PTO: [COL] Jack Johnson signs PTO with the Avalanche

[JoemAvs]

Do people not have eyes anymore? Are they scouting with a pillow case over their head? I was told JJ was awful before he suited up for the Rangers. I knew it going in. But I wasn't prepared. It was bad. Sooo bad. The only reason I bring that guy into camp is to give the young forward someone to tool on and the to show the young Dmen "kid, this clown has been in this league for 10 plus years. You can do this."

I mean he is awful.
But his competition is also awful. Probably Gilbert/McKeown for the #8 spot.

The Avs have EJ and Murray (if one of them is healthy come playoff time, that would be a +) as well as almost rookie Byram who missed a ton of games last year as well pencilled into their top6. There might be an opportunity for him if things go wrong for the Avs down the line.

You could probably do worse than JJ if you are forced to ice your 8th best Dman.

 

[GordonGraham]

#8 at minimum wage playing 20-30 games why not, sure beats having a kid in the pressbox all year long

 

[Brodeur]

Do people not have eyes anymore? Are they scouting with a pillow case over their head? I was told JJ was awful before he suited up for the Rangers. I knew it going in. But I wasn't prepared. It was bad. Sooo bad. The only reason I bring that guy into camp is to give the young forward someone to tool on and the to show the young Dmen "kid, this clown has been in this league for 10 plus years. You can do this."

It's not like they signed him to a multiyear deal, it's just a PTO. As I mentioned in an earlier post, the Avs have a back-to-back in preseason and it's unlikely that they'd make players suit up in both games especially as the first game is on the road. The CBA mandates that teams have to dress at least eight "veteran" players in preseason, so PTO guys can be useful in scenarios like this since you can't just send your AHL team. It's unlikely Colorado would send too many of its regulars for that game, so they could send Johnson as part of the B team to help meet the requirements.

Edit: Here's a fun exercise. Colorado plays October 4th at Minnesota and at home October 5th vs. Vegas. Which rosters would you have for each game to meet the CBA rules (not sure if the games played are prorated since the last two seasons have been shortened):

There are three parts to Section 15.4, which set qualifications and lineup regulations for teams and players alike. The lengthiest of these parts (known as Section 15.4 (c)), sets qualifications for lineup composition and what qualifies a player as a veteran player. In preseason exhibition games, a team may dress a minimum of eight veterans in any game. According to Section 15.4(a), a veteran is a player is any defensemen or forward who played 30 or more games in the previous season, a goaltender who was dressed in 50 or more games or played in 30 or more games in the previous season, a team’s first-round draft pick from the most recent year’s Entry Draft, or a player who has played in 100 or more games in the NHL in their career.

Quick scan of Colorado's roster, with "veterans" in bold (plus Oskar Olausson as their most recent first rounder):

Landeskog-MacKinnon-Rantanen
Burakovsky-Kadri-Compher
Jost-Newhook-Kaut
Nichushkin-Helm-Maltsev
-------------------------------
Matteau-Bowers-O'Connor
Ranta-Foudy-Sherwood
Sikura-Wingerli-Megna
Beaucage-Henry-Olausson

Toews-Makar
Girard-E.Johnson
Byram-Murray
---------------------
MacDermid-Barron
J.Johnson-McKeown
Gilbert-MacDonald
Middleton-Clurman

Kuemper-Francouz
-------------------
Johansson-Miska-Annunen

 

[BobColesNasalCavity]

Coloradan anti-vaxxers in shambles.

 

[DingDongCharlie]

I always wanted to see a Jack and Erik Johnson pairing in the NHL.

 

[Avsboy]

If MacKinnon is stopping and restarting the practice every time the pass isn't right with JJ out there, they could break Herb Brooks' record for the longest hockey practice.

lol

 

[SML2]

I mean he is awful.
But his competition is also awful. Probably Gilbert/McKeown for the #8 spot.

The Avs have EJ and Murray (if one of them is healthy come playoff time, that would be a +) as well as almost rookie Byram who missed a ton of games last year as well pencilled into their top6. There might be an opportunity for him if things go wrong for the Avs down the line.

You could probably do worse than JJ if you are forced to ice your 8th best Dman.

Listen, man. Listen to me. Everyone said the same stuff to me last year. This guy is a hand grenade in your fox hole. Caused major problems because Quinn seemed to never notice JJs blatant suckery yet wanted to hold young guys "accountable"for making mistakes young guys make. Meanwhile this guy is in his 30s making horrible play after horrible play and never missed a shift. I hope it works out for you, but good God if Sakic tries to offer this guy a contract you need a hit man in the room with one in the chamber ready to go to stop it before it gets signed.

 

[crowi]

I wish nothing but the best for Jack. I am still sad that his dad f***ed him over and I hope that he finally puts it all together in Colorado and helps the team get to the next level

Here is to your future Jack!

Dad only, huh? I suppose that's the way it goes these days.

"Shortly after signing his first major contract, a seven-year, $30.5 million deal with the Los Angeles Kings, Johnson granted his mother, Tina Johnson, power of attorney over all his finances."

I've only ever wished him good luck to make back some of the money he lost, so agreed on that.

 

[Yog S'loth]

Listen, man. Listen to me. Everyone said the same stuff to me last year. This guy is a hand grenade in your fox hole. Caused major problems because Quinn seemed to never notice JJs blatant suckery yet wanted to hold young guys "accountable"for making mistakes young guys make. Meanwhile this guy is in his 30s making horrible play after horrible play and never missed a shift. I hope it works out for you, but good God if Sakic tries to offer this guy a contract you need a hit man in the room with one in the chamber ready to go to stop it before it gets signed.

"literal LOL"

 

[KirkAlbuquerque]

I know everyone loves to make fun of JMFJ but honestly in his limited stint with NYR last season he was pretty solid for the most part, laid some big hits, and seemed like a good locker room guy. He’s not someone I’d want in my top 6 but as a 7/8D he’s fine

Lol hockey fans when a shit player goes to another team. “ I know he got a lot of hate but he’s a great teammate and a very solid #9D !”

 

[SML2]

If any of you true Colorado fans care about your team, you send 6 dozen donuts to MacKinnons locker on the opening day of camp with the note "hey guys, breakfast is on me- Jack Johnson"

 

[DarthProbert]

I complained when we traded Zadorov AND Cole , but no, I was an idiot, the depth is fine and all prospects are ready for top 4 roles and the injuries that happen every playoffs never happen. Then Graves was traded and I was displeased with the remaining depth but nope, I'm a fool, Byram and Connor are competing for the Norris and can never be hurt. Then Timmins was traded and I said there better be a plan that nobody's seeing yet...well here we are. Jack Johnson.

 

[Lays]

Lol hockey fans when a shit player goes to another team. “ I know he got a lot of hate but he’s a great teammate and a very solid #9D !”

He wasn’t bad for us at all.

 

[Lindberg Cheese]

 

[Avsboy]

I complained when we traded Zadorov AND Cole , but no, I was an idiot, the depth is fine and all prospects are ready for top 4 roles and the injuries that happen every playoffs never happen. Then Graves was traded and I was displeased with the remaining depth but nope, I'm a fool, Byram and Connor are competing for the Norris and can never be hurt. Then Timmins was traded and I said there better be a plan that nobody's seeing yet...well here were. Jack Johnson.

Let's analyze this.

Old moves:
Zadorov has bounced around to Calgary, playing pretty comically bad in Chicago
Cole is Cole, he provides little except his dad appears on the Avs board from time to time

New moves:
Graves may play well in NJ, but he basically cost the Avs the Vegas series and is incredibly soft for his size
Timmins trade. The plan was Murray, who you fail to mention.

I think you're wrong on all counts. Avs D is probably the best Top 6 group in the league.

 

[SML2]

He wasn’t bad for us at all.

This is a bold faced lie.

 

[Northern Avs Fan]

It's not like they signed him to a multiyear deal, it's just a PTO. As I mentioned in an earlier post, the Avs have a back-to-back in preseason and it's unlikely that they'd make players suit up in both games especially as the first game is on the road. The CBA mandates that teams have to dress at least eight "veteran" players in preseason, so PTO guys can be useful in scenarios like this since you can't just send your AHL team. It's unlikely Colorado would send too many of its regulars for that game, so they could send Johnson as part of the B team to help meet the requirements.

Edit: Here's a fun exercise. Colorado plays October 4th at Minnesota and at home October 5th vs. Vegas. Which rosters would you have for each game to meet the CBA rules (not sure if the games played are prorated since the last two seasons have been shortened):



Quick scan of Colorado's roster, with "veterans" in bold (plus Oskar Olausson as their most recent first rounder):

Landeskog-MacKinnon-Rantanen
Burakovsky-Kadri-Compher
Jost-Newhook-Kaut
Nichushkin-Helm-Maltsev
-------------------------------
Matteau-Bowers-O'Connor
Ranta-Foudy-Sherwood
Sikura-Wingerli-Megna
Beaucage-Henry-Olausson

Toews-Makar
Girard-E.Johnson
Byram-Murray
---------------------
MacDermid-Barron
J.Johnson-McKeown
Gilbert-MacDonald
Middleton-Clurman

Kuemper-Francouz
-------------------
Johansson-Miska-Annunen

Move MacDonald up. He was the 7 last year and was fantastic.

 

[Martin Skoula]

But...why?

Edit: Nevermind. I get it. The Avs are finally getting the Johnson and Johnson pairing together.

In the sense that you only need one shot against them?

 

[Brodeur]

Move MacDonald up. He was the 7 last year and was fantastic.

Point of my post wasn't to have the exact Avs depth chart but about how you would allocate two rosters for those two preseason games aka Jack Johnson counts as a veteran and thus saves somebody from having to take a roundtrip flight to Minnesota.

 

[Lt Dan]

Dad only, huh? I suppose that's the way it goes these days.

"Shortly after signing his first major contract, a seven-year, $30.5 million deal with the Los Angeles Kings, Johnson granted his mother, Tina Johnson, power of attorney over all his finances."

I've only ever wished him good luck to make back some of the money he lost, so agreed on that.

Well his mom sucks too then.
They really f***ed him over

 

[Zats Muccarello]

Rangers legend Jack Johnson

 

[SeanMoneyHands]

Wonder if we see a Johnson & Johnson pairing for the Avs this year.

 

[Russian Factor]

Let the cope begin

 

[Rabid Ranger]

I just want to see him hit 1000 games.

 

[CreeksideStrangler]

h3 srill bankrupt?