Connor McDavid has literally twice as many points as Auston Matthews

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They could be entirely true, but has nothing to do with the fact that although Matthews was always a lethal scorer, his numbers spiked with Marner, and support without him and the fact that Marner provides ever single linemate with career season type stats.

Yes, Marner is that good. Could you imagine how many goals McDavid would score playing with Marner! Well, we probably see that in three years from now and McDavid comes home to Toronto.

 

[Kairi Zaide]

Like being on the ice for 10 more 5x5 goals against than McDavid in 7 fewer games? Wow, what stout defense. Give him the Selke now!

Defensive play is where "expected" analytics are more valuable when it comes to "what happened" because it HELPS isolate for goaltending performance. In this case, Jack Campbell mainly. The same thing is basically happening with McDavid this very season.

When it comes to offense, elite players are typically going to outperform expected for metrics.

As a result, if I'm looking at, say, a RAPM chart, I'll typically give most importance to the GF/60 and xGA/60 bars (about equal importance, maybe slightly more to GF/60 for forwards and slightly more to xGA/60 for dmen), followed by the xGF/60 bar, then there's a gap, and then there's the CA/60 and finally the CF/60.

(For the record, Matthews was also on the ice for 15 more goals at 5v5 than McDavid last season in 7 fewer games)

 

[koyvoo]

o rly?

 

[Claypool]

He's a good player

 

[koyvoo]

Yes, Marner is that good. Could you imagine how many goals McDavid would score playing with Marner! Well, we probably see that in three years from now and McDavid comes home to Toronto.

I’d love to see that. Two real leaders on the leafs would be great.

 

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I’d love to see that. Two real leaders on the leafs would be great.

It will Happen. Take that to the bank.

 

[Dempsey]

Players have off seasons sometimes. I expect Matthews will score 50+ next year, he's just too good to keep down for very long.

 

[Garbageyuk]

Wow, talk about a thread of insecurity.

Are you upset Matthews is the reigning Rocket, Hart and Ted Lindsay winner?

Matthews has also missed games this year due to injury.

That said, yes, it's obvious McDavid has been having a better year than Matthews. So has Marner and Nylander this year.

This post is the online equivalent of retaliating against someone who just slapped the shit out of you by attacking them with a pool noodle.

 

[koyvoo]

It will Happen. Take that to the bank.

I’d love it especially for Marner. I’ve been praising him here for years. Thankfully most are starting to see his true impact and value on his teammates.

 

[GrumpyKoala]

Hyman have more goal...

 

[KirkAlbuquerque]

LITERALLY

Mcdavid shouldn’t accept the mvp trophy this year, after they stole his trophy last year

Matthews had a better year, doesn't mean hes the better player. Hall deserved the hart in whatever year he won but nobody thought he was the best player in the world

 

[Garbageyuk]

MODS

 

[Hynh]

Defensive play is where "expected" analytics are more valuable when it comes to "what happened" because it HELPS isolate for goaltending performance. In this case, Jack Campbell mainly. The same thing is basically happening with McDavid this very season.

When it comes to offense, elite players are typically going to outperform expected for metrics.

As a result, if I'm looking at, say, a RAPM chart, I'll typically give most importance to the GF/60 and xGA/60 bars (about equal importance, maybe slightly more to GF/60 for forwards and slightly more to xGA/60 for dmen), followed by the xGF/60 bar, then there's a gap, and then there's the CA/60 and finally the CF/60.

You'll never convince me that playing in front of Mikko Koskinen to your numbers is a benefit in any way.

 

[SI90]

The guy is the greatest hockey talent on earth. Are McDavid fans really this sensitive? LoL

Weird thread

 

[LeafsandSharksfan]

Carried by marner tbh

Bold but currently accurate.

 

[CpatainCanuck]

We have to remember the intangible category of intangibles. Matthews may do many things that cannot be measured or described that McDavid doesn’t.

Think Toews 2.0.

 

[Kairi Zaide]

You'll never convince me that playing in front of Mikko Koskinen to your numbers is a benefit in any way.

It isn't. Playing in front of a Campbell/Mrazek duet is worse though; I'd take the Koskinen/Smith combo of last year over those two. At least Smith was okay.

 

[Satoru Gojo]

What happened to Matthews? Is he playing injured because he looks nothing like the guy from the last couple of years

 

[ORRFForever]

That kid is something else.

The best player in the league by a country mile.

 

[shibbiness]

Oilers fans had these threads loaded up and ready. Can't blame em. HF Boards on a Wednesday night is as fun as it gets up there.

 

[Aaaaaaaaaaaaa]

It will Happen. Take that to the bank.

The blood bank.

If you know, you know.

 

[OilerTyler]

Oilers fans had these threads loaded up and ready. Can't blame em. HF Boards on a Wednesday night is as fun as it gets up there.

OP isn't even an Oilers fan

 

[snipes]

McDavid is so far and away the best player in the world

 

[thaman8765678]

He has more playoff series wins than Matthews too. With a far inferior team over the years.

 

[ohheyhemsky]

Matthews at 60 points.
McDavid at 52 goals.