It should ring a bell that Seidenberg was trusted over a 21 year old d-man? It would be pretty weird if he wasn't.
I'm also not sold one way or the other on Hamilton's awareness.
Rumor: Columbus interested in Douggie Hamilton
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It should ring a bell that Seidenberg was trusted over a 21 year old d-man? It would be pretty weird if he wasn't.
I'm also not sold one way or the other on Hamilton's awareness.
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Seems like Seidenberg is actually available per Boston fans in other TR threads.
and if we gonna pay $7 mil. a year I wanna be sure that the guy's capable of playing a top pairing minutes at the highest level. We just can't take such a gamble. We can't make a 21 years old unproven defenseman a highest paid skater on the roster, that wold be disaster for the locker room and create a huge problem in the future when the Jackets will have to resign Dano, Joey, Jenner, Murray, Wennberg...
I'll just take that piece of info on the locker room and put it in the same place I put all the other wisdom fans provide about the locker room.
And as for players raising their salary demands, comps are determined leaguewide, not within the same team. The gamble is entirely whether Hamilton is going to be a star or not. The rest of this is just hysterics.
No ****ing **** Sherlock. Obviously they have increased his role because he can't play defense. Yeah he's a real Mike Green. Dougie is a plus player with 10 points in 18 post season games.
As far as Dougie at 7 million; I'm still not sure where the hell that is coming from other than some reference to three first rounders on the first page with no link. The video indicated less on the offer sheet (based on compensation).
A lot of nonsense floating around about a pretty good 21 year old defensemen who I would take in a heart beat over Savard. Not even close. I have real doubts that most of the people on these boards even know how to estimate contracts. Do people really thing he's going to get the same money as guys playing 25+ minutes a night. In the case of Doughty playing 29?
So you think I'm only going off offensive numbers because of one sentence? You obviously don't know **** about me.
I didn't bother to talk about his defensive game because, quite frankly, most of you that are against him have already made up your minds. I wanted to use facts instead of the non-sensical "uhh huh, nuh uh" garbage that goes on around here when talking about someones play.
Hell with Savard I would comment at the time he had a huge brain cramp and people still had their blinders on.
Two facts; his offensive production and his role have increased year after year. He's also 21. Those two things will go much further in contract negotiations than anything you will post.
I did? Me personally? Feel free to bring up my quotes. The only thing I remember saying about Callahan is that his SoG numbers suggested that he could be a 25-30 goal scorer in this league in the event he stayed healthy. Callahan produced at a borderline 1st line pace. In other words he did exactly what I though he could do.
I don't remember ever saying I wanted to, perhaps I said I might have been willing to consider it in a trade. I don't think anyone anticipated the breakout season that Foligno had. If you suggest that you did, I would like to see that.
Callahan is exactly what I said he his. A solid two way player that can put up 25-30 goals a season.
If you wish to post on these boards in response to me; don't be disingenuous.
I really didn't watch the Bruins the last 2 or 3 months of the season; but I haven't seen anything to suggest that Seidenberg "fell to pieces".
As far as a warning sign (or "ring a bell", first time I've heard that in this context) with Dougie and Dennis - Dougie was used a little less as the season went on as Chara's ice time went up. No real surprise there. Krug's ice time went up a bit in the last month. Not a surprise since he's pretty good and had one hell of month of March. Dennis's usage really didn't change. So it's not like he got a bigger work load. It sure looks like they used him exactly how they always have.
Yeah, I'm really not buying some of the crap that's being sold around here. Just a quick look at things and I can't see anything to suggest that anything was amiss.
As far as a warning sign (or "ring a bell", first time I've heard that in this context) with Dougie and Dennis - Dougie was used a little less as the season went on as Chara's ice time went up. No real surprise there. Krug's ice time went up a bit in the last month. Not a surprise since he's pretty good and had one hell of month of March. Dennis's usage really didn't change. So it's not like he got a bigger work load. It sure looks like they used him exactly how they always have.
Yeah, I'm really not buying some of the crap that's being sold around here. Just a quick look at things and I can't see anything to suggest that anything was amiss.
I don't think I conveyed the chronology correctly - but Seidenberg definitely had a bad year. Seidenberg was once a solid #2D for Boston and now his role is uncertain. Here's a link, with a couple quotes:
"I mean, I obviously sucked at the beginning of the season,†Seidenberg said.
Julien said. “I don’t think anybody here thinks Seids is playing at his full potential right now."
7.3 is the number Viqsi and I both came up with, because naturally anything less is an easy match for the Bruins and anything more is 2 firsts.
Average annual value Compensation
Less than $1,205,377 Nothing
$1,205,377-to-$1,826,328 Third-round pick
$1,826,328-to-$3,652,659 Second-round pick
$3,652,659-to-$5,478,986 First and third-round picks
$5,478,986-to-$7,305,316 First, second and third-round picks
$7,305,316-to-$9,131,645 Two firsts, a second and third-round picks
$9,131,645 or greater Four first-round picks
It's not a science. For an RFA it's normally a total f***barrell, and Hamilton would get $3m or so a year, like Joey. But with an offersheet it becomes pay for future rather than pay for performance. Take a look at the comps for Hamilton and tell me he doesn't get 7 on the open market.
True top pairing D are rarely available even in the salary cap era. If Jarmo views either Hamilton or Hanifin as that rare commodity of being capable to develop into a 1D/top pairing D, I am completely comfortable going all in to get either this year while assets and cap space are available to do so. As has been discussed adnauseum, 1 D are rarely acquired and typically drafted and developed. Accordingly, Hamilton is likely this year's Johansen and will remain a Bruin even if he does sign an offersheet. Tangentially, then it stands to reason we need to develop our own top pairing via Murray and this year's draft. If that is trading up for Hanifin or staying put and nabbing either Provorov or Werenski, if the FO truly feels that is the best prospect at getting a potential 1D/top pairing D to match with Murray as CBJ moves into their contention years, I am happy with either approach. This is one of those rare occasions where we have multiple great options available, I am enjoying the process. The SC finals performance Hedman is giving clearly demonstrates that if you have the right elite D prospect, patience will be rewarded. As a glass half full guy, I am optimistic that Murray and whomever we land this year will both develop into those top pairing D players we all will be thrilled to see lift the Stanley Cup at Nationwide
I would say the odds are near zero that we'll offer sheet. Wouldn't even bother contemplation. If we did it wouldn't be 7 million.
As far as the last sentence; he's not on the open market so it really doesn't matter. If someone sign's him to a long term deal he could very well get that 7. He'll probably get a bridge deal.
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Comps may be leaguewide, but it would send a negative message to the players in the locker room over playing hardball with a handful of incumbent players and then breaking the bank for a new guy. And at this point, Murray would definitely be a comp.
Tom Osborne one time had to basically stamp out a revolt among his assistant coaches. He lost one of his guys each of two or three straight years, but to get a top replacement he'd have to overpay. So the assistants who had been there for years were now being drastically underpaid compared to the new guys who were just rolling into town, and they got pretty hacked off about it. Osborne spoke to them as a group and individually, and was able to convince the administration to float them some decent-sized bonuses to quell it.
Not an issue. We have tradable contracts that we can move. Arty, Tyuts, etc..
Allright, allright, fair point. But I maintain that nobody (including the players) is ultimately going to care about salary if Hamilton really is a solid #1D. That's why this is like the whole move up for Hanifin/Provorov discussion. If Jarmo is sure about the player, you definitely pay the price.
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My comment was made in reference to a 7.3 offer sheet. Any trade would have to happen independently of that.
In a trade we wouldn't be paying him 7.3-we'd be Joey'ing him. Plus Boston wouldn't trade him.
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Summation; he's not nearly as bad defensively as some around here think he is. He's progressing, not regressing. He's 21 which is still very young for a D. He's had some good playoff performances. He has all the tools. The only questions are:
1. Is Boston really willing to give him up?
2. Are the Blue Jackets really interested?
3. Are we willing to give up the assets needed to make this deal get done?
4. Are the Jackets willing to pay him what he and his agent out like?
5. Are the reported numbers accurate?
1. Is Boston really willing to give him up?
2. Are the Blue Jackets really interested?
3. Are we willing to give up the assets needed to make this deal get done?
4. Are the Jackets willing to pay him what he and his agent out like?
5. Are the reported numbers accurate?
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7MM for Hamilton?
I really like Hamilton. Do you put 21 yr old Hamilton in the Doughty, Suter, Weber category? I guess I haven't seen enough Bruins hockey, or he has gotten considerably better than I remember.
Wouldn't we be better off trying to move up in the draft and picking as many top dmen as we can get hoping 1 to 2 pans out? There just aren't a lot of good dmen moved.. of course I still miss Methot so what the hell do I know
I really like Hamilton. Do you put 21 yr old Hamilton in the Doughty, Suter, Weber category? I guess I haven't seen enough Bruins hockey, or he has gotten considerably better than I remember.
Wouldn't we be better off trying to move up in the draft and picking as many top dmen as we can get hoping 1 to 2 pans out? There just aren't a lot of good dmen moved.. of course I still miss Methot so what the hell do I know
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I personally put him in the early Dion Phaneuf category. I'm not convinced that he hasn't peaked this early, and will end up regressing inch by inch over the next 10 years.
Exactly. And Phaneuf is only one of the bunch. Here's another example to compare.
22 years old Hamilton has played 72 games, scored 42(10+32) points
A few years ago another 22 years old D-man has played 68 games, scored 40(6+34) points. He also was a 1st round selection.
I know exactly that a lot of Jackets fans would have been happy to get him at that time. He is out of the league for a while now.
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This whole rumor is simply Boston media throwing crap against the wall and seeing if it sticks. columbus has tradable forwards, Boston isn't giving Hamilton 7 mil a season unless he changes his name to Weber overnight.
It's what I refer to as "the Horton effect" and Boston isn't the only one guilty of doing it to the CBJ, of course it might have been called "the Marchant effect" in the past.
A player is scooped up from your organization or on the rebound, is paid big money despite some questions surrounding them, from then on out, every player moving towards the door, logically, in that organization is going to be seen as "headed a particular location because that other organization has shown itself capable of doing dumb things iinvolving overpayment either as a trade or in FA or both".
philly did it for a while after the Jeff Carter trade, until they were robbed for Bob and took Mason off our hands.
It's what I refer to as "the Horton effect" and Boston isn't the only one guilty of doing it to the CBJ, of course it might have been called "the Marchant effect" in the past.
A player is scooped up from your organization or on the rebound, is paid big money despite some questions surrounding them, from then on out, every player moving towards the door, logically, in that organization is going to be seen as "headed a particular location because that other organization has shown itself capable of doing dumb things iinvolving overpayment either as a trade or in FA or both".
philly did it for a while after the Jeff Carter trade, until they were robbed for Bob and took Mason off our hands.
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