Confirmed with Link: [Col/Chi/Car] Rantanen (50% by Chicago), Hall, Nils Juntorp to Car - Drury, Necas, 2nd, 4th to Avs, 3rd round pick to Chicago

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I mean if he can't score here, he probably doesnt want to be here. Just like Necas.

At this point if I was Rantanen - I'd be pulling that eject handle. He's been nothing but frustrated since getting here. Who wants 8 years of frustration and ruined stats because you're playing with middlers instead of you know, superstars.
The point of all those stats for some players is to get that fat payday.

As the great Jack Burton always says, "the checks in the mail Mikko."

And if Mikko isn't a friend of Jack's he's no friend of mine and can pack his bags.
 
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Good on management. And, I understand why he would be in no rush to sign considering how short of a time he's been here.

Either way, at least I will know the team did all it could to sign him. Is what it is; and the outcome won't change my mind about taking a big swing to trade for him.
You must not be a thigh person :sarcasm:
 
The point of all those stats for some players is to get that fat payday.

As the great Jack Burton always says, "the checks in the mail Mikko."

And if Mikko isn't a friend of Jack's he's no friend of mine and can pack his bags.
That's part of it, sure, but plenty of players do care about their legacies and counting stats contribute to that. So does winning though and we are easily a top 7 or so team in that aspect, and none of the others that high could really afford Mikko. Staying here really makes the most sense on paper if the offer is truly that high. Can have his cake and eat it too with massive $ on a perennial contender, not to mention the Finns here. If he walks, so be it, terrible to give away Necas for 3 months of a superstar player but if we truly are offering that much then there's nothing we could do. Except not make the trade in the first place without an extension in place...
 
It will sort of prove that players don't want to be here. Despite what we've done.

You know, except for all those that do. All Guentzel and possibly Rantanen will prove is that trading for rentals is a risky move, especially when the players have spent their entire career with their previous organization. Of course those players are going to be tempted by FA if they've never been a part of it.
 
You know, except for all those that do. All Guentzel and possibly Rantanen will prove is that trading for rentals is a risky move, especially when the players have spent their entire career with their previous organization. Of course those players are going to be tempted by FA if they've never been a part of it.
This all it will prove is that Rantenan didn't want to be here for that money. Guentzel may have stayed if they put that amount out front we don't know now way or another on that. We know Ghost choose to come back, Orlov asked to be here, Aho, Slavin, Jarvis, Svech, and to a lessor extent Kooch choose to be here long term.
 
It really is a fair point to wonder if paying Rantanen would even be a good move. I don't really subscribe to the notion that he was carried by MacKinnon, but whatever the reasons, his production here has been incredibly disappointing. It's only been 7 games so I don't read too much into that but how the rest of this season plays out is critical in my view. The more I think about it the more I don't like this trade -- we never should've given Necas away for a pending UFA. Now we're stuck trying to get him extended ASAP when it may be wiser to wait to see how he does here with a larger sample size, but that brings the risk of him being closer to FA and less likely not to consider his other options then. Honestly though, even if he does go on a heater and puts up like 1.2+ ppg from here on out, that wouldn't fully ease my mind about giving him $13m or whatever it'll be. Was exciting to land a big fish, after missing out a few times but it's frustrating how it's playing out now. Hopefully he gets settled, re-signs and shows the same level of play here that he did in Colorado, but that's not looking incredibly likely based on what we've seen so far, unfortunately.
 
I mean if he can't score here, he probably doesnt want to be here. Just like Necas.

At this point if I was Rantanen - I'd be pulling that eject handle. He's been nothing but frustrated since getting here. Who wants 8 years of frustration and ruined stats because you're playing with middlers instead of you know, superstars.
If he wasn't getting looks you'd have more of a point here but he's getting looks and opportunities. He's just not finishing them. So a lot of this frustration is his own doing. That being said I'm giving him a pass in that regard to an extent due to the chaos of the trade.
 
I'm still not too worried about Mikko's production. I think he probably could have another few points and goals by this point and we all know the plethora of difficult circumstances the team and he have gone through in recent weeks. Some guys like Guentzel are great and fit in immediately and some guys like Weight and Recchi take time to find their way. I hope they can get it done and it's nice to hear they are learning from their past experience and coming in strong.

I still don't know that I believe that Necas and the Canes would have really agreed on his value. Sure, Necas can say that he thought they were finally in a good place after his play this year. But I think even there, the Canes would have disagreed on how good. After his point streak ended, he spent the next 27 games pacing for 55 points. He just looked like normal Necas. Which is a good player but I still think would have lead to them not being able to agree on a long term contract. Now, it's not always fair to take away the guys best production from his best streak and of course he looks bad, but in this case, it'd be more about who he'd been for his entire career before and after that one streak. He isn't that player. As someone that follows Colorado rather closely I feel like he's had a few games where he popped and many more where he looked like normal streaky Necas. He'll ultimately produce well for as long as he's there, but we still know what he was and wasn't here.

I still can't get too worked up over losing a year of Necas. I honestly am not that worked up over losing whatever 7 or 8 years of Necas we could have hypothetically have gotten at a high price because I just don't think he was the best fit here.

If we lose Rants, we still have a really solid core in place, some seemingly pretty good prospects on the way, a shit ton of cap space, and a management that is creative enough to figure out how to use it.
 
I don't think Necas was ever a long term plan here. We just weren't good fits all things considered.

If Rantanen does walk, I'm going to be pissed that we didn't use Necas for a long term solution here. That would be incredibly poor roster management to waste an elite trading chip on a rental during a year we likely have far too many other holes to legitimately contend for a Cup.
 
I don't think Necas was ever a long term plan here. We just weren't good fits all things considered.

If Rantanen does walk, I'm going to be pissed that we didn't use Necas for a long term solution here. That would be incredibly poor roster management to waste an elite trading chip on a rental during a year we likely have far too many other holes to legitimately contend for a Cup.
I can agree that maybe there would have been a better use of Necas in the scenario that Rantanen leaves. Now, they did seemingly try a lot of different avenues for those solutions in the offseason, but couldn't make the trades work, couldn't get Necas to agree long term in certain destinations, etc.

I don't really know that waiting until this offseason when he had one more year remaining to UFA would have yielded much better. Even the deals were heard rumored this season for a guy like Pettersson would have been super risky given how he's played for the past year or so. So, I don't have a huge issue with moving on for this swing at Rantanen.
 
I don't think Necas was ever a long term plan here. We just weren't good fits all things considered.

If Rantanen does walk, I'm going to be pissed that we didn't use Necas for a long term solution here. That would be incredibly poor roster management to waste an elite trading chip on a rental during a year we likely have far too many other holes to legitimately contend for a Cup.
Which is why the swing is to attempt to sign Rantanen. Rantanen signed long-term costs a lot more than Necas+Drury+pick.

I still think Rantanen was their #1 target in the UFA crop for this off-season and they are trying to jump the line with this trade and leverage the 8th year to land him.
 
I can agree that maybe there would have been a better use of Necas in the scenario that Rantanen leaves. Now, they did seemingly try a lot of different avenues for those solutions in the offseason, but couldn't make the trades work, couldn't get Necas to agree long term in certain destinations, etc.

I don't really know that waiting until this offseason when he had one more year remaining to UFA would have yielded much better. Even the deals were heard rumored this season for a guy like Pettersson would have been super risky given how he's played for the past year or so. So, I don't have a huge issue with moving on for this swing at Rantanen.
Personally, I would be pained knowing we chose not to pursue Elias Pettersson, who would come in with 7 years remaining on his deal so we could pursue Rantanen, so if he walks, it adds a lot of salt to that wound. Do I think Rantanen is better than EP? Sure. Would I have rather traded Necas for an extended EP if Rants walks? Absolutely.
 
Personally, I would be pained knowing we chose not to pursue Elias Pettersson, who would come in with 7 years remaining on his deal so we could pursue Rantanen, so if he walks, it adds a lot of salt to that wound. Do I think Rantanen is better than EP? Sure. Would I have rather traded Necas for an extended EP if Rants walks? Absolutely.

I’ll agree with this.

My best guess at reading between the lines of all the info we were given directly after the trade (both by insiders and by Tulsky himself) was that Colorado and Carolina were loosely talking about Rantanen all year and Necas was always the key piece coming back. Canes came to agreement in principle with Vancouver on a Pettersson trade, and Carolina went back to Colorado to say now or never.

And I generally agree with your conclusion as well. Extended Rantanen > Pettersson >>> non-extended Rantanen.

Of course, this all assumes not winning a Cup. Win a Cup and every move we’ve made is unimpeachable.
 
Personally, I would be pained knowing we chose not to pursue Elias Pettersson, who would come in with 7 years remaining on his deal so we could pursue Rantanen, so if he walks, it adds a lot of salt to that wound. Do I think Rantanen is better than EP? Sure. Would I have rather traded Necas for an extended EP if Rants walks? Absolutely.
I agree that a star center would be our best focus but I don't think EP is that guy. I mean he panic signed his contract so he wouldn't get traded here. He doesn't seem to be too mentally tough and if we're going to spend that type of money for a high end center, forgive the saying but I want somebody with that dawg in him.
 
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Personally, I would be pained knowing we chose not to pursue Elias Pettersson, who would come in with 7 years remaining on his deal so we could pursue Rantanen, so if he walks, it adds a lot of salt to that wound. Do I think Rantanen is better than EP? Sure. Would I have rather traded Necas for an extended EP if Rants walks? Absolutely.
The issue is EP also came with quite a bit of risk. He's been struggling badly and does have a big contract too. I'd be more concerned about EP's play on the ice than I have been with Rants' so far, largely because EP has been inconsistent in the past and never even reached the height that Rantanen has. Before the trade Rantanen has had incredibly consistent elite production year to year his entire career with an upward trajectory. EP has gone up and down. I agree I'd rather have EP than 3 months of Rantanen, obviously. But I prefer an extended Rants so I can't fault the front office for trying to make that work over EP.

That said, I really think we should've traded Necas (+, if necessary) for a long term RHD solution. Dobson, McAvoy (there have been some rumors they'd consider moving him, unlikely yes but wouldn't rule it out), etc. Or hell, should've traded him for a top 5 pick last year to get Demidov. That was rumored to have been discussed but we decided not to make the trade. I'd rather have had Demidov than Rantanen honestly, even if Rants re-signs. That would've, along with Nikishin, given us just bonkers cap flexibility to spend big at 2C, 1RD, etc. Yeah we'd have been worse this year without Necas but would've been well worth it to me.
 
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If Rantanen signs with us, I don't care if he puts up the same type of numbers in the regular season as long as he helps us win the cup. Necas as good as he can be, was never the type of player to help with that and I don't think he would have stayed long term without an inflated contract.
yep, a ton of Florida fans were ready to fire Bob out of a cannon into the sun for years... until they finally started to make some progress in the playoffs with him in net. Even until last year they still hated that contract.
 
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