Connor McDavid will go down as the 2nd best player of all-time

[Gurglesons]

...because their HOF goalie put up a .960 in the final two games to win them games 6 and 7 by himself.

I don't get what's so hard to understand about HOF goalie vs Stuart Skinner

I'm not sure you are experienced in the art of having Marc Andre Fleury as your starting goaltender.

Fleury had a .900, .895, and .762 in his three losses in the SCF too.

Weird how a goalie has good SV% in his wins and bad SV% in his losses, isn't it...

 

[GreatGonzo]

I don't know why people still push this narrative. McDavid usually gets to play next to Draisaitl and Hyman, while Crosby's linemates during the 2009 Cup run were Kunitz and Guerin. Malkin's linemates during the 2009 Cup run were Talbot and Fedotenko.

Where is this "extra help" Crosby gets that McDavid doesn't? Everyone likes to point at pure production, but refuses to acknowledge it's going to be easier to put up points if you've got Draisaitl/Hyman on your flanks rather than Kunitz/Guerin or Talbot/Fedotenko.

McDavid's literally got a 50+ goal guy and a 100+ point guy on both his wings and there's still talk about him not getting enough help. Maybe permanently split up McDavid and Draisaitl and suddenly they'd have the depth to rival Crosby and Malkin playing on two different lines?

The same Pens team that carried Crosby in the finals with secondary scoring and strong goaltending? Ya what bums. Crosby was hardly a factor in that series, yet the team won in 7.

So basically, there’s no point in having a 50 goal scorer or another 100 point scorer if they don’t bother to show up. Pretty self explanatory

 

[Gurglesons]

The same Pens team that carried Crosby in the finals with secondary scoring and strong goaltending? Ya what bums. Crosby was hardly a factor in that series, yet the team won in 7.

So basically, there’s no point in having a 50 goal scorer or another 100 point scorer if they don’t bother to show up. Pretty self explanatory

Nobody in the Edmonton top six has a goal. Connor is being carried by his depth if this is your reasoning.

 

[bambamcam4ever]

...because their HOF goalie put up a .960 in the final two games to win them games 6 and 7 by himself.

I don't get what's so hard to understand about HOF goalie vs Stuart Skinner

No. The Penguins collective defense shut down the Red Wings in games 6 and 7. Fleury was a part but not the biggest part.

 

[WetcoastOrca]

You criticize stat watching but the entire crux of your argument is based solely on stats instead of paying attention to his on ice play. McDavid is not disappearing in these games, he's definitely creating offensive opportunities and almost led a successful comeback last game. Bobrovsky has been unbelievable this series, and guys like Draisaitl simply haven't shown up. McDavid could be a bit better, but he's not part of the problem.

A bit better? This thread is about him being the second best player of all time.
That’s an exclusive club. He’s had a disappointing series and I say this as someone who really has a lot of respect for McDavid.

 

[GreatGonzo]

Nobody in the Edmonton top six has a goal. Connor is being carried by his depth if this is your reasoning.

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and they have scored 4 goals total, McDavid assisting on 3 of them…but sure, “carried.”

also, McDavid is leading his team In points. Crosby had 1 assist through the first 3 games I. ‘09 and the team had only scored 6 goals.

 

[Gurglesons]

and they have scored 4 goals total, McDavid assisting on 3 of them…but sure, “carried.”

also, McDavid is leading his team In points. Crosby had 1 assist through the first 3 games I. ‘09 and the team had only scored 6 goals.

Then Crosby put the team on his back in G4.

Hopefully McDavid can do the same one day for the purpose of his legacy.

 

[GreatGonzo]

No. The Penguins collective defense shut down the Red Wings in games 6 and 7. Fleury was a part but not the biggest part.

Fleury had a .960 through the last 2 games of that series and only had 2 goals against. Give credit where credit is due.

 

[GreatGonzo]

Then Crosby put the team on his back in G4 and G5.

Hopefully McDavid can do the same one day for the purpose of his legacy.

Well no, Crosby had a goal and assists in game 4 and then the team got shut out In game. So no, he didn’t put anymore on his back in those games. Nice try though.

And for reference. In game 6 and 7, Crosby had 0 points and was a -1. Is that “putting the team on his back” as well?

 

[Gurglesons]

Well no, Crosby had a goal and assists in game 4 and then the team got shut out In game. So no, he didn’t put anymore on his back in those games. Nice try though.

And for reference. In game 6 and 7, Crosby had 0 points and was a -1. Is that “putting the team on his back” as well?

If we are using McDavid having a couple assists as evidence, sure.

Crosby dominated that series as much as McDavid has this one.

 

[Montreal Shadow]

McDavid in these finals has looked better than Crosby has at any point in his career in the postseason. He literally has the same amount of points that Crosby had in 7 games when he got his first cup, except McDavid has played 3 games and has ran into one of the best goaltending performances in recent history. The Oiler have 1 goal with McDavid off the ice, meaning 100% of the attention can go to trying to stop him as nobody else is doing anything.

By "recent history", you mean 2021 when both Price and Vasilievsky were better than this Bob this year?

The first part of your post is so hilariously incorrect it’s not even worth addressing.

 

[Gurglesons]

The weird thing is I think McDavid is a better individual contributor than Crosby and was expecting this SCF to be an absolute powerhouse performance from him.

 

[eviohh26]

Getting swept in his only finals and putting up a dud will be used against him big time.

 

[GreatGonzo]

If we are using McDavid having a couple assists as evidence, sure.

Crosby dominated that series as much as McDavid has this one.

You just said Crosby “put the team on his back” on games 4 and 5, which is insanely false.

“Dominated”
7-1-2-3 -3
3-0-3-3 0

Sure, bud.

 

[Gurglesons]

You just said Crosby “put the team on his back” on games 4 and 5, which is insanely false.

“Dominated”
7-1-2-3 -3
3-0-3-3 0

Sure, bud.

Sorry, I did mean game 3 and 4.

Crosby was an absolute force in the two crucial games in that series.

McDavid was solid last night, but sadly couldn't score a goal.

 

[GreatGonzo]

Sorry, I did mean game 3 and 4.

Crosby was an absolute force in the two crucial games in that series.

McDavid was solid last night, but sadly couldn't score a goal.

Wouldn’t say an “absolute force.” The team overall did great. They scored 8 goals in those 2 games. Malkin had 3 assists in game 3 while Talbot scored 2 goals. Game 4, probably his best game, where Malkin still had a goal and assist.

 

[Gurglesons]

Wouldn’t say an “absolute force.” The team overall did great. They scored 8 goals in those 2 games. Malkin had 3 assists in game 3 while Talbot scored 2 goals. Game 4, probably his best game, where Malkin still had a goal and assist.

I mean this is a silly revisionist take from a noted Crosby hater.

Crosby totally flipped that series and was crucially involved in G4 when it got blown wide open.

Crosby's line mates were also set up for 32 shots and Crosby had 16 in that finals. They scored 0 goals and Sid scored one.

 

[JPeeper]

McDavid will go down as the 2nd best player of all time...




to never win a Cup.

 

[Three On Zero]

McDavid will go down as the 2nd best player of all time...




to never win a Cup.

And the best player of all time


To rank behind Crosby

 

[GreatGonzo]

I mean this is a silly revisionist take from a noted Crosby hater.

Crosby totally flipped that series and was crucially involved in G4 when it got blown wide open.

Crosby's line mates were also set up for 32 shots and Crosby had 16 in that finals. They scored 0 goals and Sid scored one.

Ironic you’re calling my version a “revision of history” with your claims in the last couple of posts. Also, love being called a “Crosby hater.” Doesn’t make you any less correct, but go off.

Yes, Crosby…all by himself, totally flipped the series that game….only to then not to shit for the last 3…maybe look up what “revision” means if your going to try to use it.

 

[Gurglesons]

Ironic you’re calling my version a “revision of history” with your claims in the last couple of posts. Also, love being called a “Crosby hater.” Doesn’t make you any less correct, but go off.

Yes, Crosby…all by himself, totally flipped the series that game….only to then not to shit for the last 3…maybe look up what “revision” means if your going to try to use it.

Sounds a lot like the “neutral fans” who said Kessel deserved the Smythe in 15-16.

Crosby was absolutely huge in G4 for the 09 Penguins which was the game that flipped the narrative.

 

[ozzie]

You are not sure if it hurts or helps. Let me help you, it hurts, a lot.

I wasn’t sure how others, the masses or historians would feel. I’m with you, I feel it hurts and keeps him out of the top echelon of players.

 

[GreatGonzo]

Sounds a lot like the “neutral fans” who said Kessel deserved the Smythe in 15-16.

Crosby was absolutely huge in G4 for the 09 Penguins which was the game that flipped the narrative.

Is that really that crazy of a take? There is a reason why the voting was so close and many here feel Kessel, even Murray and Letang, all had just as much of a shot to win it. So what’s your point?

You can keep saying that, doesn't make it factual. But good for you for trying.

 

[wetcoast]

He’s at best the second best forward in the Finals. That has to hurt his legacy. It’s one thing to lose to a better team but if he’s the best player then you can at least say his team let him down. Zero goals in 3 games just isn’t good enough imo.

Zero goals big deal, he is still driving the play 5 on 5 at an elite level and anyone watching can see this.

He has also been in on 3 of the 4 Oiler goals this series and one could make the argument that he has been the best forward this series just not on the better all around team.

But sure strictly stat watching isn't a great way to come to any conclusions in any 3 game sample.

Barkov, the top forward Conn smythe contender for the Panthers has exactly 1 more goal.

 

[crowfish]

And the best player of all time


To rank behind Crosby

Crosby in the top 5 ranking ahead of McDavid doesn't quite sit right

Gretzky - far and away the best player of his era
Lemieux - far and away the best player of his era
Orr - far and away the best player of his era
Howe - far and away the best player of his era
Crosby - lost the Art Ross to Jamie Benn in his prime?
McDavid - far and away the best player of his era

Seems like he would be a bit out of place