Combined Goalie Discussion thread

[Mess]

New thread to discuss all the ongoing Goalie conversations in one location,

Here is the comparison of Leafs goalies the past 3 years under Keefe, and ranked on SV% and GAA vs. Leafs new additions.. NHL overall ranking in column #1. Ranked high to low.

Surprisingly Jack Campbell edged out Freddy Anderson as he finished 27th to 31st in SV% with JC @ .913 and FA .912 ,, Campbell finished 18th to Freddy at 20th with 2.57 to 2.59 GAA.

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[Isaac Nootin]

GAA and SV%

Might as well start using +/- again

 

[Gary Nylund]

New thread to discuss all the ongoing Goalie conversations,

Here is the comparison of Leafs goalies that past 3 years under Keefe, and ranked on SV% and GAA vs. Leafs new additions.. NHL overall ranking in column #1. Ranked high to low.

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Surprisingly Jack Campbell edged out Freddy Anderson as he finished 27th to 31st in SV% with JC @ .913 and FA .912 ,, Campbell finished 18th to Freddy at 20th with 2.57 to 2.59 GAA.

I'm going to take a wild guess here and say you took the last 3 years because if you took the last 1/2/4/5 years, the numbers for Murray/Samsonov would look better and thus wouldn't suit your agenda. Am I wrong?

 

[Mess]

Here is the combined "Goals Saved above Expected" last 3 years combined comparing former goalies to present replacements.

Ranked Best to Worst in GSAx past 3 seasons cumulative results.

Its noticeable that Leaf goalies under Keefe's system struggle to post positive GSAx stats over his 3 seasons.

There is a belief that bringing in Murray and Samsonsov in front of a better team will improve their stats and GSAx numbers, but that wasn't true for Cambell, Andersen or Mrazek.

 

[Nineteen67]

There’s nothing like a good goaltending tandem……and this is nothing like a good goaltending tandem.

 

[PROUD PAPA]

Oh good, a fresh topic.
A question for those who frequent other teams boards, are they equally stale?

 

[Sypher04]

Mess can cobble together every possible negative scenario he can find, I’m just gonna leave the best reason for optimism here:

Murray from Jan 13 - Feb 26:

11 games played. 5-4. 2 in relief, no result.

22 goals against on 375 shots for a .941SV%

MTL, STL, BOS, PIT, NJD, EDM, CAR, BUF, WSH, EDM, CGY

Only 3 of the 11 games versus non playoff teams

Behind a lousy defensive team.

 

[Mess]

Anyone that isn't worried that this will lead to another wasted season is lying to themselves.

The underlying numbers of their goalie personal stats over the last 3 seasons suggests Leafs are undertaking a very high risk reclamation project here.

Leafs new goalies have statistically been among the bottom 12 ranked in the league.

Going to add a new level of stress and intrigue this season to see how this plays out.

 

[ToneDog]

tusk - we should get Gibson he is a stud
usual suspects - he has sucked for 3 years
tusk - yeah but that is because he plays behind a bad team
usual suspect - doesn't matter

Mess - Murray has sucked for 3 years
usual suspects - yeah but was playing behind teams with terrible defense

 

[andora]

Oh good, a fresh topic.
A question for those who frequent other teams boards, are they equally stale?

Vancouvers has been decent

 

[Sypher04]

tusk - we should get Gibson he is a stud
usual suspects - he has sucked for 3 years
tusk - yeah but that is because he plays behind a bad team
usual suspect - doesn't matter

Mess - Murray has sucked for 3 years
usual suspects - yeah but was playing behind teams with terrible defense

Meh. It was true in both instances. If Anaheim was willing to pay us to take Gibson from them, I’m sure people would’ve been down for that lol

 

[ToneDog]

Meh. It was true in both instances. If Anaheim was willing to pay us to take Gibson from them, I’m sure people would’ve been down for that lol

Problem with Gibson is the term and Ducks were not sweetening to dump him. He would have crippled the team if he flopped.

 

[Sypher04]

Problem with Gibson is the term and Ducks were not sweetening to dump him. He would have crippled the team if he flopped.

I agree. Would have been a worthwhile gamble for basically no acquisition cost though. Not that it ever would have happened

 

[Dekes For Days]

tusk - we should get Gibson he is a stud
usual suspects - he has sucked for 3 years
tusk - yeah but that is because he plays behind a bad team
usual suspect - doesn't matter

Mess - Murray has sucked for 3 years
usual suspects - yeah but was playing behind teams with terrible defense

Murray was bad for two years and then decent last year.
Gibson has been bad in all 3 of the past 3 years.

Murray has 2 years of term left at 4.7m.
Gibson has 5 years of term left at 6.4m.

Murray came with assets.
Gibson would have cost significant assets.

Not hard to see there are quite a few differences.

 

[Byron Bitz]

Murray was bad for two years and then decent last year.
Gibson has been bad in all 3 of the past 3 years.

Murray has 2 years of term left at 4.7m.
Gibson has 5 years of term left at 6.4m.

Murray came with assets.
Gibson would have cost significant assets.

Not hard to see there are quite a few differences.

Murray has been bad for 3 years

 

[AcerComputer]

New thread to discuss all the ongoing Goalie conversations in one location,

Here is the comparison of Leafs goalies the past 3 years under Keefe, and ranked on SV% and GAA vs. Leafs new additions.. NHL overall ranking in column #1. Ranked high to low.

View attachment 582667

Surprisingly Jack Campbell edged out Freddy Anderson as he finished 27th to 31st in SV% with JC @ .913 and FA .912 ,, Campbell finished 18th to Freddy at 20th with 2.57 to 2.59 GAA.

Can you do the same chart for EV save% for the last 5 years? One would have to admit that the PK save% is largely dictated by your teams ability to kill penalties and block shots.

 

[Bomber0104]

Murray has been bad for 3 years

You can't even call last year a "season" for him.

He played 20 games

 

[DarkKnight]

Let’s just hope IF or MAYBE can get the job done this year

 

[LeafEgo]

Problem with Gibson is the term and Ducks were not sweetening to dump him. He would have crippled the team if he flopped.

Sure but no reason to think he would flop.

If Murray had played 50 to 60 games a year behind the Sens at a consistent .905 people wouldn't be that concerned, and the Sens wouldn't have dumped him.

They would have expected a return to form once the D corps was fixed - even though Murray never played that many games or was as consistently good behind the Pens compared to Gibber.

 

[Dekes For Days]

Murray has been bad for 3 years

He hasn't though. He performed decently last season.

 

[Byron Bitz]

He hasn't though. He performed decently last season.

Decently enough to get sent down to the AHL

 

[Byron Bitz]

The Murray trade doesn’t look good, but the Leafs management/goaltending department seem to think they know something about him the rest of us don’t. So I’m fine with waiting and seeing before we lash out but they better be right.

 

[Dekes For Days]

Decently enough to get sent down to the AHL

He played all of 2 games in the AHL. And then he came back and played well in the NHL.

 

[Nineteen67]

It could work….

 

[CDN24]

It is a gamble and the gamble is on Murray and Murray alone. Unless Murray works out the Leafs still have a goalie problem. If Murray craps the bed and Samsonov is good what happens? Samsonov needs a new contract and is eligible for arbitration. Leafs will be hard up against the cap and will have to spend assets to move Murray to free up cash for Samsonov. Yes Leafs have about 15.5M coming off the books next year but its across 10 guys including samsonov and Bunting. Either Murray works or Leafs will have to move assets to get out from the last year of that contract.

The only way this gamble works is if Murray is at least adequate. He hasn't been adequate for a prolonged stretch since 2018-19.