Player Discussion: Cole Perfetti 10th OA pick

[surixon]

He is playing the wrong position, he needs to be up the middle in the AHL this season.

Yeah I am hoping the OHL can't go and Vincent gets to mold him as a center for the rest of the year.

 

[jepjepjoo]

Agree with everything, except the 'zero culture' part. There is a ton of great culture of every kind in Winnipeg.

Anyway, back to hockey. I've not had time to watch any of the games, but some of the negative reactions based on small sample and inflated expectations are unfortunate.
From a quick perusal of stats, Byfield is still the only 2002 player on the Canadian team with more points than Cole--mostly from one game--and Perfetti has had many more chances.
If Canada is fortunate enough to win gold and if a few more of Cole's setups and SOG go in, this tourney will go down as an unmitigated success for both team and player.

A quick perusal of stats shows that Perfetti has zero points against real opponents... 3pts in a 16-2 blowout and 2 points in a 10-0 blowout.

 

[scelaton]

A quick perusal of stats shows that Perfetti has zero points against real opponents... 3pts in a 16-2 blowout and 2 points in a 10-0 blowout.

My main point was that crapping all over Perfetti based on a small sample size, all things considered, was "unfortunate". This is just another example.

 

[NA Hockey]

A quick perusal of stats shows that Perfetti has zero points against real opponents... 3pts in a 16-2 blowout and 2 points in a 10-0 blowout.

...and the #2 overall pick Byfield has 7 points total. 6pts in a 10-0 win and 1 point in the 16-2 win and none against the real opponents as you put it.

Byfield and Perfetti are the only two 02 born forwards selected for the team from the entire country and playing on a forward corps that has eleven 2001 born 1st round draft picks. The coaches selected and played Perfetti in the top 6 and PP1 for reason. If a couple of guys convert for him in the last couple of games and he gets any puck luck he could easily have 8-10 points already.

 

[jepjepjoo]

...and the #2 overall pick Byfield has 7 points total. 6pts in a 10-0 win and 1 point in the 16-2 win and none against the real opponents as you put it.

Byfield and Perfetti are the only two 02 born forwards selected for the team from the entire country and playing on a forward corps that has eleven 2001 born 1st round draft picks. The coaches selected and played Perfetti in the top 6 and PP1 for reason. If a couple of guys convert for him in the last couple of games and he gets any puck luck he could easily have 8-10 points already.

If it only was about points... He hasn't looked good out there.

 

[BigZ65]

How do you judge any of Team Canada's forwards based on this 5 game tournament? Literally every one of them has been on every line from 1 through 4 depending on the game. This is a deep team. The only consistent group for usage has been the top D pair and the goalie.

 

[Whileee]

If it only was about points... He hasn't looked good out there.

I think you look for different things than I do when assessing young prospects.

 

[NA Hockey]

If it only was about points... He hasn't looked good out there.

I think he has looked pretty good overall and at times has looked very good. He has setup a number of breakaways, scoring chances etc and has made great decisions all over the ice. His zone exits and entries continue to be amongst the best on the team. The coaches continue to play him among the top 6 forwards in time on ice per game, and on PP1, so they obviously think he has been pretty good.

Its obvious you don't like him, and to each their own, but to run a kid out of town before their first ever training camp or NHL game has even happened, seems ridiculous.

 

[surixon]

If it only was about points... He hasn't looked good out there.

What are you looking for exactly?

He isnt a dasher or a bruiser. It has never been his game to crash and bang or be overly flashy with the puck.

What he has consistently done this tournament are the little things well that don't show up on a highlight plays or really get noticed by the casual observer.

He has consistently pushed the play out of his end of the ice by making very smart reads and decisions with the puck in his own end he has also gained the zone incredibly well consistently allowing his line to have a great deal of zone time.

He has also created plenty of chances in the pp and at 5 on 5 when he's had the opportunity.

Perhaps of he wasn't asked to sit infront of the net and battle bigger players for positing he would look more dangerous in the ozone but he has been asked to let his linemates do the cycling.

 

[NA Hockey]

What are you looking for exactly?

He isnt a dasher or a bruiser. It has never been his game to crash and bang or be overly flashy with the puck.

What he has consistently done this tournament are the little things well that don't show up on a highlight plays or really get noticed by the casual observer.

He has consistently pushed the play out of his end of the ice by making very smart reads and decisions with the puck in his own end he has also gained the zone incredibly well consistently allowing his line to have a great deal of zone time.

He has also created plenty of chances in the pp and at 5 on 5 when he's had the opportunity.

Perhaps of he wasn't asked to sit infront of the net and battle bigger players for positing he would look more dangerous in the ozone but he has been asked to let his linemates do the cycling.

Great point that no one really brought up is coaching and the player doing what the coach has asked and follow the game plan. This team is being coached to get pucks deep, not make plays at the lines, play heavy and a north south type game. You see many players who are skill players not making plays and following the script. If they make a mistake they get in trouble, so they are playing it safe because with the amount of talent they have, if they play safe and don't make any mistakes they will win. So a creative skilled player is being reined in. With a team with so much talent they can do this and everyone has bought in. Compare this to the US who is a creative, free wheeling team that is making plays all over the ice. Two different strategies being employed. I think this is also why Cozens looks so good as he is a straight line player with speed and this system plays into that (that and he is a very good 19 year old top 10 pick in his second WJC tournament)

 

[surixon]

Great point that no one really brought up is coaching and the player doing what the coach has asked and follow the game plan. This team is being coached to get pucks deep, not make plays at the lines, play heavy and a north south type game. You see many players who are skill players not making plays and following the script. If they make a mistake they get in trouble, so they are playing it safe because with the amount of talent they have, if they play safe and don't make any mistakes they will win. So a creative skilled player is being reined in. With a team with so much talent they can do this and everyone has bought in. Compare this to the US who is a creative, free wheeling team that is making plays all over the ice. Two different strategies being employed. I think this is also why Cozens looks so good as he is a straight line player with speed and this system plays into that (that and he is a very good 19 year old top 10 pick in his second WJC tournament)

Yeah I think systems also play a role in things. I think Cole would be more noticeable on either the American or Russian teams where creativity is being emphasized. Their offensive schemes suit his game more then what we are running.

I still think he has adapted well and is playing solid hockey and his point totals haven't matched what he has created.

 

[Teemusalami204]

Yeah I think systems also play a role in things. I think Cole would be more noticeable on either the American or Russian teams where creativity is being emphasized. Their offensive schemes suit his game more then what we are running.

I still think he has adapted well and is playing solid hockey and his point totals haven't matched what he has created.

This scares me. Maurice really does take the creativity out of players games to fit his mold.

Both of our top prospects thrive when they are let loose. We might be in for huge disappointments

 

[surixon]

This scares me. Maurice really does take the creativity out of players games to fit his mold.

Both of our top prospects thrive when they are let loose. We might be in for huge disappointments

I personally am not expecting Moe to last much longer here as the head coach. I think he is going to continue to struggle the more this roster transforms.

It wouldn't really surprise me if Moe never coaches a single game of Perfetti's.

 

[Teemusalami204]

I personally am not expecting Moe to last much longer here as the head coach. I think he is going to continue to struggle the more this roster transforms.

It wouldn't really surprise me if Moe never coaches a single game of Perfetti's.

This year is a wash. No matter what happens Maurice has excuses. Next year could be a wash as well if it’s a shortened weird season. It doesn’t take much more then one injury for Maurice to get a pass.

Maurice has till wheelers contract is done. I stand by this

 

[Teemusalami204]

It’s very early. Perfetti could be a kuchurov lite or turn into an eberle and shy away from contact in The corner in game 7 and loses the game for us.

The only difference would be Edmonton tradeD eberle after that and we would keep Perfetti

 

[surixon]

This year is a wash. No matter what happens Maurice has excuses. Next year could be a wash as well if it’s a shortened weird season. It doesn’t take much more then one injury for Maurice to get a pass.

Maurice has till wheelers contract is done. I stand by this

This year is most certainly not a wash imo. The team is spending cap money in a year where they are not having fans in the stands and are down major revenue. Chipman isn't taking a massive hit in finances for this year to be a write-off. I think its put up or shut up year for him.

Also this won't be Wheelers team much longer either. Hes on the downside and has another year or two as a good player.

 

[Teemusalami204]

This year is most certainly not a wash imo. The team is spending cap money in a year where they are not having fans in the stands and are down major revenue. Chipman isn't taking a massive hit in finances for this year to be a write-off. I think its put up or shut up year for him.

Also this won't be Wheelers team much longer either. Hes on the downside and has another year or two as a good player.

What if we don’t spend littles ltir money ? Would that be different ???

Of coarse they are going to try and win it. There’s just so many easy excuses for Maurice if we shit the bed. That’s what I mean by a wash. There will be no accountability for a crappy year. Just more excuses

 

[surixon]

It’s very early. Perfetti could be a kuchurov lite or turn into an eberle and shy away from contact in The corner in game 7 and loses the game for us.

The only difference would be Edmonton tradeD eberle after that and we would keep Perfetti

I'm not sure why you think he's soft. He's been standing in front of the net all tournament taking a beating. He also has no issue taking a hit to make a play.

He isnt at all soft imo.

 

[Teemusalami204]

I'm not sure why you think he's soft. He's been standing in front of the net all tournament taking a beating. He also has no issue taking a hit to make a play.

He isnt at all soft imo.

When your small your soft in this league. Perrault runs around getting hurt because other players are stronger. Which makes him soft. The same will happen to Perfetti if he tries to play that way

 

[surixon]

What if we don’t spend littles ltir money ? Would that be different ???

Of coarse they are going to try and win it. There’s just so many easy excuses for Maurice if we shit the bed. That’s what I mean by a wash. There will be no accountability for a crappy year. Just more excuses

At some point Chipman will get tired of losing money and then excuses won't matter. Given that we have already spent some of Little's IR money i think its safe to say we are willing to spend a lot of money.

 

[Teemusalami204]

At some point Chipman will get tired of losing money and then excuses won't matter. Given that we have already spent some of Little's IR money i think its safe to say we are willing to spend a lot of money.

I hope he does get tired of it. Enough excuses around this team already

 

[Peggy]

This year is a wash. No matter what happens Maurice has excuses. Next year could be a wash as well if it’s a shortened weird season. It doesn’t take much more then one injury for Maurice to get a pass.

Maurice has till wheelers contract is done. I stand by this

This kind of mentality is why the Jets are this position..hopefully the Jets so some tenacity. Or they've wasted a ton of players prime time

 

[Aggie204]

Scheifele had skating issues, I’m not worried about it yet. He is not as close to making an impact in the NHL as I thought.

 

[jimsabo21]

Are you a Jets fan? If so, no wonder so many players want to leave Winnipeg as soon as they can and no free agents want to come there. Freezing cold, zero culture and fans that will bury you before you have played a single game. A wasted pick before he has gone to one NHL training camp? Pretty incredible. I would say we all were hoping for a bit more, but the piling on is ridiculous.
If he had capitalized on a couple of his chances and his line mates made good on half his set ups (he has created at least 4 breakaways for his line mates that none have scored on). he would be at 9 or 10 points and amongst the leaders on the team.

Please don't deteriorate the discourse with pure fabrications. Perfetti has not created four breakaways. He's created one. It was a pass to McMicheal after a steal whereby McMicheal tried to go through his legs and it didn't work out. Not every good pass "should have been" an assist. A breakaway is a 33% scoring play, not 100%.

I suggest you get the premium package from Elite Prospects. Mitch Brown has been tracking every WJC game and has projected point totals based on shot locations and 'dangerous passes' completed. On average, you have to complete 5-8 high danger passes to be credited with one assist. Perfetti is amongst the bottom for projected points per 60 at 5v5. Almost all is shots and pass completions have come on the Power Play.

By contrast, 2020 draft picks Holtz and Raymond (Sweden) led the tournament with 26 and 25 shots on goal. They combined for 3 goals. They *should have* had better luck considering the volume of opportunities they've created.

Perfetti has 11 shots on goal. One goal is about right.

I'm rooting hard for Perfetti. Absolutely love this style of player. But we need to be honest about this play.

 

[jimsabo21]

I agree. Go through the top 10 picks in this past draft one by one and analyze their impact on this tournament. Other than Stutzle I would say everyone of them has underperformed compared to their expectations coming in to this tournament. The reason for that is that expectations were too high for all of them. This is an 19 year old tournament, full stop. Very few 18 year olds dominate this event. I fully expect that he and the other top 10 picks that come back next year to be high impact players. Last WJC Trevor Zegras was a 4th liner for Team USA, this year he is the best player in the tournament.

Seriously, where do you come up with this stuff? This is again, pure fabrication and revisionist history.

Trevor Zegras WAS NOT A 4TH LINER at the WJC last year. He actually led USA in scoring with 9 pts in 5 games as an 18 year old.