Player Discussion: Cole Perfetti 10th OA pick

[Calcutta]

It's a sad state of affairs. Chevy has given pomo all the tools to succeed and he's blowing it.
Copp-Lowry-Vest could be one of the best 3rd lines in the league.
Perfetti in the top 6 is just too easy, let the kid have a chance at least while 26 is out. But no. I despair I really do.

 

[tbcwpg]

It's a sad state of affairs. Chevy has given pomo all the tools to succeed and he's blowing it.
Copp-Lowry-Vest could be one of the best 3rd lines in the league.
Perfetti in the top 6 is just too easy, let the kid have a chance at least while 26 is out. But no. I despair I really do.

It looks like the team wants Perfetti's contract to slide, which I'm ultimately fine with. Also playing a big role on what should be a very strong Moose team this year can't hurt.

I wish he got in against Minnesota though.

 

[surixon]

It looks like the team wants Perfetti's contract to slide, which I'm ultimately fine with. Also playing a big role on what should be a very strong Moose team this year can't hurt.

I wish he got in against Minnesota though.

With Mark now in the protocol you wonder if he cones back up. We are now desperately short on skill and well bodies in general.

 

[buyinnow]

Cole has looked ok. Keeping him with the Jets would be short sighted. He'll have more opportunity with the Moose.

 

[Adam da bomb]

Cole has looked ok. Keeping him with the Jets would be short sighted. He'll have more opportunity with the Moose.

He has looked ok with Lowry and stastny no easy feat for a top 6 guy.

 

[buyinnow]

Playing with Lowry and Stastny is no easy feat to play ok? give me a break.

 

[Finster8]

Cole is better off going to the Moose l definitely agree. As long as PM is there he has limited movement in the lineup. If more injuries come into play, he maybe gets a legitimate shot at proving himself. Otherwise, give him 2 of the better players and start to get proper TOI and PP on the Moose. They are going to be a competitive club and some depth. But to stick him in the press box or 4th line is a waste.

 

[tbcwpg]

Cole has looked ok. Keeping him with the Jets would be short sighted. He'll have more opportunity with the Moose.

With the team on the road he's the most likely call up, otherwise I'd assume Gus comes up. Of course, Maurice could just insert Toninato who apparently missed Moose practice yesterday and is rumoured to be coming up, and dress Beaulieu again as 11/7.

 

[surixon]

Playing with Lowry and Stastny is no easy feat to play ok? give me a break.

Lowry and Cole play completely different games and make completely different on ice reads so yes the fit was poor. Has nothing to do with how good a player Lowry is and everything to do with style of game. It was silly for Moe to try him with Lowry on his offwing.

Paul hasn't looked very good this year (Perhaps age has caught up with him) but he is the type of player you'd want Cole to learn from. He also looked quite poor with Adam as like Cole he is making very different reads.

 

[TS Quint]

I thought Perfetti was over powered but made it work against the Ducks. He seemed to find a way to move the puck where it needed to go.

Against the Sharks he just looked weak. They didn’t give him space and he just didn’t have the strength to deal with it. I’m alright sending him down.

 

[surixon]

I thought Perfetti was over powered but made it work against the Ducks. He seemed to find a way to move the puck where it needed to go.

Against the Sharks he just looked weak. They didn’t give him space and he just didn’t have the strength to deal with it. I’m alright sending him down.

I thought he was fine in the first period against the Sharks but faded like the rest of the team.

I'm also fine with sending him down but would have liked to have used him in a more offensive role so that the coaches could see what he could do there incase they run into a bunchnof top 6 injuries later in the season.

Just a FYI he looked similar when he first started with the Moose and then figured it out as the season went on last year.

I have no doubt he would likely have done the same on the Jets.

 

[Kg810]

I thought Perfetti was over powered but made it work against the Ducks. He seemed to find a way to move the puck where it needed to go.

Against the Sharks he just looked weak. They didn’t give him space and he just didn’t have the strength to deal with it. I’m alright sending him down.

I didn't watch, but I guess his edgework isn't any special either?

Just for comparison sake, Eklund, who is basically identical in height and weight as Perfetti is capable of playing against bigger bodies because he is so competent in his edgework. With his awareness he's able to dodge hits or skate around players with relative ease. I think Perfetti has great awareness too so maybe Perfetti can eventually get there without having to get physically stronger.

 

[surixon]

I didn't watch, but I guess his edgework isn't any special either?

Just for comparison sake, Eklund, who is basically identical in height and weight as Perfetti is capable of playing against bigger bodies because he is so competent in his edgework. With his awareness he's able to dodge hits or skate around players with relative ease. I think Perfetti has great awareness too so maybe Perfetti can eventually get there without having to get physically stronger.

Cole has extremely good edge work actually and has a low center of gravity so is tough to take the puck from. All that needed to happen was for him to get used to the game speed of the NHL imo.

Maurice wants to win and not develop though so he wasn't going to give him time to acclimatize.

 

[LowLefty]

Lowry and Cole play completely different games and make completely different on ice reads so yes the fit was poor. Has nothing to do with how good a player Lowry is and everything to do with style of game. It was silly for Moe to try him with Lowry on his offwing.

Paul hasn't looked very good this year (Perhaps age has caught up with him) but he is the type of player you'd want Cole to learn from. He also looked quite poor with Adam as like Cole he is making very different reads.

When he's out there with Lowry, he"s probably there to learn how to hussle and play a little D.
Nobodies lining Perfetti up with defensive centers to perfect their "reads" - these two were never intended to fit.

Cole's time in the bottom six likely helped him in areas the Moose would not - such as playing a role that is not what he would necessarily "like" to play or be expected to play when his time comes.
But that time with Lowry will help him break into the line up when the time comes -

 

[surixon]

When he's out there with Lowry, he"s probably there to learn how to hussle and play a little D.
Nobodies lining Perfetti up with defensive centers to perfect their "reads" - these two were never intended to fit.

Cole's time in the bottom six likely helped him in areas the Moose would not - such as playing a role that is not what he would necessarily "like" to play or be expected to play when his time comes.
But that time with Lowry will help him break into the line up when the time comes -

I'm sure it did help him. NHL minutes where always going to help him. That doesn't mean he was put in an optimal spot for a young player of his talents to be put in.

His defensive reads and zone exits were all fine before and during his stint so it's not like 2 games magically told him how to defend better. Actually given how this team defends under Maurice he probably learned bad habits.

Where things fell apart was offensively were both were on different pages and as such didn't click and the team suffered for it.

I'm getting a bit sick of this notion Moe has right now where kids seemingly have to complete some dumb right of passage in roles they aren't suited for before they are eligible to advance. What exactly is he trying to do outside of purposefully makeing his roster less effective. I could understand if we had a full and healthy top 6 and some highly functional PP units.l but no we had suspensions and illness and ineffectiveness in our top 6 and on the pp so it would have been a great time to give him a shot there to see what the kid could do in a role he is being groomed to play. But no we have to trot out pp wizards like Lowry and Nash instead of giving a player who excels on the pp at every level he's played at a shot.

Quite frankly Moe's player integration has gone to shit since he was forced to play the youth in 17-18.

 

[Romang67]

Bealieau isn't playing as our 7th D over Perfetti because Perfetti had insufficient reads on D and/or needed to learn the physical game at the AHL level to contribute in the NHL.

 

[snowkiddin]

Bealieau isn't playing as our 7th D over Perfetti because Perfetti had insufficient reads on D and/or needed to learn the physical game at the AHL level to contribute in the NHL.

Ha, I’d love to hear Maurice’s reasoning! Someone in the media should ask him

 

[DRW204]

Ha, I’d love to hear Maurice’s reasoning! Someone in the media should ask him

imagine, a media actually asking him a pertinent question like that

I'm sure it did help him. NHL minutes where always going to help him. That doesn't mean he was put in an optimal spot for a young player of his talents to be put in.

His defensive reads and zone exits were all fine before and during his stint so it's not like 2 games magically told him how to defend better. Actually given how this team defends under Maurice he probably learned bad habits.

Where things fell apart was offensively were both were on different pages and as such didn't click and the team suffered for it.

I'm getting a bit sick of this notion Moe has right now where kids seemingly have to complete some dumb right of passage in roles they aren't suited for before they are eligible to advance. What exactly is he trying to do outside of purposefully makeing his roster less effective. I could understand if we had a full and healthy top 6 and some highly functional PP units.l but no we had suspensions and illness and ineffectiveness in our top 6 and on the pp so it would have been a great time to give him a shot there to see what the kid could do in a role he is being groomed to play. But no we have to trot out pp wizards like Lowry and Nash instead of giving a player who excels on the pp at every level he's played at a shot.

Quite frankly Moe's player integration has gone to shit since he was forced to play the youth in 17-18.

maurice's version of good def. is relying on guys like scheifele, connor, wheeler, morrissey, beealieu, poolman et al (our usual top line or top d group last year).

perfetti will make mistakes, same mistakes almost everyone on our team makes. however, his offensive potential, capabilities of helping a PP, is superior to like half the fwd group?

 

[Thechozen1]

I thought he was fine in the first period against the Sharks but faded like the rest of the team.

I'm also fine with sending him down but would have liked to have used him in a more offensive role so that the coaches could see what he could do there incase they run into a bunchnof top 6 injuries later in the season.

Just a FYI he looked similar when he first started with the Moose and then figured it out as the season went on last year.

I have no doubt he would likely have done the same on the Jets.

The unfortunate part is no matter how many injuries arise in the top 6, I suspect that everyone else with more NHL/AHL tenure would get bumped up, leaving Cole to his 3rd line role.

 

[surixon]

imagine, a media actually asking him a pertinent question like that



maurice's version of good def. is relying on guys like scheifele, connor, wheeler, morrissey, beealieu, poolman et al (our usual top line or top d group last year).

perfetti will make mistakes, same mistakes almost everyone on our team makes. however, his offensive potential, capabilities of helping a PP, is superior to like half the fwd group?

Well Murat was going to ask something along those lines but forgot or something.

 

[tbcwpg]

imagine, a media actually asking him a pertinent question like that



maurice's version of good def. is relying on guys like scheifele, connor, wheeler, morrissey, beealieu, poolman et al (our usual top line or top d group last year).

perfetti will make mistakes, same mistakes almost everyone on our team makes. however, his offensive potential, capabilities of helping a PP, is superior to like half the fwd group?

They did ask Maurice. He said Perfetti had a very good camp and earned his debut but that it was always the plan for Perfetti to go to the Moose and develop. The draft and develop model in action.

 

[DRW204]

They did ask Maurice. He said Perfetti had a very good camp and earned his debut but that it was always the plan for Perfetti to go to the Moose and develop. The draft and develop model in action.

oh so even perfetti put up 3goals or w/e during this past couple games maurice wouldn't have him in

gosh

 

[surixon]

oh so even perfetti put up 3goals or w/e during this past couple games maurice wouldn't have him in

gosh

I'm sure Chevy told him to keep him up and put him in much like with Ville last year. If it was up to Moe Toninato would have broken camp with the team.

 

[Romang67]

They did ask Maurice. He said Perfetti had a very good camp and earned his debut but that it was always the plan for Perfetti to go to the Moose and develop. The draft and develop model in action.

It's certainly a draft and develop model.

 

[DRW204]

I'm sure Chevy told him to keep him up and put him in much like with Ville last year. If it was up to Moe Toninato would have broken camp with the team.

well it seems like according the post and summary of mauirce's presser, it didnt matter how perfetti performed he was never going to be on the team past last game.