Player Discussion Cole Caufield: The little man with the big future.

[sandviper]

Lets Hypothetically close the thread in our heads and pretend it was never created

Hypothetically close? Just lock this up NOW!

 

[Nicko999]

I would trade Caufield, Suzuki AND our 1st round pick for Connor Bedard.

Other than that no... even Caufield for the 2nd overall is not worth it.

Yes, Connor Bedard is THAT good.

 

[Kimota]

 

[Habs]

I would trade Caufield, Suzuki AND our 1st round pick for Connor Bedard.

Other than that no... even Caufield for the 2nd overall is not worth it.

Yes, Connor Bedard is THAT good.

who knows kid may also be the next Ray Whitney or Wickenheiser WHL legend that never lived up to expectations. Also if you give up all that, who is Bedard going to pass to? Armia? lol

 

[Hoochi Papa]

Why not suzuki + caufield + dach + slafkovsky for mcdavid and draisaitl

McDavid on suicide watch after playing with Gallagher and Hoffman.

 

[HuGort]

On the million to one likelihood that this is a possibility what would the potential return be ?
example -

NY islanders
RD Noah Dodson
1st pick 2023 draft (12th or so overall)

What you mean flip the pick in a Dach type trade? For a Debrinkat type? Then take Caufield 8-9 million sign him long term. Net Habs a Dobson

 

[SlafySZN]

 

[Whalers Fan]

Won this signed 8x10 photo of Cole Caufield at tonight's US NTDP game.

 

[LesHabitants]

At this point I'm gonna have to go less than 30.

 

[SlafySZN]

At this point I'm gonna have to go less than 30.

He could probably still play and score with his left arm lol

 

[LesHabitants]

He could probably still play and score with his left arm lol

Yeah but let's let him rest and come back strong next year and score 60.

 

[Tetragrammaton]

On the million to one likelihood that this is a possibility what would the potential return be ?
example -

NY islanders
RD Noah Dodson
1st pick 2023 draft (12th or so overall)

 

[SlafySZN]

 

[Kudo Shinichi]

Awesome contract for the Sabres

This contract and the Boldy one should help make Caufield's contract have a lesser aav

 

[Wats]

Awesome contract for the Sabres

This contract and the Boldy one should help make Caufield's contract have a lesser aav

Anything around/under 7.5M would be a win.

 

[417]

Awesome contract for the Sabres

This contract and the Boldy one should help make Caufield's contract have a lesser aav

I don’t see the connection between Cozens deal and Caufield.

Caufield is/has been more productive and projects as a more productive player.

I continue to say, on an 8yr deal…8-8.5M is where it’s going to settle.

 

[Kudo Shinichi]

I don’t see the connection between Cozens deal and Caufield.

Caufield is/has been more productive and projects as a more productive player.

I continue to say, on an 8yr deal…8-8.5M is where it’s going to settle.

Cozens is 6'3 2-way center that is producing at a 0.88 ppg this season.
Caufield has produced at a 0.78 ppg this season.
Not sure how Caufield has been more productive.

Cozens is projected to become a ppg #1 center. They have the same ppg offensive potential.

 

[417]

Cozens is 6'3 2-way center that is producing at a 0.88 ppg this season.
Caufield has produced at a 0.78 ppg this season.
Not sure how Caufield has been more productive.

Cozens is projected to become a ppg #1 center. They have the same ppg offensive potential.

Cozens

169 games

34 goals 60 assists for 94pts

Caufield

123 games

53 goals 31 assists 84pts

Not suggesting Cozens isn’t a good player, he is, but there’s no way Caufield is signing that kind of deal.

 

[Redux91]

I don’t see the connection between Cozens deal and Caufield.

Caufield is/has been more productive and projects as a more productive player.

I continue to say, on an 8yr deal…8-8.5M is where it’s going to settle.

There's definitely SOME connection, as strange as it might seem objectively.
Cozens, Boldy, Caufield and even Dach are the 2019 class
You may think that bears 0 importance, but in the contract negotiations , it absolutely will be brought up

The fact the 8th OV pick who's producing better than Caufield got 7.1M is definitely a "help" for us when it'll come to dollars owed
First the Boldy contract helped, and now this one helps, even just a bit, but it'll still be above 7.5+ for Caufield, there's NO doubt about that

(I'd like to also mention if Caufield gets 8.5 or even 9, it's certainly not the end of the world, especially since it most importantly would mean an 8 year contract which is what we should want more than anything.
I'm merely speaking from a super conservative penny pinching POV just for the sake of it lol, where saving 1-2 off the cap for a while probably doesn't help worth a lick, BUT whenever we get into an ottawa/winnipeg scenario where we round up a bunch of talent and they all get 8 mill a year, THATS where the extra 1-2 potentially saved off a bargain CC deal comes in handy..IF it came to it.... but we are SOOO far from that right now lol, a good 2-3 years from that possible "problem")

It's so obvious it'll be 8x8.5, and 0 problem with that, but if news of it came out potentially being 7.5 or 8, it wouldn't surprise me either

 

[Kudo Shinichi]

Cozens

169 games

34 goals 60 assists for 94pts

Caufield

123 games

53 goals 31 assists 84pts

Not suggesting Cozens isn’t a good player, he is, but there’s no way Caufield is signing that kind of deal.

You can't be seriously using the stats the players had two years ago in their rookie season to justify why a player should have a bigger contract than the other. Especially, when the player today is a hundred times better than he was 2 years ago.

Even last season shouldn't matter. Both Cozens and Caufield are very young and were high drafted players. This season alone + potential is enough for Cozens to get that 7 years x 7.1 M contract. What he did the previous 2 seasons matters very little.

Tage Thompson signed a 7 years x 7.1 M contract after 1 good season at the age of 24. His career-best prior to that season was 14 pts.

 

[417]

You can't be seriously using the stats the players had two years ago in their rookie season to justify why a player should have a bigger contract than the other. Especially, when the player today is a hundred times better than he was 2 years ago.

What do you think agents/GMs negotiate contracts on?

You think it’s just based strictly on current year?

They’re negotiating a LONG TERM contract, I promise you the entirety of their careers will be considered, not just 40 odd games this season.

Even last season shouldn't matter. Both Cozens and Caufield are very young and were high drafted players. This season alone + potential is enough for Cozens to get that 7 years x 7.1 M contract. What he did the previous 2 seasons matters very little.

Again, I think it’s silly to suggest last year won’t matter. They’re not negotiating a long term deal on a short sample, the long term deal is based on

A. What they’ve accomplished so far

B. What they’re projected to accomplish moving forward

C. Cap increase projections

Tage Thompson signed a 7 years x 7.1 M contract after 1 good season at the age of 24. His career-best prior to that season was 14 pts.

See above

But you raise Thompson (which if he signs for 8 years his contract is over 8M btw)

I could raise Josh Norris…he’s over 8M.

Either way, 7.5 or 8 or 8.5M…who really cares

 

[Runner77]

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[Kudo Shinichi]

What do you think agents/GMs negotiate contracts on?

You think it’s just based strictly on current year?

They’re negotiating a LONG TERM contract, I promise you the entirety of their careers will be considered, not just 40 odd games this season.

Again, I think it’s silly to suggest last year won’t matter. They’re not negotiating a long term deal on a short sample, the long term deal is based on

A. What they’ve accomplished so far

B. What they’re projected to accomplish moving forward

C. Cap increase projections

When talking about kids who only have a couple of seasons played and are clearly better than then they were before, what they did in the previous years matters very little.

Why would the Sabres GM bring up to discussion the 13 pts Cozens scored as 19 year old when Cozens as a 21-year-old is near ppg. It makes 0 sense. Cozens is clearly not the 13 pts player he was back then anymore.

See above

But you raise Thompson (which if he signs for 8 years his contract is over 8M btw)

I could raise Josh Norris…he’s over 8M.

Either way, 7.5 or 8 or 8.5M…who really cares

So why did Thompson get such a big contract?
He had 103 pts in 223 games when he signed the contract. That's an average of 38 pts per season. Why did he get a similar contract to Boldy who averages a pace of 64 pts/82 games in his career?

 

[Captain Mountain]

I don’t see the connection between Cozens deal and Caufield.

Caufield is/has been more productive and projects as a more productive player.

I continue to say, on an 8yr deal…8-8.5M is where it’s going to settle.

I'm not sure I agree.

Cozens and Caufield are both 2019 draft choices who have had success at the NHL level in their young careers.

And while Caufield has been more productive, I'm not sure he projects as being more productive. To say nothing of the size/frame difference and the fact that thus far in their careers Cozen's has been pretty good defenzively and Caufield has been awful.

I suspect Montreal wants to keep Caufield's AAV at or below Suzuki's. This is another data point in their favour.

 

[417]

When talking about kids who only have a couple of seasons played and are clearly better than then they were before, what they did in the previous years matters very little.

Well it’s part of the overall picture, how much it matters is certainly debatable…I’ll agree that in this particular context, what Caufield will do in the future is more important than what he’s done.

Why would the Sabres GM bring up to discussion the 13 pts Cozens scored as 19 year old when Cozens as a 21-year-old is near ppg. It makes 0 sense. Cozens is clearly not the 13 pts player he was back then anymore.

Again, the context I was providing was to indicate that it’s part of the entire picture.

So why did Thompson get such a big contract?
He had 103 pts in 223 games when he signed the contract. That's an average of 38 pts per season. Why did he get a similar contract to Boldy who averages a pace of 64 pts/82 games in his career?

I fully understand that his contract was largely based on the previous year where he scored 41 goals.

This discussion started because someone said that Cozens production was higher than Caufield’s, I just provided the context of the entirety of their careers to show that Caufield has actually been more productive, so for me Cozens deal has little impact on what Caufield might get.