GDT: Colorado Avalanche@ Winnipeg Jets 10/26/14 1 PM MDT

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AVSfan2daMAX

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He's been spectacularly below average as an NHLer as a whole this season, looks like we just traded for him again. He should be in the AHL over the likes of Everberg based on play alone. Not over Cliche obviously but I have a hard time thinking of who's been worse.



Were all going to be bagging on Briere when he only finishes up the year with 25 points or so, but what can you expect when he's playing with plugs like Cliche and Mcleod
I don't see how that is relevant to that play in particular. You trying to tell me it wasn't a good move? Why is it so hard to just give credit to the opposition once instead of always demeaning our players? Pavelec made a great play.

But you're right about Talbot in general.
 

Nihiliste

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Hey guys ive been following every game this year with a stupid game tracker/boxscore. Is it worth the money to buy game center or center ice to watch the avs?

Depends where you live. Living in Canada there aren't that many blackouts on GCL especially since we don't play the Edm/Cgy/Van as often anymore. I watch pretty much every game on it and its been good value.
 

a mangy Meowth

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I think all players that are playing in the nhl should have some offensive abilities. But I don't see any in cliché, McLeod or Talbot. Even bordeleau had more skill.

Maybe if we had more all round 3rd and 4th liners like Mitchell or mcginn we would be a bit better off no?

Not saying that one player cant be a defensive specialist but to have 3 players is a little too much for my liking

I think you're being a little hyperbolic and ridiculous, honestly



This is game 9
 

agentblack

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Im starting to see the strategy off using Iggy on an off. zone face off

He actually lost the draw but Duchene used his speed to get the puck back

Smart
 

Nihiliste

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Briere is the problem, Talbot is the problem, Mitchell is the problem, McLeod is the problem, Cliche is the problem. Am I doing it right?

Can we just have a 3rd line with players from the top 2 lines? And no 4th line, those guys suck!

In fact, let's just play MacKinnon and Duchene all game, they score sometimes!

The problem with the bottom 6 is a lack of coherent identity. I think Mcleod/Cliche are thoroughly average and replaceable but more than that I think the big problem is we don't have a group of guys that complement each other.
 

a mangy Meowth

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The problem with the bottom 6 is a lack of coherent identity. I think Mcleod/Cliche are thoroughly average and replaceable but more than that I think the big problem is we don't have a group of guys that complement each other.

That seems like something that could work itself out over the next 73 games, especially with the return of Winchester
 

Nihiliste

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That seems like something that could work itself out over the next 73 games, especially with the return of Winchester

Winchester in and Cliche out will help for sure. Otherwise it'll be a matter of turnover over the next year or two. With Roy always speaking about how he wants to play like the Kings, you have to think that he's going to try to build the bottom 6 in a different way.
 

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Tanguay - Duchene - Iginla
O'Reilly - MacKinnon - Landeskog (I think they'll figure it out, and they've been a bit better lately)
McGinn - Mitchell - Everberg
Talbot - Winchester - Brière

That would be a pretty decent bottom 6.
 

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mackinnon has only 3:32 icetime. 2nd least after briere 3:31

o'reilly 4:24 and landeskog 5:14 is stupid as well.

cliché 5:13 is pathetic

1st line/2nd line should be 20:00ish a game
 

AvsFanJosh

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Depends where you live. Living in Canada there aren't that many blackouts on GCL especially since we don't play the Edm/Cgy/Van as often anymore. I watch pretty much every game on it and its been good value.

Yes i live in canada, but its just i dont want to pay for it if they black out avs games
 

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Tanguay - Duchene - Iginla
O'Reilly - MacKinnon - Landeskog (I think they'll figure it out, and they've been a bit better lately)
McGinn - Mitchell - Everberg
Talbot - Winchester - Brière

That would be a pretty decent bottom 6.

Everything we have seen or heard related to McLeod suggests he won't be out of the lineup as long as he's healthy.
 

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The problem with the bottom 6 is a lack of coherent identity. I think Mcleod/Cliche are thoroughly average and replaceable but more than that I think the big problem is we don't have a group of guys that complement each other.

I dont mind Talbot on this team , he's a leader and a winner we need this type of guy on a team . Mcleod Cliche are a little lost in our lineup , i feel like they should bring a lot more to the table and when they dont, that's when we have a problem and we would be better suited with other players .

I agree about the complement part , we always talk about how important chemistry is on our top 6 that we forget how important it is to have chemistry on the bottom 6 also .
 

TheStranger

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I'm happy we got a PP but that double-minor for bleeding rule is pretty dumb.

It really makes no sense. It's not even in the rule book. Blood means nothing for a minor vs double minor but somewhere along the way referees decided that was the factor.

So you can break someones cheek bone, without causing blood. Minor. Or you can accidentally flake off a scab on their nose and you get 4.
 

Skip2myBordyloo

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I don't see how that is relevant to that play in particular. You trying to tell me it wasn't a good move? Why is it so hard to just give credit to the opposition once instead of always demeaning our players? Pavelec made a great play.

But you're right about Talbot in general.

I see nothing wrong with his missed breakaway opportunity. Just bad timing with me posting and the play.

mackinnon has only 3:32 icetime. 2nd least after briere 3:31

o'reilly 4:24 and landeskog 5:14 is stupid as well.

cliché 5:13 is pathetic

1st line/2nd line should be 20:00ish a game

This is more or less what I'm talking about.

Talbot 5:45

Shouldn't be giving this much ice-time to a mostly responsible defensive player who isn't creating much offense aside from his breakaway rush.
 

Nihiliste

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Yes i live in canada, but its just i dont want to pay for it if they black out avs games

Its worth it in the regular season, but useless in the playoffs (every game is televised). Between living in AB and traveling a lot I find it good value as I can watch our games regardless of where I am.
 

linusandvarlamov

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mackinnon has only 3:32 icetime. 2nd least after briere 3:31

o'reilly 4:24 and landeskog 5:14 is stupid as well.

cliché 5:13 is pathetic

1st line/2nd line should be 20:00ish a game

Yeah, how can you expect Mackinnon to get going and find his groove if he's getting the 2nd least amount of ice time on the Avs team. Cliche has a 1min 30 more of ice time than Mack and O'Reilly/Landeskog who are on the same line as he is have about a 1 minute and a bit on him ...
 

Nihiliste

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Tanguay - Duchene - Iginla
O'Reilly - MacKinnon - Landeskog (I think they'll figure it out, and they've been a bit better lately)
McGinn - Mitchell - Everberg
Talbot - Winchester - Brière

That would be a pretty decent bottom 6.

I think its good for Everberg to work on his offensive game in the AHL this year as I hope he can be more of a Mcginn-lite type of tweener who can contribute offensively in the long run. I see him as more of a line 3/4 guy than a 2/3 tweener the way Mcginn is though, just based on skill level. But I agree, if he can earn a spot he could potentially improve the bottom 6.

I dont mind Talbot on this team , he's a leader and a winner we need this type of guy on a team . Mcleod Cliche are a little lost in our lineup , i feel like they should bring a lot more to the table and when they dont, that's when we have a problem and we would be better suited with other players .

I agree about the complement part , we always talk about how important chemistry is on our top 6 that we forget how important it is to have chemistry on the bottom 6 also .

I'm fine with Talbot if Mcleod/Cliche are not also in the lineup. Unfortunately Mcleod is locked up for 4 years. But post Briere (hope we spend that money well elsewhere) I'm fine with a 4th line of Useful player - Winchester - Talbot.
 

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