leeroggy
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Confirmed with Link: [COL/NYI] Brock Nelson, William Dufour for Calum Ritchie, Oliver Kylington, 1st-round pick, cond. 2028 3rd-round pick
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Stercrazy
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Great news to wake up to, still bittersweet. Wasn’t sure Lou was gonna do the right thing. Will watch as many Avs playoff games as I can this year.
Hmmm.....Bo was not a rental deal. Right now Brock is a pure rental until that changes....and, not so sure i agree past maybe what Vancouver did with their pieces afterwards and we will not know that, on this deal, for maybe a few years.
Now, would love to know what they were if they were there as this is a pretty good return and plays two fold to future building which is what we all wanted.
and....i hope Lou was watching out for Brock a bit and got him the best landing destination he could. Brock deserves it.
I really love the trade, for us and for Brock. Great news to wake up to.
Oh, and yes...will be pulling for the Avs this year.
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Overall I am very satisfied that Lou did the right thing for Brock and more importantly for the franchise.
Like @Chapin Landvogt I looked at the Gourde trade and set my hopes up a bit higher but in no way am I disappointed when it’s all said and done.
Last thing: I’m surprised that the trade was announced at 5 minutes before midnight. There’s no way Lou was awake at that time unless it was a pee break.
Like @Chapin Landvogt I looked at the Gourde trade and set my hopes up a bit higher but in no way am I disappointed when it’s all said and done.
Last thing: I’m surprised that the trade was announced at 5 minutes before midnight. There’s no way Lou was awake at that time unless it was a pee break.
Isles are on the west coast for the game against the Sharks tomorrow. Technically, it was still 9pm for old man Lou
He made the trade at 9:30, but his fax is only 1200 baud. League received it at 11.
Whereas this is a good point, the fact is that Lou acquired Horvat as an upcoming UFA and thus, in the exact same boat as Nelson. That he did it a month before the trade deadline and then we learned about a signing shortly thereafter doesn't change that either.
As you said, let's wait until that changes or not for Brock. I thoroughly assume that Brock will test the market. He owes that to himself and his family.
Then again, I thought Horvat would too.
What has happened with Beau and Raty since the deal does NOT negate the fact that Beau was an established middle six 25-year old and Raty was one of our top 2 or 3 prospects in the midst of an eye-opening first AHL campaign.
At the time, there was plenty of reason for Vancouver to view Beau as a 30-point two-way 3rd liner and Raty as a strong possibility to become a middle six forward with set-up capabilities. Plus, there were no conditions about that pick (other than being lottery-protected, which is basically standard nowadays).
I think everything we've seen from Lou and his dealings with the players - especially those who have been essential to the franchise - indicates that he surely had Nelson's input on where he'd end up.
No doubts there.
Many of us will be!
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Strummergas
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Oh look. 2nd year in a row that the HF Boards fortune tellers were wrong about what was going to happen at the deadline. Maybe that'll teach them to have some patience and calm the f*** down until the deadline comes and goes, but I'm sure it won't.
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I’m glad they traded Brock but the return isn’t as steep are some as making it out to be.
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I disagree. Beauvillier was a player trending downwards and a borderline cap dump at that point with many fans happy to see him go. Raty, while a promising prospect, was not in the same tier as Ritchie. The first we get from COL will probably be roughly 5-10 spots lower than what we sent for Horvat so I’ll give you that one.
Considering Horvat was 28 at the time of the trade, presumably with the promise of extension talks prior to acquisition, I like this haul better for 33 y/o Brock who seems destined for the market.
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Kevin27NYI
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Also to compare to Seattle it is Gourde and Bjorkstrand..
Nelson returned the value of two firsts. Ritchie is a top prospect league wide and added a first on top.
Tampa also is familiar with Gourde and have a high price on what he brings.
Nelson returned the value of two firsts. Ritchie is a top prospect league wide and added a first on top.
Tampa also is familiar with Gourde and have a high price on what he brings.
Kevin27NYI
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I think the comparison for Brock is Oreilly who returned a 1st, 2nd and 3rd. St. Louis also included Acciari.
Brock alone beat that package.
Horvat as mentioned is 5 years younger and we signed him immediately. Even if the Avs give Brock 4 years and 20 million, I think we made out like bandits.
We should all be pumped about this trade.
The rub is that futures to me, are shit. Put me in Tampa’s spot. I’d rather have good players than picks given you can draft Bode Wilde with the Avs pick and Ritchie could amount to Josh HoSang.
But that’s what being a seller is, a chance they are not.
In the end I wanted to trade Nelson given the circumstances. It is so, so f***ing easy to sell and look good. Look at San Jose. People are glazing Grier for getting Walman with a second and then trading him for a first. Asset management A+. But the team sucks and idk when they’re going to climb out the hole. People will say that guys too old when the Sharks actually are good but that’s a perpetual pattern of constantly trading players for tomorrow.
The real challenge here is replacing a 30 goal center.
Terrific return Lou. Truly. But I want to be in the playoffs next season so figure that part out now.
Brock alone beat that package.
Horvat as mentioned is 5 years younger and we signed him immediately. Even if the Avs give Brock 4 years and 20 million, I think we made out like bandits.
We should all be pumped about this trade.
The rub is that futures to me, are shit. Put me in Tampa’s spot. I’d rather have good players than picks given you can draft Bode Wilde with the Avs pick and Ritchie could amount to Josh HoSang.
But that’s what being a seller is, a chance they are not.
In the end I wanted to trade Nelson given the circumstances. It is so, so f***ing easy to sell and look good. Look at San Jose. People are glazing Grier for getting Walman with a second and then trading him for a first. Asset management A+. But the team sucks and idk when they’re going to climb out the hole. People will say that guys too old when the Sharks actually are good but that’s a perpetual pattern of constantly trading players for tomorrow.
The real challenge here is replacing a 30 goal center.
Terrific return Lou. Truly. But I want to be in the playoffs next season so figure that part out now.
None of those beat reporters have any idea what they were talking about in regards to trading or not trading Brock.
Job isn’t finished yet. Plenty of others on this roster who should and need to go as well. Starting with Palmieri and Pageau.
Strummergas
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I'm not so sure this is for futures. Brock wouldn't sign for what Lou wanted. That pick will probably be traded for someone who will. And Ritchie will be in the lineup next year.
If it’s true that teams have called on him then would love to get out of that contract if the return is right. I would think Pageau is pretty valuable around the league for a playoff run based on the type of game he plays. In a sellers market
Strummergas
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Oh, there's no doubt that they should move him if the deal is right. But if it's not, you don't HAVE to move him right now.
Kevin27NYI
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All that is good with me! Turning brocks return into a today and tomorrow would make me very happy. Jared McCann might be available.
Traded Brock Nelson for a 10 yr younger Brock Nelson and a pick? Sounds like a good deal.
The age difference is a good point.
This is Lou we're talking about here.
He could very well turn around and moving these pieces for an established player, maybe even today!
Isles fans shouldn't get too comfortable with these assets.
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I like the trade. I think Ritchie will be Eisermans center sooner than later. I think the 1st will be moved to get a player sooner than later.
