Player Discussion Cole Caufield: The little man with the big future.

[The Great Weal]

Yeah crazy how some people actually back up what they’re saying. What a concept…

You let me know when you do that then because that has yet to happen. Everytime it’s me proving you horribly wrong and you resorting to “I’m done talking to you” until the next argument I embarrass you in.

 

[417]

I forgot I was talking to hockeyDB statwatching expert. How can you be a Habs fan and not see how dominant Suzuki has been lmao.

Could ask the same about you and Caufield lol.

Apparently you think goals aren't that valuable, which is fair, but I think agents, players and teams know just how valuable that skill is.

 

[The Great Weal]

Apparently you think goals aren't that valuable

...I've literally never said that. Are you sure you are replying to me and not someone else?

 

[Lafleurs Guy]

New Caufield vs Suzuki thread is up. Please continue that discussion over there.

Thanks.

 

[Draft]

He was drafted as a 5'7 170lb goal scoring phenom.

Playing along the boards was never and is never going to be his strength.

Doesn't need to be a strength, it just needs to be a solid part of his game. He loses way too many 50/50 battles and not just from being outmuscled. It's been improving since last season but it still needs to get better if he wants to be a guy we can put out in all situations and with varying linemates.

 

[JoelWarlord]

People just always get nervous about their teams paying their players.

Go in the Suzuki thread, see how many folks were ready to jump off the ledge after he signed his extension. It was the same “prove it first” talk you're seeing here.

Yeah absolutely. I'm of the opinion that in a hard cap league you have to take sensible risks and try to lock in players you project will outperform the number you sign them to. To me the entire conversation about "prove it first" is not really about proving it, it's about risk tolerance.

It's perfectly reasonable to have a lower tolerance for risk and want to wait until your players prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that they're special before you pay them accordingly, and some teams have been successful (Boston) operating that way. The paradox is that the risk-averse contract strategy in a hard cap league can often be riskier in the long term if it means you're paying UFA sticker price on all your core players.

 

[417]

Yeah absolutely. I'm of the opinion that in a hard cap league you have to take sensible risks and try to lock in players you project will outperform the number you sign them to. To me the entire conversation about "prove it first" is not really about proving it, it's about risk tolerance.

It can't be if you're negotiating over the long term for a 2nd year contract.

I mean what are you going to do, force 2nd year players to sign long term for 8 years based on what they've proven so far?

Jack Hughes had 52pts in 117 games when he signed his contract, based on this "prove it first" theory, he should have signed for 8 years at 3.5M!!!!????

It's perfectly reasonable to have a lower tolerance for risk and want to wait until your players prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that they're special before you pay them accordingly, and some teams have been successful (Boston) operating that way. The paradox is that the risk-averse contract strategy in a hard cap league can often be riskier in the long term if it means you're paying UFA sticker price on all your core players.

Basically...I think when you identify core players, you pay them.

I don't see what the issue is here personally...if there's 2 players who provide cost certain or anything close to it.

Its both Suzuki and Caufield.

 

[McGuires Corndog]

Look around the NHL...there are countless played who has signed long term 8M+ deals having done LESS than Caufield has.

He's got PLENTY of arguments.

Nevermind that any negotiation on a long term deal, is based on what he can do long term and less what he’s done up to now

Which btw is only

- be one of the NHL's top goal scorers since MSL toon over.

- 4th most goals in MONTREAL CANADIENS HISTORY over their first 100 games.

How can anyone seriously argue he has not arguments to make more than 8M? Have you been paying attention to the rest of the league lately?

Kaprizov is not the comparable...

Josh Norris
Jason Robertson
Tim Stutzle
Tage Thompson

Just to name a few, are though.

12M? Lol who said that

Your original statement said 8M or more.

You'd trade Caufiekd if he wanted 8.25M for example?

Come on man lol


He's still trending to have the best goal scoring season this organization has had since the mid-90s.

So he might not score 50 goals

But 35-40? And 70pts?

That's 8M territory

I have no issue paying Caufield 8-8.5m for his current production, no argument from me.

 

[FrankMTL]

So in the 63 games since MSL took over, Caufield has 37 goals and 22 assists for 59 points.

 

[Bombshell11]

Body language, i'm not a fan.

Scored a goal last night and then proceeded to spin twice (like a balerina almost) before celebrating with his teammates. Thats not a normal goal celebration. That looked weird, seems like he's fighting demons.

 

[SlafySZN]

delete

 

[Bombshell11]

demons told him, at 40 goals i’ll leave you alone

Come on now lol what is this post.

you're chasing a playoff spot here, You think its normal to not celebrate a goal that gives your team the lead

jesus mary joseph, some people man i swear they're so full of themselfs

 

[417]

you're chasing a playoff spot here, You think its normal to not celebrate a goal that gives your team the lead

jesus mary joseph, some people man i swear they're so full of themselfs

I gotta say...I can never tell if you're serious or trolling.

You've mastered the art of keeping people guessing lol

I rate it.

 

[OldCraig71]

you're chasing a playoff spot here, You think its normal to not celebrate a goal that gives your team the lead

jesus mary joseph, some people man i swear they're so full of themselfs

Dude! Are you okay?

 

[Bombshell11]

I gotta say...I can never tell if you're serious or trolling.

You've mastered the art of keeping people guessing lol

I rate it.

it was an observation

is it illegal to describe what you see?

 

[417]

it was an observation

As was my post.

is it illegal to describe what you see?

Where did you see me critcize your comment?

I said you've mastered the art of keeping people guessing lol.

Sheesh, tough crowd man.

Tip - Next time Christian Dvorak scores a goal, leave the room.

 

[Naslundforever]

you're chasing a playoff spot here, You think its normal to not celebrate a goal that gives your team the lead

jesus mary joseph, some people man i swear they're so full of themselfs

Might be trying to be cool like Big D Suzuki… edit they all know goals by the buckets are going to keep going both ways too probably. Gone are the days of the « nah nah nah hey hey goodbye » halfway through the 3rd on a one goal lead I guess

 

[Habs 4 Life]

So in the 63 games since MSL took over, Caufield has 37 goals and 22 assists for 59 points.

Bring Ducharme back to lower his next contract lol

 

[Bombshell11]

As was my post.

Where did you see me critcize your comment?

I said you've mastered the art of keeping people guessing lol.

Sheesh, tough crowd man.

Tip - Next time Christian Dvorak scores a goal, leave the room.

Like your first comment was about me and not about the content of my post.

im not a habs hockey player either, why criticize me? We're just here to discuss habs... so i thought, not the posters.


I dint insult Caule either

 

[Supersonic]

Delete…

 

[The Gr8 Dane]

Not everybody can be cool and not give a F like huge dong nick. They just don't build humans like him very often

I welcome Caufields childish enthousiasm. Reminds me of Ovechkin celly's sometimes..... just 200 pounds lighter and a few inches shorter

 

[SlafySZN]

 

[417]

Like your first comment was about me and not about the content of my post.

Yes, I complimented your ability to keep people guessing with the tone of your posts.

im not a habs hockey player either, why criticize me? We're just here to discuss habs... so i thought, not the posters.


I dint insult Caule either

I did no such thing.

 

[SlafySZN]

Not everybody can be cool and not give a F like huge dong nick. They just don't build humans like him very often

I welcome Caufields childish enthousiasm. Reminds me of Ovechkin celly's sometimes..... just 200 pounds lighter and a few inches shorter

I love how he celebrate his goals lol he has bigger reactions when it’s an important goal in a game, and he’s always as genuinely happy for other teammates. He’s the one who picked the puck for Kovacevic last night.

 

[Redux91]

People just always get nervous about their teams paying their players.

Go in the Suzuki thread, see how many folks were ready to jump off the ledge after he signed his extension. It was the same “prove it first” talk you're seeing here.

But today that contract is a more than market value.

It's going to be the same with Caufield.

Signing Suzuki and Caufield to a potential combined 16 Million$ per,

While Leafs will have to offer Matthews 16.3 Million$ alone to desperately keep him lmao

Feels great man.