archangel2
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as a Canuck fan I don't. understand why they wouldn't offer something like that we need puck moving dmen.
Because he would be the number 7 d man on the canucks
as a Canuck fan I don't. understand why they wouldn't offer something like that we need puck moving dmen.
id have him above Forbert.Because he would be the number 7 d man on the canucks
I like Juulson but Kylington is better especially at moving the puck, if we signed him we could have had a puck mover at each pair, although my guess is the Canucks want to accrue cap space to get a top 4 RHD dman during the TDL.you are forgetting Juulson
Not really dickish - quite the opposite, he turned down a sure thing to check back and lost out on everything as a result.Oh so he kinda played himself. Kinda dickish to do that to Calgary after they stuck by him
I really think this whole debacle is more on his agent than it is on Kylington.Not really dickish - quite the opposite, he turned down a sure thing to check back and lost out on everything as a result.
He could have (and in hindsight, should have) simply accepted the four year deal instead of seeing if Calgary would match.
Oh so he kinda played himself. Kinda dickish to do that to Calgary after they stuck by him
Kylington absolutely should play with a partner who is more defensively responsible. His biggest strength is his skating and puck-carrying ability. I don’t think he’s ever going to be someone you want to rely on when you’re just trying to shut another team down.
He just missed a good 18 months of hockey. Not blaming him for it, but from the team's perspective you can understand why they might be hesitant to give him a long-term deal after that. He's also never been that great defensively. And he's not a kid any more. He's 27. So you have to wonder how much more he's going to progress.
The Flames likely offered Kylington the same deal they ultimately gave to Bean, given that they signed Bean immediately after Kylington said he was going to FA. Kylington wanted more and gambled on himself. Given how long it took him to sign and the fact he's getting a one-year deal I'd say he lost. I'd blame Kylignton's agent for this more than Kylington himself.
Ultimately I don't think there's much to distinguish the other 4-5 Dmen the Flames have fighting for their 3-6 spots from Kylington. Kylington's a better puck carrier, but he's also not physical at all and not defensively reliable. He's really the kind of guy you want on the bottom pairing and the PP.
Yea Kylington was never on the top pair, as much as some fans liked to call it that. He was 4th on the flames in even strength time on ice that season, his partner was 3rd. In total ice time he had 2 seconds more than the number 5 (Gudbranson). Across the league, he had the 110th most ES ice time among defense who played 40+ games. In just total even strength minutes played he was 90th. All this while getting negligible special teams time and playing with a partner whose made a career of playing enough defense for him and his partner.If Kylington is paired with a strong enough D partner, he will look like a top 4 dman. It was just 3 seasons ago that he was playing on the Flames top pair for the entire season with Tanev as his partner. Kylington didn't look out of place at all. And as soon as Tanev went down with injury, Kylington fell apart.
Kylington is pretty mobile, his skating is his best asset.
Rare to find such knowledgable posts on these boards. Well done.Couple thoughts:
1) Avs are just trying to fill the blueline out until Behrens is ready for NHL action and provide some "gatekeeper" 3rd pair guys for him and Malinski to prove they can overcome. Since they couldn't get a responsible physical defender on the 3rd pair (de Haan is closest) they are throwing numbers at it with depth being the solution; if someone gets hurt then next man up.
2) All of the blueliners (including Malinski) are subject to waivers so I think they will stay on the NHL roster and Avs will use their forwards on "paper moves" to accrue some more daily space throughout the year: Wagner, Kiviranta, and utilityman MacDonald ($2.325 million).
This would allow them to accrue enough cap space to get Nichushkin back in mid-November and still run thru early/mid December before needing to shed some NHL salary (equivalent AAV of $4.2 million over approximately). Who knows what will happen by then with injury/performance/etc.
Either Val gets moved out or Landeskog isn't healthy to stay in NHL; if not then the Avs will use performance of the new blueliners to determine their next move: does that mean Sam Girard gets traded if two of Brannstrom/Kylington/Behrens look great? Or do the Avs ship out Val (who should have 3 weeks of playing time to re-establish some value) and get a $2 million player in return?
I think it's the latter so that they can offer closer to market-rate extensions on Rantanen/Drouin and/or Georgiev with that space next year.
Kylington can play the right side too, in fact before he's said before joining Stockton, he'd never played the left side before.1 year x 1.05 million as per Friedman.
LHD: Toews-Girard-Kylington-Brannstrom-de Haan
RHD: Makar-Manson-Malinski
I vaguely recall that Brannstrom prefers to play on the right side, so maybe a 3rd pairing of Kylington-Brannstrom?
Brannstrom or De Haan will move to the right and one of the 3 (Kylington included) will be the injury call up/replacement for one of them sucking. Av's need all the D they have acquired.
I authentically think he's better than Josh Manson. I think he's their 4th best defenseman right now. I don't see him sliding out of the lineup.I said on the Flames board this goes one of two ways for Oliver.
1) He'll carve out a niche in Colorado, anchor a third pair, play 75+ games, go to the playoffs, earn himself a long term deal next summer somewhere.
2) He'll be in/out of the lineup because he'll play like Oliver Kylington outside of 70some odd games with Chris Tanev. By the deadline Colorado will load up for a run which'll squeeze him out of the lineup. Maybe won't see the ice for the entire playoffs; and find himself in PTO/Europe territory next season.
I authentically think he's better than Josh Manson. I think he's their 4th best defenseman right now. I don't see him sliding out of the lineup.
BTW, this is from someone who thinks he's handled himself VERY poorly throughout his past couple of seasons.
I think Manson is one of the most overrated players in the league. He's not a good defenseman at all.Apples and oranges but also a moot point. Two different styles of play. Avs have several mobile D and only one guy who does what Manson does.
Comparing Kylington to Manson is pointless.
I think Manson is one of the most overrated players in the league. He's not a good defenseman at all.
Did you watch the Avs cup run in 22? Manson was a beastI think Manson is one of the most overrated players in the league. He's not a good defenseman at all.
Lol you cant be this clueless about the player. No one wanted him.I authentically think he's better than Josh Manson. I think he's their 4th best defenseman right now. I don't see him sliding out of the lineup.
BTW, this is from someone who thinks he's handled himself VERY poorly throughout his past couple of seasons.
Guy wouldnt know a good hockey player if he was playing on a line with mcdavid in beer league.Did you watch the Avs cup run in 22? Manson was a beast
How good was he in his one good offensive season?
Pot calling the kettle black much? It's been stated multiple times that there was a 4 year deal on the table from Washington that Calgary wasn't willing to match. Then Washington acquired Chychrun and that 4 year deal was gone. Calgary had also signed Bean to a 2 year deal by then too.Lol you cant be this clueless about the player. No one wanted him.
Guy wouldnt know a good hockey player if he was playing on a line with mcdavid in beer league.
His current team didnt want him. He just got signed in August for 1 year 1 million dollar deal and we have posters saying he is better than Manson and Chabot. Yeah im the issue here not you guys. The mental gymnastic is impressive I have to say. Dont let the actual real time facts of how this played out get in the way of a hyperbolic argument.Pot calling the kettle black much? It's been stated multiple times that there was a 4 year deal on the table from Washington that Calgary wasn't willing to match. Then Washington acquired Chychrun and that 4 year deal was gone. Calgary had also signed Bean to a 2 year deal by then too.
Teams are hesitant to sign a guy who's only played 33 games in the last 2 seasons to the multi year deal that he wanted. That is not the same as no one wanting him at all. This is as simple as Kylington's agent convinced him to overplay his hand and it backfired. Don't be shocked if Kylington is playing 2nd pair on Colorado before the end of the season