Player Discussion Cole Caufield: The little man with the big future.

[Belial]

Suzuki wasn’t as good as Cole at 21. And there’s many things i like more about Cole as a player than Suzuki but that’s another subject.

the comparative for his contract isn’t Suzuki, it’s other players in the league. He probably won’t get more than 8 anyway, since he is a winger, not a center and doesn’t play PK.

Cole wouldn't be putting up these numbers without Suzuki.

As soon as Suzuki has a subpar game that line is dead and producing absolutely nothing.

 

[The Great Weal]

Suzuki wasn’t as good as Cole at 21. And there’s many things i like more about Cole as a player than Suzuki but that’s another subject.

the comparative for his contract isn’t Suzuki, it’s other players in the league. He probably won’t get more than 8 anyway, since he is a winger, not a center and doesn’t play PK.

Suzuki never had Dach and Suzuki type players to play with. I mean the guy was controlling the game whether it was playing with Thompson and Cousins on the 4th line, Drouin and Armia in the playoffs, and now with Caufield and Dach.

What are the many things he does better than Suzuki? I don’t see that many.

 

[SlafySZN]

Cole wouldn't be putting up these numbers without Suzuki.

As soon as Suzuki has a subpar game that line is dead and producing absolutely nothing.

Suzuki wouldn’t put those numbers without him either. That’s how it is when you put your only 2 good players together.

Let’s say the habs draft one of Bedard, Fantilli, Carlsson. Suzuki becomes 2C, Cole is still a first line winger.

 

[Belial]

Suzuki wouldn’t put those numbers without him either. That’s how it is when you put your only 2 good players together.

Let’s say the habs draft one of Bedard, Fantilli, Carlsson. Suzuki becomes 2C, Cole is still a first line winger.

It's still Suzuki that drives that line and not Cole.

I believe your play drivers should be the most-paid forwards on the team.

 

[SlafySZN]

Suzuki never had Dach and Suzuki type players to play with. I mean the guy was controlling the game whether it was playing with Thompson and Cousins on the 4th line, Drouin and Armia in the playoffs, and now with Caufield and Dach.

What are the many things he does better than Suzuki? I don’t see that many.

Suzuki isn’t usually the type of C that fits well with Caufield’s game and Cole still showing he could score 50.

Suzuki isn’t the type of C who plays the middle, cutting through the middle to make plays, his wingers has to do it to help him.

 

[SlafySZN]

It's still Suzuki that drives that line and not Cole.

I believe your play drivers should be the most-paid forwards on the team.

Suzuki is not a play driver though, Caufield has to carry the puck sometimes to help him.

Suzuki is not a center who cuts through the middle to make plays, that’s a play driver for me. Cole would be even better with a different type of center. I’m not saying Suzuki is bad by the way lol he’s an awesome player. Just that in terms of playing style they are not that much alike and Cole still show what he can and could do.

 

[The Great Weal]

Suzuki isn’t usually the type of C that fits well with Caufield’s game and Cole still showing he could score 50.

Suzuki isn’t the type of C who plays the middle, cutting through the middle to make plays, his wingers has to do it to help him.

Suzuki has been a massive benefit for CC and he is a master at entering the zone through the middle and making a great pass to a teammate.

Again, I love CC but Suzuki dominates and takes control of the game at a whole new level. As for your he doesn't get over 8 since he's a winger that doesn't PK, Kaprizov is a winger that doesn't PK and is getting paid 9 but unlike CC he frequently dominates the game.

I hope Cole likes it here and doesn't want to flee to the US because he might not like the contract he gets offered for 8 years here.

 

[Belial]

Suzuki is not a play driver though, Caufield has to carry the puck sometimes to help him.

Suzuki is not a center who cuts through the middle to make plays, that’s a play driver for me. Cole would be even better with a different type of center. I’m not saying Suzuki is bad by the way lol he’s an awesome player. Just that in terms of playing style they are not that much alike and Cole still show what he can and could do.

That's a bold opinion... Suzuki is great at slowing down the play in possession of the puck and finding passing lines.

That's like the epitome of driving the play.

Cole might help with getting the puck in the offensive zone sometimes but it will still eventually end up on Suzuki's tape so that he can make THE play.

 

[SlafySZN]

Suzuki has been a massive benefit for CC and he is a master at entering the zone through the middle and making a great pass to a teammate.

Again, I love CC but Suzuki dominates and takes control of the game at a whole new level. As for your he doesn't get over 8 since he's a winger that doesn't PK, Kaprizov is a winger that doesn't PK and is getting paid 9 but unlike CC he frequently dominates the game.

I hope Cole likes it here and doesn't want to flee to the US because he might not like the contract he gets offered for 8 years here.

He’s not the type of center that cuts through the middle and challenge defenders to make plays on the rush. He maybe does it on the PP on zone entries. He likes to slow down the play 5 on 5 and it’s not Cole’s game but he still finds way to show himself.

If Cole scores 40-45 goals he’ll for sure gets between 7.8 and 8m, as he is still getting better, nowhere near his ceiling now.

 

[The Great Weal]

That's a bold opinion... Suzuki is great at slowing down the play in possession of the puck and finding passing lines.

That's like the epitome of driving the play.

Cole might help with getting the puck in the offensive zone sometimes but it will still eventually end up on Suzuki's tape so that he can make THE play.

Besides shiftiness, straight line speed, and shot (and I wouldn't even be surprised if Suzuki and CC have similar goal totals in a season) I don't see what CC has over Suzuki. To say that Suzuki is not that type of center is odd, he's elite at it.

He’s not the type of center that cuts through the middle and challenge defenders to make plays on the rush. He maybe does it on the PP on zone entries. He likes to slow down the play 5 on 5 and it’s not Cole’s game but he still finds way to show himself.

If Cole scores 40-45 goals he’ll for sure gets between 7.8 and 8m, as he is still getting better, nowhere near his ceiling now.

Slowing down the play is not a bad thing when he can zip a perfect pass to CC who is wide open looking at an empty net.

If Cole does it for more then one season then sure, but not after 1 season.

 

[SlafySZN]

That's a bold opinion... Suzuki is great at slowing down the play in possession of the puck and finding passing lines.

That's like the epitome of driving the play.

Cole might help with getting the puck in the offensive zone sometimes but it will still eventually end up on Suzuki's tape so that he can make THE play.

My point in all of that is Cole’s contract won’t be compared to Suzuki’s, as they are not signing it at the same time in their career, Cole will sign as a probably near 40 goals scorer 70 + points player and many young players signed big contracts since Suzuki signed his. But anyway we’re arguing for nothing, i think he gets the same money Suzuki does.

 

[Belial]

My point in all of that is Cole’s contract won’t be compared to Suzuki’s, as they are not signing it at the same time in their career, Cole will sign as a probably near 40 goals scorer 70 + points player and many young players signed big contract since Suzuki signed his. But anyway we’re arguing for nothing, i think he gets the same money Suzuki does.

He will sign for a slightly less salary per year than Suzuki. My prediction.

 

[The Great Weal]

He will sign for a slightly less salary per year than Suzuki. My prediction.

I'm expecting 7.5 but not sure how many years. 8 if he loves it here and maximum 4 if he wants to go to the states.

 

[Belial]

I'm expecting 7.5 but not sure how many years. 8 if he loves it here and maximum 4 if he wants to go to the states.

might sign for 7 years so that they both go UFA's with Suzy simultaneously...

 

[SlafySZN]

He will sign for a slightly less salary per year than Suzuki. My prediction.

Yeah, hard to predict.

Josh Norris in Ottawa is a center but he got a 7.95m contract

Suzuki is at 7.87m

Will be around that.

 

[Belial]

Yeah, hard to predict.

Josh Norris in Ottawa is a center but he got a 7.95m contract

Suzuki is at 7.87m

Will be around that.

The main reason Cole will not get more than Suzy it's cuz he's not as well rounded and of course the center/winger factor.

 

[Lafleurs Guy]

Suzuki never had Dach and Suzuki type players to play with. I mean the guy was controlling the game whether it was playing with Thompson and Cousins on the 4th line, Drouin and Armia in the playoffs, and now with Caufield and Dach.

What are the many things he does better than Suzuki? I don’t see that many.

Suzuki had Tafoli didn’t he?

Makes no sense to compare 21 vs 23 year olds. And there’s no way CC doesn’t warrant the same cash. He’s already pacing for close to 50 goals. In two years CC is going to be an absolute monster.

50 goal man. Book it. He’s absolutely worth that cash. And in a few years he’d be a bargain at that price.

The main reason Cole will not get more than Suzy it's cuz he's not as well rounded and of course the center/winger factor.

I have little doubt he’ll make the same as Suzuki at least. The real question is whether or not he wants to hold out for more. Because he certainly has the talent to warrant doing that.

 

[Belial]

Suzuki had Tafoli didn’t he?

Makes no sense to compare 21 vs 23 year olds. And there’s no way CC doesn’t warrant the same cash. He’s already pacing for close to 50 goals. In two years CC is going to be an absolute monster.

50 goal man. Book it. He’s absolutely worth that cash. And in a few years he’d be a bargain at that price.


I have little doubt he’ll make the same as Suzuki at least. The real question is whether or not he wants to hold out for more. Because he certainly has the talent to warrant doing that.

A center will always be worth more than a winger.

 

[Lafleurs Guy]

A center will always be worth more than a winger.

Who’s worth more Oates or Hull?

Goal scoring is the single most valuable skill in the game.

 

[Belial]

Who’s worth more Oates or Hull?

Goal scoring is the single most valuable skill in the game.

The goalscorer will never thrive without a center that can feed him the puck.

 

[Lafleurs Guy]

The goalscorer will never thrive without a center that can feed him the puck.

Caufield will thrive no matter what.

It’s oversimplifying things to say a Center is better and say it always applies. Of course it doesn’t.

Richard
Howe
Lafleur
Jagr
Ovechkin

At several points in the league’s history a winger was (or at least arguably was) the best player in the league.

No team would’ve taken Oates over Hull or Trottier over Bossy. They were great centers but goalscoring is a premium skill. Given good ice time and a decent centre CC will likely be a 50 goal man no matter what. Yes it helps greatly to have a good center but CC has broken scoring records throughout his minor league career.

Suzuki is solid. A strong two way player with good upside. But CC is a potential superstar. Much higher ceiling than Nick has. They’ll help each other along the way but CC is the more valuable asset.

 

[Belial]

Caufield will thrive no matter what.

It’s oversimplifying things to say a Center is better and say it always applies. Of course it doesn’t.

Richard
Howe
Lafleur
Jagr
Ovechkin

At several points in the league’s history a winger was (or at least arguably was) the best player in the league.

No team would’ve taken Oates over Hull or Trottier over Bossy. They were great centers but goalscoring is a premium skill. Given good ice time and a decent centre CC will likely be a 50 goal man no matter what. Yes it helps greatly to have a good center but CC has broken scoring records throughout his minor league career.

Suzuki is solid. A strong two way player with good upside. But CC is a potential superstar. Much higher ceiling than Nick has. They’ll help each other along the way but CC is the more valuable asset.

Yeah ok...

So how come he was lost under Ducharme but Suzuki was still producing?

 

[Estimated_Prophet]

Caufield will thrive no matter what.

It’s oversimplifying things to say a Center is better and say it always applies. Of course it doesn’t.

Richard
Howe
Lafleur
Jagr
Ovechkin

At several points in the league’s history a winger was (or at least arguably was) the best player in the league.

No team would’ve taken Oates over Hull or Trottier over Bossy. They were great centers but goalscoring is a premium skill. Given good ice time and a decent centre CC will likely be a 50 goal man no matter what. Yes it helps greatly to have a good center but CC has broken scoring records throughout his minor league career.

Suzuki is solid. A strong two way player with good upside. But CC is a potential superstar. Much higher ceiling than Nick has. They’ll help each other along the way but CC is the more valuable asset.

I think there is often too much emphasis put on offensive totals when discussing upside.

Suzuki will always be better than Cole in every single aspect of the game other than shooting and perhaps skating but Nick is also a great shooter and while not having Caufield's quickness is still incredibly allusive and much stronger on his skates. Away from the puck it is no contest and I value this much more than the average fan. I see "upside" as the ceiling that a player's overall impact can rise to and Nick is already well ahead of Cole and I don't see that gap closing very much.

 

[Belial]

I think there is often too much emphasis put on offensive totals when discussing upside.

Suzuki will always be better than Cole in every single aspect of the game other than shooting and perhaps skating but Nick is also a great shooter and while not having Caufield's quickness is still incredibly allusive and much stronger on his skates. Away from the puck it is no contest and I value this much more than the average fan. I see "upside" as the ceiling that a player's overall impact can rise to and Nick is already well ahead of Cole and I don't see that gap closing very much.

Imagine thinking Cole is a more valuable player than Nick!

This is not Patrick Kane we're talking about here... with all my respect to Cole...

 

[Lafleurs Guy]

Yeah ok...

So how come he was lost under Ducharme but Suzuki was still producing?

CC was a rookie getting like 8 mins a night…

I don’t think there’s a team in the league that would take Suzuki over CC going forward. CC’s potential is just too great.