He's doing his best and gradually getting better, no complaints with Sillinger the person. As for his usage, why would we go after Rick Nash? We don't know who made what decisions so it's worse than useless to blame individuals. And Sillinger is not abjectly terrible this year, just overplayed in my opinion.
Player Discussion: Cole Sillinger thread
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He's doing his best and gradually getting better, no complaints with Sillinger the person. As for his usage, why would we go after Rick Nash? We don't know who made what decisions so it's worse than useless to blame individuals. And Sillinger is not abjectly terrible this year, just overplayed in my opinion.
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I agree it's not about points for any player, let alone Sillinger, however, pointing to a single point in a game is as ridiculous as many other things noted around Sillinger. It's like me saying... "That backcheck that Monahan missed was inexcusable, and they scored. He's not a good skater and doesn't play defense." And Sillinger has an NHL shot, It's good. He simply doesn't use it enough. That's a fault.
Again, I'm not sure I get this point either. Comparing him to Chinakhov is ludicrous too. Sure, when Chinakhov is have a good day he's the better play, however, if he ISN'T scoring, he doesn't do much else for this team right now. Notice...right now.
I get it, I'm a Sillinger fan, but I do see his warts. I also see that he is leaps and bounds better than last year and has shown progress in every part of his game. And I'm sure someone can point to his stats that would say otherwise. I'm not saying he's perfect, but I am saying he's 21, has made dramatic improvement and I think the discussion points seem to heavily lean towards what someone in their mid-20's as a classic middle 6 player would be expected to be.
I do agree, he's not getting these minutes on a cup contender and he's not player this role on a cup contender but I ask, who should have these minutes/roles on this team? I won't argue against Voronkov as an option, but if we're discussing development and growth and see what the young players can handle...not a lot of options. I also don't see CBJ going out and trading for an option as it doesn't make sense at this stage.
He still has one very important thing, great competitiveness, he has always wanted to win. With Chinakhov I don't have that feeling (I could be wrong, of course), with Marchenko and Voronkov I do. Od course I just say about Russian.
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I was looking at faceoff numbers this morning. We have 5 guys that have taken 100 or more face offs.
Kurally 52.0%
Monahan 51.5%
Sillinger 49.4%
Danforth 48.2%
Fantilli 40.7%
Sillinger is 3 percentage points higher than he had been last year. He is getting close to the correct side of 50%.
And since then Silly has continued to improve on faceoffs.
He has now won 50,1% of his faceoffs this season. Good job Cole!
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before anyone gets concerned about the fantilli part of this, both of the guys drafted ahead of him (bedard and carlsson) are in the 30s.
Hell, jack Hughes is at a scintillating 38%.
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I think he's moving better, I also believe when the coaching staff stopped trying to put a square peg in a round hole he's looked better. When he's slotted properly he can provide fine value, the coaches just need to stop acting like he can be part of an offensive line right now and just work with his strengths
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I think he’s skating better too. He’s a turnover machine though. Stats wise it seems like he’s been the exact same player since his rookie year.
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When he tries to play like KJ and Fantilli he constantly f***s up and turns the puck over. He needs to model his game after Boone and just keep it simple. Buckle down on FOs, be a hard to play against guy who does all the small things right and get to the right areas on the ice. It might not be pretty but those guys have value and stick around the league for a long time.
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The one element I'd like to see more of in his game is a pest. I know he's bigger than most guys you think of that way, and I don't need him fighting, but I wouldn't mind seeing him troll players on other teams. I admit I generally hate guys like that but maybe it's because they're always on other teams.
Yes, I'd prefer he cut down on turnovers, simplify his game and maybe that gives him a little bump in production?
I'm beyond worrying about his having been a high first round pick and more interested in maximizing his benefit to the roster. It feels like he's liked by coaches and teammates, so let's have him settle in somwhere.
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I think Sillinger has been better, but he’s also in the purgatory of average. When we’re down a goal, I don’t go “we need to get Sillinger out there”, and when we’re up a goal I don’t go “Sillinger can help close this out” either. He’s just there.
He’s an NHL body. Capable at playing a third line role currently. But that’s really it. He’s kind of forgettable.
He’s fine. I think he’s a leader in the room and is growing in that sense. But his on ice impact is only marginal at this point in time.
He’s an NHL body. Capable at playing a third line role currently. But that’s really it. He’s kind of forgettable.
He’s fine. I think he’s a leader in the room and is growing in that sense. But his on ice impact is only marginal at this point in time.
Skillswise you can see him taking big steps in his skating and handling. Of course he's improved in those ways. At times he can show really impressive patience and puck protection moves. His first 6 or 7 games after his recent injury break he was well rested and putting it together, getting to pucks quickly and feeding teammates. And then I didn't notice much good from him in the last few games.
His analytics results (play-driving and goals results) are mostly the same this year, still putrid. I think he's best suited for more of a depth role for now. Bottom six wing. But I think he's still developing. You just have to stop coaches from overplaying him, because he gets tired and dumb. He's always motoring but the brain oxygen isn't there. Sillinger is always given a pass from coaches even when he goes all game without making a proper pass, they just heap on more minutes as he's dragging around out there. I think that has to change. When he's rested he's much better.
His analytics results (play-driving and goals results) are mostly the same this year, still putrid. I think he's best suited for more of a depth role for now. Bottom six wing. But I think he's still developing. You just have to stop coaches from overplaying him, because he gets tired and dumb. He's always motoring but the brain oxygen isn't there. Sillinger is always given a pass from coaches even when he goes all game without making a proper pass, they just heap on more minutes as he's dragging around out there. I think that has to change. When he's rested he's much better.
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worth noting that olivier has been the proxy for CBJ's "identity line" all year, and that line has looked significantly better of late with sillinger as the primary driver. especially so with voronkov on the other wing.
it's not always pretty (although the hands are starting to pop) but he's playing with pace and confidence. that line has been great, and he hasn't been a passenger.
maybe he's not a shot suppressing shutdown center, or a slick playmaker or sniper, but there's value in having a versatile piece that can elevate that kind of line. and he doesn't have jenner's infuriating tendency to throw a low-danger chance on net the second he gets the zone.
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Reading these posts tells me there’s a general consensus on who Sillinger really is. Those who advocated he’s a second line center are realizing he’s a 3C who can be an effective player with the right line-mates - straight ahead players who can grind out goals thru hard work.
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I think we know who he is now, but not who he could be.
If you look at that draft class, it is not like we missed on the pick. Look at the next several picks after him and tell me who we should have taken. Wyatt Johnston was 11 picks later.
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I wish I understood the nuances of the little plays that I hear on the broadcasts. Maybe it's just the announcers pumping up the tires, but I swear everyone seems to love him. I'm a fan, you all know that. I also know he isn't a finished product and playing a bottom 6 role is ideal. I think he ends up a plus 3rd line type that can still provide some pop and a full 200ft game. I think he's improved overall, but there is still work to be done.
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