Injury Report: Community Injury Thread
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The argument for getting more physical (not necessarily bigger) isn't that it'd prevent those things, it'd be that we're dishing that out over a 7 game series when that can tilt the tables, especially with the lack of whistles. It's not a preventative measure.
As for being undersized, who knows. But we do have an unusually large amount of injuries year after year so something's up, whatever it is.
The argument for getting more physical (not necessarily bigger) isn't that it'd prevent those things, it'd be that we're dishing that out over a 7 game series when that can tilt the tables, especially with the lack of whistles. It's not a preventative measure.
As for being undersized, who knows. But we do have an unusually large amount of injuries year after year so something's up, whatever it is.
I get that but his argument was that we were small and weak and that’s why we’re injured so much. Complete nonsense as far as I’m concerned. You can go back through all the significant injuries for this core and for support players and you’d be hard pressed to point to a single one that was the result of being small or weak. Also, what we’ve done has resulted in 3 Cups. Between ‘the new guys in town’, they have one each a decade and more ago.
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The things that puzzle me about the injuries are that they happen to players here who were not part of long cup runs or post-season battles, we haven't had a long post-season run in years and we've had a bit of roster turn over, so new players are getting injured.
I mean, logically, I know that it's a contact sport and dudes are running around with knives strapped to their feet hitting each other into plexiglass. Injuries are going to happen. But we're just so far ahead of the mean in terms of man-games lost every year and so consistently that it's not really feeling like random chance. I have no idea if it's style of play, if it's conditioning, if it's the ice at the Igloo, if it's Cranberry's New Jersey aesthetic driving people to mental mistakes.
But it's wild that it's been a thing for so long, and my little primate brain can't help but make patterns that fit it.
I mean, logically, I know that it's a contact sport and dudes are running around with knives strapped to their feet hitting each other into plexiglass. Injuries are going to happen. But we're just so far ahead of the mean in terms of man-games lost every year and so consistently that it's not really feeling like random chance. I have no idea if it's style of play, if it's conditioning, if it's the ice at the Igloo, if it's Cranberry's New Jersey aesthetic driving people to mental mistakes.
But it's wild that it's been a thing for so long, and my little primate brain can't help but make patterns that fit it.
Big Friggin Dummy
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I wouldn't mind more physicality. I just don't want physicality for the sake of physicality. That's just as bad/ineffective as getting speed for the sake of speed.
You need guys that can play well in either case, and that's a lot easier said than done. Physical players who are worth a damn are pretty rare, and pretty expensive. You have to develop those guys, imo.
The one thing I think we're sorely missing, from a role standpoint, is a pest.
You need guys that can play well in either case, and that's a lot easier said than done. Physical players who are worth a damn are pretty rare, and pretty expensive. You have to develop those guys, imo.
The one thing I think we're sorely missing, from a role standpoint, is a pest.
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Zirakzigil
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Because we sold @ColePens soul to the hockey gods for the back to back cups. He then in turn sold the teams health for back to back cups.
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I just don't think it's a coincidence we have this happen Every.Single.Year without fail, not possible so something is wrong somewhere.The argument for getting more physical (not necessarily bigger) isn't that it'd prevent those things, it'd be that we're dishing that out over a 7 game series when that can tilt the tables, especially with the lack of whistles. It's not a preventative measure.
As for being undersized, who knows. But we do have an unusually large amount of injuries year after year so something's up, whatever it is.
66-30-33
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the team is off today so he could have had his leg amputated already and no one would know...
I agree it seems more than random chance, just not that it's due to our guys being small or weak. If you look at the injuries to our stars, they've mostly been pretty catastrophic plays. But in my opinion, discounting factors like conditioning trainers (we have no way of knowing how good they are), it comes down to the intensity and style we play. Dan Bylsma and MS both demand a very intense and fast style, with a lot of shot blocking and gritty play. Our stars play along the boards and in front of the net in a way that others just don't, at least not as often. There's just a different intensity to how we are expected to play. And our guys are targets. The hacking and whacking and hits accumulate, little stuff you can't see behind the play. Not just the stars but other guys too. Size and physicality won't stop that.
Not saying I don't want to get a Kunitz type player who can punish the opposition in a 7 game series, but getting bigger and tougher? Why? We've won 3 Cups playing the way we have. You can't argue with the results but the price is high. Is the league really moving towards bigger and tougher? I don't think it is. Speed (thinking and skating) still rules.
Mac just said on NBC that the “vibe” coming out of Pittsburgh is that Geno will be out some time, said it’s not looking good and probably week to week but no official word...
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It's a waste is what it is. If you think this team has any serious shot, pass me whatever you're drinking smoking or eating.
It's wasted years until a specific change is made.
Big Friggin Dummy
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Staal makes sense if he comes cheap, and Malkin/TB are both ready and at 100% for playoff time. If any one of those things aren't true, no thanks. Even with Staal and a healthy lineup, you've still got a coach who has regularly torpedoed his team with stubborn, arrogant choices and been outcoached handily in recent playoff trips.
See what you can get for Petts, and otherwise stand pat, imo. Make the big changes this summer.
See what you can get for Petts, and otherwise stand pat, imo. Make the big changes this summer.
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Honestly wondering, what is it about Malkin that causes him to get injured so often? It seems like any semi-stiff bump results in him suffering some relatively major injury.
Does he have too much of "Eric Lindros" syndrome in him where he doesn't really bother to brace himself for hits or just lowers his head without paying attention to what's coming, or what?
Does he have too much of "Eric Lindros" syndrome in him where he doesn't really bother to brace himself for hits or just lowers his head without paying attention to what's coming, or what?
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at his age with all the injuries, minor and otherwise, that he’s suffered, I’m sure that’s a contributing factor to being out longer when he’s dinged.....we’re just lucky to have him for 5 games lol
I guess I'd argue the premise. Just off the top of my head, of the injuries he's had over the years I can't think of any that were 'semi-stiff bumps.' Shoulder injuries all happened on major hits (or Leclair losing his balance and Malkin doing a cartwheel over him), ACL/MCL injury was a 6ft 8 lanky bastard who lost his balance and caved in Malkin's knee, concussion was a pretty dangerous push into the boards at high speed, his injury last year he ran into Letang and fell straining something in his leg, his elbow ligament tear was off a catastrophic impact from Prout backing into his arm on the boards. He's also taken a ton of big hits and been relatively fine. I just think he plays a very aggressive style at speed and shit happens. He could probably afford to be heavier but would lose some speed and honestly it would not change the nature of any of those plays above. He's had some smaller injuries too but I can't think of any that weren't a result of just playing a hard style for a star.
The latest injury he was braced well for the hit but Tinordi is so damn tall he had to crouch and almost lead with his knee. An unlucky knee on knee collision. If their knees don't collide that hit is nothing.
Geno is a relatively tall guy, but not a “thick” one. I believe the is contributes quite a bit to him getting injured with regularity. If you look at guys of similar height, they generally have 20-40 lbs on Malkin. Guys like Ovechkin and Wilson come to mind...
Either way, all those “easy” games against NJ and Buffalo don’t look so “easy” now, do they?
Either way, all those “easy” games against NJ and Buffalo don’t look so “easy” now, do they?
66-30-33
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Speed is always going to be king but speed and size and physicality is a much better thing as well as 2 way play. Why not have it all if you can?
DRAGO 18
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This truly sucks Malkin was skating incredibly the past week or 2
Such is the way of the Penguins
Such is the way of the Penguins
vodeni
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This is the stupid part, he completely braced for that hit only to get kneed in such unfortunate way.
Btw 4 weeks would mean 14 games
It IS ok to have a mix of speed, size and physicality and not focus solely on having every player in the roster be a speed demon, sacrificing other aspects of the game.
The Pens don’t have one d man on the roster that can move someone like Ritchie or Anders Lee from the front of the net, let alone punish forwards who are forechecking.
And we don’t have one forward on the roster that can establish net front presence and become an immovable object, let lone ones that can punish opposing d men on dump ins.
This is a legitimately important aspect of the game that we have been lacking for some time now. But...but...but, back to back Cups with SPEED....
