Confirmed with Link: [Col/Chi/Car] Rantanen (50% by Chicago), Hall, Nils Juntorp to Car - Drury, Necas, 2nd, 4th to Avs, 3rd round pick to Chicago

[BrindAmours Army]

Blender?

Rod is setting up to play Spin the Wheel, Make the Deal in the locker room.

 

[chaz4hockey]

My guess is that it was Petterson -> Rantanen -> Miller in the cost to acquire, but Van wouldn't come down on EP.

Petterson seems to be damaged goods this year with knee issues.

I like last nights deal better.

 

[BB88]

Petterson seems to be damaged goods this year with knee issues.

I like last nights deal better.

His own management also called him out, loud.

There’s been too many reports on him being difficult to deal with.

 

[hangman005]

Rants this summer:

You'll have money for both right

 

[robbieberns]

Nothing too unexpected. He did say that “Until we have the best 20 players on our team, we’ll always be looking to get better.”

So McDavid, pack your shit. We’re coming for you.

This was in response to us going after a center now that we’re even weaker at that position, I kind of doubt they go after any sort of 2C option after swinging for Rantanen, but a proper vet leadership guy for the 4C would make a lot of sense.

 

[To Be Determined]

This was in response to us going after a center now that we’re even weaker at that position, I kind of doubt they go after any sort of 2C option after swinging for Rantanen, but a proper vet leadership guy for the 4C would make a lot of sense.

Of note in the press conference, tulsky was directly asked if rantanen would play center. Tulsky deferred to rod, saying how the roster is used is up to him. So, potentially we are better at c than yesterday.

Which, really who knows, but they did this early enough we have time to really figure things out before the deadline.

 

[CanesUltimate11]

Counter point: he has seemed to struggle under the pressure of performing during contract years, and this trade basically puts him at the start of a an 18 month contract negotiation. I think he will struggle a bit and then the internal pressure will build, then the comparisons will be made…and he will walk at the end of next year.

All that said, I really like the kid and his game and hope I am wrong.

Right back Carolina where he thrives

 

[BB88]

LeBruns article suggest Rants wasn’t set on 14M and would have taken less to stay than July 1st market would have given him

But Avs saw him as too expensive even at the Macks cap hit

 

[Svechhammer]

LeBruns article suggest Rants wasn’t set on 14M and would have taken less to stay than July 1st market would have given him

But Avs saw him as too expensive even at the Macks cap hit

HFB would lose its f***ing mind if he signs here for something around the MacKinnon contract

 

[CandyCanes]

Seems like the organization knows it's far from a guarantee he re-signs here for next year. Gonna be fun to see the fanbase react if Rantanen signs elsewhere this offseason. I imagine the Canes having a tough time wanting to commit to 13-14M per season. Will be interesting to see if we can convince him to stay.

 

[Svechhammer]

Seems like the organization knows it's far from a guarantee he re-signs here for next year. Gonna be fun to see the fanbase react if Rantanen signs elsewhere this offseason. I imagine the Canes having a tough time wanting to commit to 13-14M per season. Will be interesting to see if we can convince him to stay.

Yeah what I'm reading from that is that we are willing to pay what he wants, what we need to do is make sure we convince him that Raleigh is a place he can see himself for the next 8 years, because the contract is there if he wants it.

 

[Blueline Bomber]

Yeah what I'm reading from that is that we are willing to pay what he wants, what we need to do is make sure we convince him that Raleigh is a place he can see himself for the next 8 years, because the contract is there if he wants it.

See, I read it as "We're not going to offer him what he's going to get in free agency, so we need to sell him on the team/area to take less to stick around"

 

[CandyCanes]

Tested out his stamina today

 

[BB88]

HFB would lose its f***ing mind if he signs here for something around the MacKinnon contract

Can’t wait for the spin when he signs for 12.5-13M

If he goes to market then all bets are off because he’ll have no ties to that team

For Carolina I’d say it would be in the Mackinnon range and if Colorado ever offered Mackinnon deal he would have taken it

Remember he took a 9.25M deal the same summer Marner went for 10.95M

His past+ Lebruns article suggests it’s more about winning than max

 

[Tryamw]

Good morning, did I miss something?

 

[Sigurd]

Panic move probably isn’t the right term, since we’ve apparently been in discussions with them for a deal revolving around Rantanen and Necas since the draft.

But they may have panicked a bit because we were apparently thinking about dealing Necas for EP, which would cause them to lose a possible suitor for Rantanen.

And honestly, I’m not sure who I’d take over Rantanen vs. EP. Rantanen is the better player, but a FA that wants a lot. EP fits our positional need better and is already locked long term.

Great question about EP vs Rantanen.

To add to your pros and cons list of the debate, I think Rantanen is a much more consistent player for a super star than EP is though. Also, the cost to acquire EP would've been higher than what we paid to get Rantanen. Let's say Morrow was a demand as a + on top of Necas, Roslovic/Drury, 2025 1st round pick (this could be a lighter cost than what Vancouver was asking for all I know). Just Morrow alone as a plus is a big cost considering the fact that once Burns retires, our RHD depth is weak. If Morrow can be counted on for a top 4 role and is good, that's huge for our franchise.

Last thing is that Rantanen did play center when MacKinnon was injured, and he did well. We could play him as a center if Rod chooses to do so (as Tulsky said in his presser).

 

[Stickpucker]

I watched Necas 1st game in Colorado. He was on pp1 but on the right half wall as the left is McKs. He also passed up a super high scoring chance to pass to McK. All in all not an amazing debut but I'm sure he'll figure things out. I'd probably be a bit shell shocked in his shoes.

 

[Chrispy]

Tested out his stamina today

This actually gives me hope both teams win this trade:

Necas playing more minutes puts up more points.

Rantanen playing less minutes doesn’t have to conserve as much.

 

[BB88]

Seems like the organization knows it's far from a guarantee he re-signs here for next year. Gonna be fun to see the fanbase react if Rantanen signs elsewhere this offseason. I imagine the Canes having a tough time wanting to commit to 13-14M per season. Will be interesting to see if we can convince him to stay.

Well you’d expect it as it was announced they hadn’t talked with Rantanen prior to trade

So basically they are starting from the beginning

This actually gives me hope both teams win this trade:

Necas playing more minutes puts up more points.

Rantanen playing less minutes doesn’t have to conserve as much.

It’s just about impossible to be able to play the minutes they’ve demanded and keep up the production

& with Mack you are always playing against the best and you are playing 22-24mins a game against the best every night

 

[cptjeff]

KK going to him and saying "MITÄ MIES?" which is like What's up man? made me laugh, bro was so happy.

Rantanen and Aho have been close friends for a long time, so I'm sure that KK has known him for a while now through hanging out with Aho.

And more than anything else, that makes me think we'll get the contract done. Having him here will make Aho happy. Playing with Aho will make Rantanen happy.

 

[robbieberns]

He’ll get the full pitch/sell from everyone in the organization on the pros to living in the area as well as our competitive window for the duration of his contract. Nikishin arrival this summer coupled with additional cap to further strengthen the roster is a major plus. Also, 12.5x8 is two million total more than 14x7 from any other team. It could play out that there’s nothing we could do to convince him to sign here and he firmly sees his future elsewhere, but I am incredibly confident a deal is worked out.

 

[Derailed75]

Great question about EP vs Rantanen.

To add to your pros and cons list of the debate, I think Rantanen is a much more consistent player for a super star than EP is though. Also, the cost to acquire EP would've been higher than what we paid to get Rantanen. Let's say Morrow was a demand as a + on top of Necas, Roslovic/Drury, 2025 1st round pick (this could be a lighter cost than what Vancouver was asking for all I know). Just Morrow alone as a plus is a big cost considering the fact that once Burns retires, our RHD depth is weak. If Morrow can be counted on for a top 4 role and is good, that's huge for our franchise.

Last thing is that Rantanen did play center when MacKinnon was injured, and he did well. We could play him as a center if Rod chooses to do so (as Tulsky said in his presser).

Im not sure how anyone can compare Petterson and Rantanen. Petterson had one outlier season, outside of that he is a clone of Aho points wise. Rantanen is better than Aho and Petterson by a good bit. This is a strong move by Tulsky and makes the team a lot better.

Not get some ink on the page Eric!

 

[chaz4hockey]

Tested out his stamina today

Bender works his top players hard. Does all those regular season minutes play out come playoff time though?

 

[hblueridgegal]

I watched Necas 1st game in Colorado. He was on pp1 but on the right half wall as the left is McKs. He also passed up a super high scoring chance to pass to McK. All in all not an amazing debut but I'm sure he'll figure things out. I'd probably be a bit shell shocked in his shoes.

Their whole team and coach appeared to be in disbelief about it all in the interviews afterwards and completely caught off guard.

Jack, too, as he learned he was traded from his brother and thought it was a joke.

 

[Chrispy]

Posted on the main board, but I wonder if Hall is part of Tulsky maximizing cap space to set up a deadline move.

By retaining on Rantanen and taking 100% of Hall, Tulsky maxes out cap space before Carrier goes on LTIR. Then they have close to the full $2M from Carrier and they can move out Hall as part of a future move to get back $6M in cap space if necessary.

Do I think it happens? Maybe not, but it's a brilliant maneuver if Tulsky pulls it off.