Connor McDavid has literally twice as many points as Auston Matthews

[SPLBRUIN]

McDavid is in a league of his own, there are plenty of players in this league better then Mathews.

 

[Aaaaaaaaaaaaa]

The Hart isn't supposed to be awarded to the best player. It's supposed to be awarded to the best/most valuable (each voter will have their own definition) for strictly one given season. McDavid wasn't stolen at all last year - what Matthews accomplished, both offensively and defensively, was quite extraordinary and absolutely worthy of the MVP title. Playoffs, prior or subsequent season performances - those all hold 0 value.

It was one of the greatest analytics season since 07-08 (aka "analytics history"), if not the best - until McDavid happened this year.

I was personally less upset about the Hart than the Lindsay.

 

[Maplebeasts]

Yeah the better player has more points. How insecure are you people?

 

[leafsfan5]

I mean yeah, McDavid is better

But Matthews literally doesn't shoot wrist shots anymore, something is off with him

 

[Mez]

You just knew a thread like this would pop up during a Oilers vs Leafs game.

 

[Kairi Zaide]

Dumb answer. If the Hart is just for the nicest narrative, why does it have any historical value? If that's how you're going to vote for it, it joins the Messier and Calder trophies in the garbage can.

This is ironic considering you completely missed the ball on your understanding of my post.

Nowhere did I mention that Matthews strictly won because "woah nice narrative". What I'm saying is basically that Matthews has a lot of strong supporting elements justifying his win.

 

[koyvoo]

I mean yeah, McDavid is better

But Matthews literally doesn't shoot wrist shots anymore, something is off with him

There was always “something off with him”, even when he was shooting lasers.

 

[Divine]

Wow, talk about a thread of insecurity.

Are you upset Matthews is the reigning Rocket, Hart and Ted Lindsay winner?

Matthews has also missed games this year due to injury.

That said, yes, it's obvious McDavid has been having a better year than Matthews. So has Marner and Nylander this year.

 

[GOilers88]

And oilers fans are shocked when they are attacked

I'M THE ONE WHO KNOCKS

 

[koyvoo]

Wow, talk about a thread of insecurity.

Are you upset Matthews is the reigning Art Ross, Hart and Ted Lindsay winner?

Matthews has also missed games this year due to injury.

That said, yes, it's obvious McDavid has been having a better year than Matthews.

It’s just hockey talk. Just like it was last year when Marner carried Mathews and McDavid was slightly below his best.

Remember, when you a point a finger at someone, you are also pointing 3 at yourself.

 

[Hynh]

This is ironic considering you completely missed the ball on your understanding of my post.

Nowhere did I mention that Matthews strictly won because "woah nice narrative". What I'm saying is basically that Matthews has a lot of strong supporting elements justifying his win.

Analytics are nice at predicting what will probably happen but awards are for what actually did happen.

 

[Maplebeasts]

It’s just hockey talk. Just like it was last year when Marner carried Mathews and McDavid was slightly below his best.

Remember, when you a point a finger at someone, you are also pointing 3 at yourself.

Matthews was far better than Marner last year. This talk of him being carried is unfounded and ridiculous. This thread is nothing more than OP being upset McDavid didn't sweep the awards last year and lashing out at an extremely opportune time.

 

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Matthews literally has twice the amount of rockets that McDavid has.

 

[Kairi Zaide]

Analytics are nice at predicting what will probably happen but awards are for what actually did happen.

Analytics aren't strictly for predicting

I'm not talking about just expected goals for or corsi. There are several analytics that can be used to assess actual performance.

 

[koyvoo]

Matthews was far better than Marner last year. This talk of him being carried is unfounded and ridiculous.

Perhaps you’re right. As I noted earlier here, Matthews is still an elite scorer, a threat to hit 50 and competed for rockets, but those uber crazy totals would only come with Marner.

Matthews scoring took a significant bump as soon as Keefe put them together, even if it was great before, and he’s seen a decrease since being apart from Marner.

Marner on the other hand will literally give every linemate career type seasons.

 

[pcruz]

There was always “something off with him”, even when he was shooting lasers.

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This is creepy.

Leaf haters have some disturbing obsession with the Leafs.

It's unhealthy.

 

[Sasha Orlov]

Matthews literally has twice the amount of rockets that McDavid has.

Yeah I bet it stays that way too lmfao

 

[koyvoo]

This is creepy.

Leaf haters have some disturbing obsession with the Leafs.

It's unhealthy.

If you’re feeling hurt, fine. It’s just jokes. Like a whattsapp group chat. Chill

I suggest you not tie your emotions so tightly to this team or player.

 

[34]

Perhaps you’re right. As I noted earlier here, Matthews is still an elite scorer, a threat to hit 50 and competed for rockets, but those uber crazy totals would only come with Marner.

Matthews scoring took a significant bump as soon as Keefe put them together, even if it was great before, and he’s seen a decrease since being apart from Marner.

Marner on the other hand will literally give every linemate career type seasons.

There is no secret that Matthews has had an off-season. Ovechkin has also had off seasons in his career as well, despite winning how many rocket Richard trophy’s. It happens, not the end of the world.

 

[doorbag]

Is it still a 1a/1b scenario for best player in the league? Asking for a friend.

 

[Hynh]

Analytics aren't strictly for predicting

I'm not talking about just expected goals for or corsi. There are several analytics that can be used to assess actual performance.

Like being on the ice for 10 more 5x5 goals against than McDavid in 7 fewer games? Wow, what stout defense. Give him the Selke now!

 

[koyvoo]

There is no secret that Matthews has had an off-season. Ovechkin, his head off seasons in his career as well, despite winning how many rocket Richard trophy’s. It happens, not the end of the world.

They could be entirely true, but has nothing to do with the fact that although Matthews was always a lethal scorer, his numbers spiked with Marner, and support without him and the fact that Marner provides ever single linemate with career season type stats.

 

[Garbageyuk]

MODS

I thought this was a good joke, but this guy cries for the mods to delete threads and posts he doesn’t like almost weekly. He’s also a Crosby fanboy and an Oilers/McDavid hater.

Delicious lmao.

 

[norrisnick]

Wow, talk about a thread of insecurity.

Are you upset Matthews is the reigning Art Ross, Hart and Ted Lindsay winner?

Matthews has also missed games this year due to injury.

That said, yes, it's obvious McDavid has been having a better year than Matthews. So has Marner and Nylander this year.

o rly?

 

[NyQuil]