Rumor: Conor Garland Contract / Trade Rumors (UPD: Coyotes are "very much trying to move")

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Lots of very valuable 500 companies are having cash flow concerns. COVID has wrecked havoc on the economy.

Yeah, and unless someone of you secretly are a multibillionaire wanting to take over, I would suggest bashing on the Coyotes owner should be left to all the other boards. I am sure they do that already.
 

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It is interesting that since the Suns are winning you never hear the name Sarver, if the Yotes ever make the playoffs and go on a run we will never hear about the owner. It is all about Armstrong being able to remake the team. I suspect that my medicare card will arrive in September 2.5 years from now before we see the playoffs again.
 

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Does ownership actually have deep pockets, though? I'm not convinced.

As for Garland, he's by far my favorite Coyote, but I'm curious to see what he'd be able to do on a team that, you know, actually protects guys like him.
What makes you think they dont have deep pockets? I am not trying to troll...genuinely asking.
 

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What makes you think they dont have deep pockets? I am not trying to troll...genuinely asking.

There is a difference between having enough assets on paper to secure financing to keep the team afloat and having so much cashflow that you can just light it on fire in pure pursuit of a championship.

Meruelo definitely falls in the former category.
 
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There is a difference between having enough assets on paper to secure financing to keep the team afloat and having so much cashflow that you can just light it on fire in pure pursuit of a championship.

Meruelo definitely falls in the former category.
You don't have a clue about Meruelo's finances.
 
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We're worrying too much about Meruelo's liquidity. He got the team and injected money and stability we've lacked for decades. 1 year later, a world pandemic hits. It doesn't matter if you believe the economy should have been shit down, the fact is it was and that had a negative impact on a HUGE list of companies revenue generation. There's going to be a recovery time and given what we know about Meruelo's portfolio, he will need some time to recover. So long as other factors don't inhibit the US economy (resurgence of Covid in new forms, huge inflation concerns, stock market crash and so on), we can and likely will be a cap team in the next 5 years.

I'm much less concerned now than I will be if we are seeing the same in 3-4 years.
 

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Lots of very valuable 500 companies are having cash flow concerns. COVID has wrecked havoc on the economy.
The S&P 500, Dow and Nasdaq all closed with record highs today. Unemployment dropped to 5.9% down from nearly 15% just over a year ago.

Corporate America’s in very good shape.
 
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We're worrying too much about Meruelo's liquidity. He got the team and injected money and stability we've lacked for decades. 1 year later, a world pandemic hits. It doesn't matter if you believe the economy should have been shit down, the fact is it was and that had a negative impact on a HUGE list of companies revenue generation. There's going to be a recovery time and given what we know about Meruelo's portfolio, he will need some time to recover. So long as other factors don't inhibit the US economy (resurgence of Covid in new forms, huge inflation concerns, stock market crash and so on), we can and likely will be a cap team in the next 5 years.

I'm much less concerned now than I will be if we are seeing the same in 3-4 years.

Freudian slip?
 

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Woof. If we are retaining on OEL and/or adding Garland I want some significant returns. Unfortunately Boston really doesn't have pieces that are that interesting to me.
DeBrusk feels like a must.
Carlo would be fantastic but they are already hurting on the blueline.
Studnika feels like a must.
I'd also ask for 22 and 23 picks. Boston could run into some goalie issues so I'd rather take the dart throw that they are worst the next two seasons than their 21 1st.

I just don't like Boston as a partner to dump all of our trade chips into.
I would like to say they will but I think w the way Swayman looked this year and the possibility of Rask coming back for a year or two to mentor him I doubt they have that many issues w goaltending.

One piece of note w acquiring Carlo is that he get's hurt. Look at the last two playoff runs for the Bruins, guess who's been missing later in the playoffs? A history of head injuries as well so oof
 

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Yeah, and unless someone of you secretly are a multibillionaire wanting to take over, I would suggest bashing on the Coyotes owner should be left to all the other boards. I am sure they do that already.

What makes you think they dont have deep pockets? I am not trying to troll...genuinely asking.

Not bashing the owner. All I'm saying is that, according to Forbes Magazine -- who, by the way, is the leading authority of measuring net worth of the wealthy, Alex Meruelo is not worth even $1B (which is half of what Meruelo says he is worth). Here, you can see for yourself:

Real Time Billionaires .
I personally think this discrepancy is strange.

You don't have a clue about Meruelo's finances.

Neither do you Jakey, or anyone else here (including me!!). I put a stake in the sand a few days ago, got great constructive feedback from other posters (thx everyone) which included accurate sources e.g., other press notes saying he was worth up to $14B from places like espn. That's how you make an argument!!! So, thx everybody.

At the time, I was just bringing up the point (rightly so I believe) bc it seemed like we were all assuming this guy is liquid enough to indefinitely eat tens of millions of dollars in operating losses per year -- I personally am not convinced although I do hope he can, especially depending how long it takes for fans to come back. After listening to all of your points, my conclusion now is that we really don't know, maybe Meruelo is liquid enough to fund significant operating losses but maybe not. Yes, my view has changed from "he is probably broke" to "we don't really know" based on all the great points you all made. And that is a good thing, I think.

Obviously I hope he is liquid enough to competently support the team (that goes beyond saying), but I personally am not entirely sure. Time will tell
 

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Not bashing the owner. All I'm saying is that, according to Forbes Magazine -- who, by the way, is the leading authority of measuring net worth of the wealthy, Alex Meruelo is not worth even $1B (which is half of what Meruelo says he is worth). Here, you can see for yourself:

Real Time Billionaires .
I personally think this discrepancy is strange.



Neither do you Jakey, or anyone else here (including me!!). I put a stake in the sand a few days ago, got great constructive feedback from other posters (thx everyone) which included accurate sources e.g., other press notes saying he was worth up to $14B from places like espn. That's how you make an argument!!! So, thx everybody.

At the time, I was just bringing up the point (rightly so I believe) bc it seemed like we were all assuming this guy is liquid enough to indefinitely eat tens of millions of dollars in operating losses per year -- I personally am not convinced although I do hope he can, especially depending how long it takes for fans to come back. After listening to all of your points, my conclusion now is that we really don't know, maybe Meruelo is liquid enough to fund significant operating losses but maybe not. Yes, my view has changed from "he is probably broke" to "we don't really know" based on all the great points you all made. And that is a good thing, I think.

Obviously I hope he is liquid enough to competently support the team (that goes beyond saying), but I personally am not entirely sure. Time will tell
Took you this long to come to this conclusion?
 

PainForShane

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Took you this long to come to this conclusion?

Yes, it did. And I honestly wouldn't have without some of the pushback from these boards.

Still, better than automatically assuming Meruelo has tons of money to burn like many other posters assumed (which was basically becoming consensus, wrongly so I still think). Imo we absolutely do not know Meruelo's finances and personally there's enough contradictory evidence that I feel very strange taking a strong stand (for the moment anyway)
 

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The guy who is withholding rent and won't allow the team to expense OT pizza is probably not going to spend to the cap in a rebuilding year. Pretty safe assumption, especially with Craig reporting an internal budget under 70m.
 

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