I think if he's deemed to have been drafted out of the USHL, then that sticks regardless of where he plays this year.
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I think if he's deemed to have been drafted out of the USHL, then that sticks regardless of where he plays this year.
I had to look it up because that didn't sound right, and no, Yakupov wasn't in the CHL at age 16 and Rychel scored 13 pts at that age. Both had big 17 year old seasons (D-1 for them) though.
I didn't point out Sillinger's gaudy 16 year old season as a way of saying out how great he is and how safe he is as a prospect, the point was that if you wanted him to have a season where he played a lot of minutes and scored a lot in junior, well he did that two years ago. And then last year was a romp for Sillinger. Being slightly better than your peers is a great way to develop, being massively better means not having to develop.
As for PLD, there were many complaints about how much worse he was in his D+1 so I'm not sure if it was so great for him to be in junior, not that there was any choice.
Edit: Funny enough both Rychel and Yakupov have been mentioned as examples of guys that got away with things at the junior level. By that I mean they did things that only could work because the competition was weak. In his age group Rychel was a bull on skates, but didn't have much skill. Yakupov was just a buzzsaw, or a buzzing bee if you prefer. I'm not saying that they failed because they stayed in junior, they might not have made it through any path, but it also can't be shown that they would have benefited from being there longer.
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If he’s this good, then why did he fall to 12? If he’s this close to nhl ready, he should be going way higher
Well you're talking to one of the people that would have taken Sillinger higher, so no dispute there.
The Black Book had him 5th by the way, and they're as good as it gets.
Why did he not go top ten? I think part of it is that everyone can see him "getting away with things". Selfish plays where he dipsy doodles and doesn't pass, bad shot selection where he beats a weaker goalie. Stuff like that. People who like him, like me, think he is just smartly playing to his level of competition. People who don't like him think he just doesn't have elite IQ and skill, and he'll have problems translating his production to higher levels.
It's entirely a question of translation to higher levels. There is no question that he has dominated so far. Patrick Bacon's model ranked him 2nd overall, and that model is entirely based on production to date, age, and I think some slight weighting for size. The model is perhaps not to be taken too seriously but it should give you an indication of how dominant Cole has been in the last couple years.
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Two of those people are generational talents who had success as RFA and signed 10-year 10-mil type deals tI stay. Letang is similarly compensated as an elite player. The only other guys with tenure there are Rust, Dumoulin and Guentzel, who were RFA when they signed their current deals.
So yeah, Crosby, Malkin and Letang have stayed.
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You know that "nhl ready" isn't the benchmark for getting picked earlier then others.
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Lets stop dumping on each other for questions & opinions. I want to draft Shane Wright. Not willing to tell our team to tank on purpose though, I think this season is going to be rough enough without trying to lose. I see no reason to have Silly in the NHL other than for the cup of coffee, (minimum of games). However if Silly is good enough to play in Cleveland & that helps his development - it sounds like a good idea to me.
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His skating seems to be getting overlooked by some and being passed off and accepted as something it isn’t, IMO. Don’t think it’s anywhere near NHL caliber at this point.
He also seems to be more of a winger, especially at the NHL/AHL level.
He also seems to be more of a winger, especially at the NHL/AHL level.
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Skating ability seems to be something the front office once coveted (Jones, PLD, Milano) but have now grown to be less of a priority (Johnson, Sillinger, Jenner extension, etc) or at least more accepting of skating deficiencies
I agree with the crowd about leaving Sillinger in the CHL. Playing to the competition or developing lazy habits because hes "too good" is more of a concern vs being happy hes out played his peers. He can continue to grow, work on his weaknesses and hopefully play his way onto team Canada. Hes not Bedard or Wright out there, he can improve just fine in the CHL while playing more games/minutes
Id be more concerned with him slumping in the AHL and being buried in the bottom 6 like TFW was and thats not good for anyone. Its a much less forgiving league
Id be more concerned with him slumping in the AHL and being buried in the bottom 6 like TFW was and thats not good for anyone. Its a much less forgiving league
PLD improved his skating a lot after being drafted. Sillinger and Johnson arent terrible skaters, not unrealistic to expect some real growth there
He's had "weak skater" on his profile for years now, but from what I can tell the improvement has been happening. I was watching the Guillaume Richard shift-by-shift vid when this guy on the other team came flying through.
That's from April 3rd. The next latest game I could find (I think) is the last one in this 5 game video. I've copied the link for that time of the video:
There's several spots following that sequence where he shows good speed. I don't like his plodding skating when he's away from the puck, but when he really wants to go, he goes.
He'll obviously need to continue to work on it but we're seeing growth happen and that's very encouraging. We might have to update our ideas about his skating when we see him at Traverse City.
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Check again?
11/12 season Rychel was 16, 74P in 68GP. Yakupov 10/11 was 101P in 65GP. While you look up Yakupov’s look up Galchenyuk as well. Same team, same situation.
You're looking at their 17 year old seasons. Maybe you got tripped up because they were 17 for their D-1 seasons while Sillinger was 16 for his D-1.
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| 44 | Cole Sillinger | C | 48 | 22 | 31 | 53 | 22 | 19 | OH: Columbus | 16 |
| Nail Yakupov | R | 65 | 49 | 52 | 101 | 71 | -2 | -- | -- | -- | -- | -- | Russia: Nizhnekamsk | 16 |
| Kerby Rychel | L | 68 | 41 | 33 | 74 | 54 | 3 | 4 | 2 | 0 | 2 | 5 | CA: Torrance | 16 |
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Okay.
Do you need me to post their birthdates here, or can you just look at that?
Yakupov and Rychel turned 17 before their D-1 seasons started. Sillinger turned 17 after his D-1 ended.
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Generational talent or not, Crosby and Malkin didn't force their way out of town because they wanted to play somewhere else like other people who decided that they would rather be elsewhere.
Sillinger is listed as a center, but, from what I can gather, didn’t actually play center or take faceoffs while playing for Medicine Hat.
I can’t find faceoff statistics for the USHL/ his time with Sioux Falls.
I can’t find faceoff statistics for the USHL/ his time with Sioux Falls.
Have you watched the videos? He started at wing in Sioux Falls but was mostly at center by the later half of his season. If I remember this correctly from Scouch's Scouting Report - Sillinger absolutely killed it on faceoffs. But he was also pretty lazy about playing actual defense and backchecking and whatnot, which gets back to the bad habits debate (and also might connect to his inefficient stride).
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That’s not true though. Their schedule starts late September. Rychel started Sept 22nd and Yakupov started Sept 24th, both at 16, and ended at 17. All 3 would be considered the same age group because organized hockey groups players with the calendar year starting June ending in May.
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The black book had Logan Brown ranked 7th in 2016 (actually drafted at 11 by Arizona) which ranked him higher on their list than Nylander, Keller, and Sergachev - all who were actually drafted before Logan Brown.
In general the black book is pretty good.
If Sillinger was draft eligible next year, where do you think is he falling to?
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TBH being a ‘weak skater’ doesn’t really matter. Skating can be taught, skill/IQ not so much.
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I don't see how you can improve playing against talent you are already much better than. I would want a guy to move up to accept the next challenge, not stay where he is already proven.
As far as TFW getting buried on bottom lines, I can't remeber seeing that in Cleveland. He and MacInnis always seemed to be paired together and got plenty of ice time. Plus he was on the PP also.
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