canuckslover10
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as a Canuck fan I don't. understand why they wouldn't offer something like that we need puck moving dmen.
Confirmed Signing with Link: [COL] D Oliver Kylington signs with the Avalanche (1 year, $1.05M)
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SeanMoneyHands
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Still can't believe the Flames let this guy go. He is underrated and just watch him land a big multi-year deal a year from now. Good signing for Colorado.
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That's exactly it.
Avs will role with the current set-up at least until there's more clarity on Nuke/Landeskog. There's a chance this enables a Girard trade around that time, or at the latest the TDL. But to your point, the Avs won't line-up like this for the post-season, they will add at least one more physical dman. It should be a fine lineup for the regular season though
That's their second value signing on defense for this summer. Well done Avs.
With the mass exodus from the organization my booing pants are getting a good workout regardless. Adam Fox is my personal favorite.
He's got his flaws, but no one skates better. He can usually catch up to his mistakes. If you take skating alone he's a better skater than prime Bouwmeester. He makes a good first pass. He can defend fast opposition. He does get outmuscled along the boards at times, but not terribly so.
For 1M it's a steal. I wouldn't think it's an overpay for triple what you guys signed him for.
That's exactly why I said pro-rated. The $8 mil cap hit is based off of a 82 game season, same with the entire team's salary cap. It's why teams can 'accrue' cap space during the season and why the TDL is a thing. If there wasn't any accrual, there would simply be no trades to be made because every team would have no cap space.
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SeanMoneyHands
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Kylington is a significant upgrade on Walker (who was a terrible pickup at the deadline).
Bounces R Way
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I mean, they tried to sign him and Kylington turned them down. Specifically on the "wasn't a money issue, it was a term issue. Supposedly we offered him a 2 year deal, and he wanted longer. I guess no one in the league wanted to risk longer than that, and by the time he came back around, the Flames had basically gotten Bean as his replacement
Zirakzigil
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He wanted 4 years from the Flames and they countered with 2. He didn’t budge off the 4 year ask and thought he’d get that in free agency. He overplayed his hand big time. Wish him all the best in Colorado.
Their defence is definitely not big, mean or very physical. Hell of a top pair but I'm loving the trend of teams copying the Vegas cup model and going big, physical and hard to play against. I fully admit I'm bias but Tochett, Foote and Gonchar told Allvin, that basically the top pair can get the lion's share of the points surrounded by giants. Definitely more than one way to skin a cat but teams are gonna have a fukc of a time getting anywhere near Demko.
Good low risk signing that should fit in with the Avs style.
Is there anywhere that states that.
Again I'm probably wrong but the way I thought it worked was he doesn't get paid during his leave and there's no cap hit but when he comes back it will revert back to his old contract so say for example he gets paid 125k a week on his current contract, in a normal season he would be getting that same amount all year. Being suspended without pay means he doesn't get his regular pay during the suspension but once he's reinstated he goes back to the 125k a week for the rest of the year. A contract is a contract having it paused shouldn't affect anything once it's unpaused .
The only thing that changes is instead of making 6 million he loses whatever amount the suspension cost him. As for cap hit it never changes because the contract he signed was for 6 million+ a season forfeiting a portion of that doesn't change the contract he signed.
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The entirety of the top 2/3 of your post is correct. It’s the bottom that is not.
Because it’s due for suspension, means his cap hit is not being applied during suspension. Cap hits are calculated daily. Seasons are about 180 days. So theoretically, nukes daily cap hit is 6.125/180 days, or 34000$ per day.
During suspension, Nukes daily cap hit is not being applied to the Avalanches cap hit.
But once he returns, his entire 34000 cap hit will be applied. Since it’s only for 80% of the season, his effective cap hit on the team will be about 80% of his total cap hit.
The same logic applied to a trade deadline acquisition is applied here. A team with 2M in cap space at the deadline, can add an 8M dollar player because they are only being charged the daily cap hit for 1/4 of the season.
LeonDraisaitl
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It’s pretty crazy if he actually wanted 4 years after only a few months of hockey in a two year span.
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Maybe they did but he wanted to the Avs to maybe get a chance to play along side the leagues best defensman
Kylington absolutely should play with a partner who is more defensively responsible. His biggest strength is his skating and puck-carrying ability. I don’t think he’s ever going to be someone you want to rely on when you’re just trying to shut another team down.
Couple thoughts:
1) Avs are just trying to fill the blueline out until Behrens is ready for NHL action and provide some "gatekeeper" 3rd pair guys for him and Malinski to prove they can overcome. Since they couldn't get a responsible physical defender on the 3rd pair (de Haan is closest) they are throwing numbers at it with depth being the solution; if someone gets hurt then next man up.
2) All of the blueliners (including Malinski) are subject to waivers so I think they will stay on the NHL roster and Avs will use their forwards on "paper moves" to accrue some more daily space throughout the year: Wagner, Kiviranta, and utilityman MacDonald ($2.325 million).
This would allow them to accrue enough cap space to get Nichushkin back in mid-November and still run thru early/mid December before needing to shed some NHL salary (equivalent AAV of $4.2 million over approximately). Who knows what will happen by then with injury/performance/etc.
Either Val gets moved out or Landeskog isn't healthy to stay in NHL; if not then the Avs will use performance of the new blueliners to determine their next move: does that mean Sam Girard gets traded if two of Brannstrom/Kylington/Behrens look great? Or do the Avs ship out Val (who should have 3 weeks of playing time to re-establish some value) and get a $2 million player in return?
I think it's the latter so that they can offer closer to market-rate extensions on Rantanen/Drouin and/or Georgiev with that space next year.
1) Avs are just trying to fill the blueline out until Behrens is ready for NHL action and provide some "gatekeeper" 3rd pair guys for him and Malinski to prove they can overcome. Since they couldn't get a responsible physical defender on the 3rd pair (de Haan is closest) they are throwing numbers at it with depth being the solution; if someone gets hurt then next man up.
2) All of the blueliners (including Malinski) are subject to waivers so I think they will stay on the NHL roster and Avs will use their forwards on "paper moves" to accrue some more daily space throughout the year: Wagner, Kiviranta, and utilityman MacDonald ($2.325 million).
This would allow them to accrue enough cap space to get Nichushkin back in mid-November and still run thru early/mid December before needing to shed some NHL salary (equivalent AAV of $4.2 million over approximately). Who knows what will happen by then with injury/performance/etc.
Either Val gets moved out or Landeskog isn't healthy to stay in NHL; if not then the Avs will use performance of the new blueliners to determine their next move: does that mean Sam Girard gets traded if two of Brannstrom/Kylington/Behrens look great? Or do the Avs ship out Val (who should have 3 weeks of playing time to re-establish some value) and get a $2 million player in return?
I think it's the latter so that they can offer closer to market-rate extensions on Rantanen/Drouin and/or Georgiev with that space next year.
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The rumours are another team (Washington allegedly) offered a 4 year deal
Oliver's camp circled back to the Flames to see if they'd match term, they said no.
Flames signed Bean, Washington pulled the offer after acquiring Chychrun, and here we are.
He just missed a good 18 months of hockey. Not blaming him for it, but from the team's perspective you can understand why they might be hesitant to give him a long-term deal after that. He's also never been that great defensively. And he's not a kid any more. He's 27. So you have to wonder how much more he's going to progress.
The Flames likely offered Kylington the same deal they ultimately gave to Bean, given that they signed Bean immediately after Kylington said he was going to FA. Kylington wanted more and gambled on himself. Given how long it took him to sign and the fact he's getting a one-year deal I'd say he lost. I'd blame Kylignton's agent for this more than Kylington himself.
Ultimately I don't think there's much to distinguish the other 4-5 Dmen the Flames have fighting for their 3-6 spots from Kylington. Kylington's a better puck carrier, but he's also not physical at all and not defensively reliable. He's really the kind of guy you want on the bottom pairing and the PP.
I Hate Blake Coleman
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About time this comes to an end. Good luck in Colorado. A change of scenery probably should've happened years ago.
LeonDraisaitl
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Oh so he kinda played himself. Kinda dickish to do that to Calgary after they stuck by him
Brannstrom or De Haan will move to the right and one of the 3 (Kylington included) will be the injury call up/replacement for one of them sucking. Av's need all the D they have acquired.
