valid every year until this one. Last year was his career best with 45 points which put him as the 67th most productive center in the league - third line center territory. In 6 seasons, he only scored more than 40 points three times.

He had been underwhelming offensively, but good defensively, for six straight seasons which is why people said he's more of a good 3C than a 2C. What you call a "worthless narrative" was an accurate assessment.

It's taken 7 seasons to find someone he has great chemistry with in Hagel, a player who excelled with Point and Kucherov - I don't think that's a small part of the equation. But credit where it's due, Cirelli looks like a different player, shooting with accuracy and confidence, currently with a shoot % of 23.7, well above his career average. Engblom has talked about him practicing with Kucherov this offseason, that apparently has made a difference as well.

I welcome his emergence as it's far exceeding what I would have ever thought possible. I missed the predictions on the forum this year where everyone but "the haters" were saying he'd be on pace for 37 goals and 90 points through 20 games.

 

[JTBF81]

The position that Cirelli not playing up to his contract or producing like a #2C was valid every year until this one. Last year was his career best with 45 points which put him as the 67th most productive center in the league - third line center territory. In 6 seasons, he only scored more than 40 points three times.

He had been underwhelming offensively, but good defensively, for six straight seasons which is why people said he's more of a good 3C than a 2C. What you call a "worthless narrative" was an accurate assessment.

It's taken 7 seasons to find someone he has great chemistry with in Hagel, a player who excelled with Point and Kucherov - I don't think that's a small part of the equation. But credit where it's due, Cirelli looks like a different player, shooting with accuracy and confidence, currently with a shoot % of 23.7, well above his career average. Engblom has talked about him practicing with Kucherov this offseason, that apparently has made a difference as well.

I welcome his emergence as it's far exceeding what I would have ever thought possible. I missed the predictions on the forum this year where everyone but "the haters" were saying he'd be on pace for 37 goals and 90 points through 20 games.

There has always been far more to hos game than points scored. He was slightly overpaid by 500-750k perhaps, but he has always been a solid enough 2C for the team. Plenty on here thought moving him was the correct move this past summer, but as I and a few others argued, Sergachev was the clear player to go. Even now, some on here think trading him would be a good idea, which is something else, even for the usual "we'll blame Cirelli when things go badly" crowd. Many had already turned him into this year's scapegoat before the season even started, but now most will have to find someone else (aside from one or two who are still hilariously pinning any Lightning failure on him).

I was hoping for 55-60 points on average moving ahead, and who knows where he'll end up, but it's been fairly clear that management and the coaching staff believed in his game and abilities despite not hitting certain point totals. While no one expected what his pace has been so far, he does seem to be taking another step forward with the offensive side of his game. Hopefully, this will continue, but even if he regressed a little, he appears to be locked in as the 2C for at least several more seasons. For the minority on here who did think he was worth keeping and had this level in him, it's great to see.