Confirmed with Link: [COL, CAR, CHI] Rantanen-Hall to CAR, Necas-Drury-25 2nd-26 4th to COL, Chi 25 3rd to Chi (Ret 50% on Mikko)

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What I love so much about Necas is how different the Avs look because of him.

When we've been talking about the Avs getting stale, and then you swap out Mikko for Necas and see how completely different they are playing the game of hockey... you have to have fresh blood and talent. It's can't just be bringing in a great bottom sixer or 4/5 dman. You need freshness at the top as well.
We'll see how Necas does in the playoffs. He hasn't always done great with Carolina there, whereas Rantanen has great playoff numbers. His start so far has been very promising though undoubtedly.

I watched the Edmonton game. He trying harder than I've seen in a very long time. We'll see if it continues, but signing with Dallas is a total revenge move. He'll be wanting to stick it to us.
It probably has way more to do with the fact that Texas is a no income tax state, the warm weather, the Finnish guys on the team, and the big city life for his family. I doubt he cares too much about revenge or things like that when making lifestyle choices.
 
We'll see how Necas does in the playoffs. He hasn't always done great with Carolina there, whereas Rantanen has great playoff numbers. His start so far has been very promising though undoubtedly.


It probably has way more to do with the fact that Texas is a no income tax state, the warm weather, the Finnish guys on the team, and the big city life for his family. I doubt he cares too much about revenge or things like that when making lifestyle choices.
Necas hasn't had a chance to play with MacK, Makar, Lehky, Val or Landy in the playoffs yet.

Mikko's numbers away from those players is not looking even as good as Necas was without them... at least so far in the regular season.
 
We'll see how Necas does in the playoffs. He hasn't always done great with Carolina there, whereas Rantanen has great playoff numbers. His start so far has been very promising though undoubtedly.


It probably has way more to do with the fact that Texas is a no income tax state, the warm weather, the Finnish guys on the team, and the big city life for his family. I doubt he cares too much about revenge or things like that when making lifestyle choices.
I'd also agree with this. He also definitely knows the sentiment his former teammates and coaches had when he was traded so it's not he left on bad terms with the team - the dude was beloved in the locker room
 
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Here's what I learned today (Montreal radio)

1- Avs didn't allow the Canes to speak to Rants before the trade (we already knew that)
2- Apparently Mikko's agent told the Canes that the Avs were aware of the 4 teams and that Carolina wasn't one of them
3- Canes didn't appreciate that and it "played a large role" into trading him right back in the central division

We may not see another Avs/Canes trade anytime soon.

I wouldnt trust anything out of that agent's mouth.
 
I wouldnt trust anything out of that agent's mouth.
We only heard about the disconnect between Mikko's camp and the Avs. We have no idea what consel his agent actually gave him.

This is definitely a case where I agree the agent works for the player. I don't think any agent would have advised their client to strut into Raleigh and tell them to f*** off, here's a list of 4 teams I'm willing to sign with if you trade me immediately.
 
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“Here's what I learned today (Montreal radio)

2- Apparently Mikko's agent told the Canes that the Avs were aware of the 4 teams and that Carolina wasn't one of them”

Why would the Avs know of Mikko’s 4 teams? If they did, then they found out from Mikko or his agent. IOW, Mikko and/or his agent WOULD HAVE HAD REASON TO CONTEMPLATE THE AVS MIGHT TRADE HIM. That doesn’t equate to CMac must only limit trading Mikko to one of those four teams. If Mikko told the Canes earlier before he was traded that he might consider signing there then shame on him.
 
“Here's what I learned today (Montreal radio)

2- Apparently Mikko's agent told the Canes that the Avs were aware of the 4 teams and that Carolina wasn't one of them”

Why would the Avs know of Mikko’s 4 teams? If they did, then they found out from Mikko or his agent. IOW, Mikko and/or his agent WOULD HAVE HAD REASON TO CONTEMPLATE THE AVS MIGHT TRADE HIM. That doesn’t equate to CMac must only limit trading Mikko to one of those four teams. If Mikko told the Canes earlier before he was traded that he might consider signing there then shame on him.
Why would the Avs give a shit about those 4 teams if Carolina was offering them the better player or the better package for our needs?

Chris offered Mikko a chance to not have to move at all. Mikko not only decided he wanted to move, but wanted to move multiple times.

Dude likes being on the road this much, it's a good thing he stayed in the central.
 
Agree with this however I would argue , as I said before, that CMac didn't even want to convince him it was the last offer. They only wanted him to THINK the final offer was a strategy. They knew he would still refuse and come back with a counter-offer. The 11.75M offer was just to look like they wanted to re-sign him. I am convinced they didn't even want to sign him over 11M. There is a reason why they stopped at 11.75M. That number showed the world they wanted to re-sign him and was the perfect number to bait him in thinking it wasn't really their last offer. Then Boom! They use their refusal as an opportunity to do what they wanted to do in the first place: trade him to use the cap space to re-balance the roster. That is why Mikko was so surprised. He thought he still had until the TDL to negotiate. Necas' breakout was key to that new direction though.

That's my theory and I am sticking to it.

I had been saying this for a while as well. I don't think the Avs were ever serious about re-signing Mikko, and I agree, this reinforces that theory. They were mostly going through the motions for PR.

It's the one thing that makes this 'makes no sense' situation make sense.

I think they had planned in the offseason that they could only sign for what would be a low ball offer in this market with all the cap raises coming up. If he didn't take it they'd move him mid season and they didn't really think he would take it.

We heard earlier that the Avs and Carolina had been talking about a Mikko trade earlier in the year, perhaps in the off season, can't remember.

If this is true that the Avs offered $11.6M, then Mikko dropped all the way to $12M, and they moved him the next day, then I'm not sure they even wanted the $11.6M number. Maybe Mikko dropping so much scared them and they were like we gotta move him asap, not at the deadline, because he may drop further and then we won't know what to do. We'll look like assholes to our fans who want to keep him.

I know the narrative has basically set in that Mikko is the asshole, and that's very hard to change when minds get made up that way here, but I really feel bad for Mikko outside the financial aspect of all this.

He was willing to take a lot less than Nate to stay. MacK's 15.09% of the cap would be $14,410,950 under next year's cap. So Mikko was willing to stay for about $2.4M less than Nate in same market as a multi 100+ point guy.

He gets traded immediately after caving, then goes to Carolina where he doesn't produce like normal in 13 games playing a totally different style. Then Avs fans start thinking he's an asshole. NHL fans and the media start shitting on him.

Then Carolina decides to trade him again. Then Canes fans start thinking he's an asshole. Sounds like he came to a deal with Edmonton but the Canes didn't like their offer. Doesn't come to a deal immediately with the Stars, who were reportedly very close to walking away, and leaving Mikko in Carolina where he's probably miserable.

Then at one point he reportedly just goes f*** it, lets just get this shit over with, and signs for $12M again. Now he's the asshole again to Avs fans, and that 1st round series is probably either gonna end with the Stars beating the Avs (which means Mikko probably played well and he's the villain) or the Avs beat the Stars (which means Mikko might not play well and will get shit on for being overrated again).

What a crazy chain of events, and butterfly effects, likely stemming from CMac and the Avs decision to reshape the team mid season. Early results say the team is better, but man Joe and CMac have shown often they're cold customers when it comes to the business side.
 
Necas was FEELIN’ IT tonight, especially late in the game when he was doing the Double Tornade, also deking out forecheckers in the defensive zone to make a controlled exit.

The talent and speed is just unreal. I thought I’d seen it all with MacKinnon and Makar but there’s something about the way he moves (cue the Beatles) that’s dynamic in its own right.
 
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FWIW Ryan Rishaug said Edmonton was very close to a contract with Mikko, but the Canes didn't like their trade offer.

Friedman also said the Canes asked for Marner from the Leafs, who supposedly told Marner their preference was to sign him, but asked if he'd waive his NMC for Carolina and he said no. Kypreos said the Leafs offered Minten, Cowan, and two 1sts.

Not sure if any of that is true, but Mikko migth have been willing to play in Canada.

Also not sure if Brind'Amour isn't talking out of his ass with his characterization.

 
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FWIW Ryan Rishaug said Edmonton was very close to a contract with Mikko, but the Canes didn't like their trade offer.

Friedman also said the Canes asked for Marner from the Leafs, who supposedly told Marner their preference was to sign him, but asked if he'd waive his NMC for Carolina and he said no. Kypreos said the Leafs offered Minten, Cowan, and two 1sts.

Not sure if any of that is true, but Mikko migth have been willing to play in Canada.

Also not sure if Brind'Amour isn't talking out of his ass with his characterization.



Yeah I posted the Leafs stuff. :D

 
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@Balthazar

I see a quoted post from you here saying among other things, you heard again on Montreal radio that the Avs didn't let Mikko talk to Carolina, but it looks like that post was deleted?

Was that part true about what you heard?

I'm still trying to figure out this CMac/Lebrun-Friedman discrepancy in reporting. Friedman seems to be sticking to that report.

I'm starting to get the feeling that the discrepancy may be that Carolina might not have talked to Mikko's agent directly, but possibly had their feeling characterized and relayed to them by the Avs.
 
What a crazy chain of events, and butterfly effects, likely stemming from CMac and the Avs decision to reshape the team mid season. Early results say the team is better, but man Joe and CMac have shown often they're cold customers when it comes to the business side.
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FWIW Ryan Rishaug said Edmonton was very close to a contract with Mikko, but the Canes didn't like their trade offer.
I really don't care what Ryan Rishaug reported. I could see Rantanen going to Edmonton as a double-retained rental for an "all in year" for them, but the long term fit is awful for all parties.

If we believe Brind'Amour that Rantanen told him he would only consider 4 locations for a long-term fit and we know he likes things such as big city, warm weather, good nightlife, and tax free states, the dots just don't connect that Edmonton could be one of those four destinations.

Furthermore, Oilers already have Draisaitl locked into a big, long contract, Nurse signed to an abomination of a contract, and then McDavid and Bouchard to deal with this summer. Where exactly does Rantanen's $12-13 million AAV fit into that?

Seems to me like GM speak to show the fans: "Hey, we tried to improve the team anyway we could, but our young trade chips got offer sheeted by Saint Louis."
 
Edmonton is the last one then.
Colorado?


E: Yeah his agent is coming across as a lying snake in the business. I understand you gotta be a bit ruthless to get your bros a contract, but destroying relationships with teams will be a huge negative going forward with your reputation. I googled a picture of Andy and he looks like he does insurance fraud annually.

Also, it is probably also true that Avs didn't really want to keep Rantanen. They saw that he was a luxury and how brutal the cap will be for us in the upcoming years, so they tried to make the best of the bad situation by getting Necas. I highly doubt CMac will want to pay Necas anything above 10.5-11 million as well IMHO.
 
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I had been saying this for a while as well. I don't think the Avs were ever serious about re-signing Mikko, and I agree, this reinforces that theory. They were mostly going through the motions for PR.

It's the one thing that makes this 'makes no sense' situation make sense.

I think they had planned in the offseason that they could only sign for what would be a low ball offer in this market with all the cap raises coming up. If he didn't take it they'd move him mid season and they didn't really think he would take it.

We heard earlier that the Avs and Carolina had been talking about a Mikko trade earlier in the year, perhaps in the off season, can't remember.

If this is true that the Avs offered $11.6M, then Mikko dropped all the way to $12M, and they moved him the next day, then I'm not sure they even wanted the $11.6M number. Maybe Mikko dropping so much scared them and they were like we gotta move him asap, not at the deadline, because he may drop further and then we won't know what to do. We'll look like assholes to our fans who want to keep him.

I know the narrative has basically set in that Mikko is the asshole, and that's very hard to change when minds get made up that way here, but I really feel bad for Mikko outside the financial aspect of all this.

He was willing to take a lot less than Nate to stay. MacK's 15.09% of the cap would be $14,410,950 under next year's cap. So Mikko was willing to stay for about $2.4M less than Nate in same market as a multi 100+ point guy.

He gets traded immediately after caving, then goes to Carolina where he doesn't produce like normal in 13 games playing a totally different style. Then Avs fans start thinking he's an asshole. NHL fans and the media start shitting on him.

Then Carolina decides to trade him again. Then Canes fans start thinking he's an asshole. Sounds like he came to a deal with Edmonton but the Canes didn't like their offer. Doesn't come to a deal immediately with the Stars, who were reportedly very close to walking away, and leaving Mikko in Carolina where he's probably miserable.

Then at one point he reportedly just goes f*** it, lets just get this shit over with, and signs for $12M again. Now he's the asshole again to Avs fans, and that 1st round series is probably either gonna end with the Stars beating the Avs (which means Mikko probably played well and he's the villain) or the Avs beat the Stars (which means Mikko might not play well and will get shit on for being overrated again).

What a crazy chain of events, and butterfly effects, likely stemming from CMac and the Avs decision to reshape the team mid season. Early results say the team is better, but man Joe and CMac have shown often they're cold customers when it comes to the business side.

There’s too much that’s conflicting to really believe anything. We’ve learned that the Avs granted access for Mikkos camp to talk with Carolina and that Mikkos camp dismissed it as negotiating tactic by the Avs. Now Mikko’s agent is complaining about what the Avs didn’t tell Carolina when he could have told them himself.

We’ve also read that Mikko’s camp told Carolina that he would have considered staying there long term. Is it that true but he got a bad vibe from Rob BA (or his system) and now Rob is trying to cover for himself?

Did the Avs pull a fast one by not disclosing to Carolina four teams or is Mikko’s inventing this fiction because he knows it’s difficult for the Avs to disprove something that didn’t happen? Also, in all of this, why did Mikko’s agent wait until this point to speak publicly? Where was he when Mikko was deer in the headlights after that trade and his agent let Mikko face the firing squad and answer all the questions alone?

Here’s another thing. Carolina was allegedly on the verge of either acquiring Miller or Pettersson instead of Mikko. Why did they choose Mikko without being comfortable with the arrangement?

There’s too much conflicting information and a lot invites a lot of scrutiny regarding the motivations of the source of the information.
 
2- Apparently Mikko's agent told the Canes that the Avs were aware of the 4 teams and that Carolina wasn't one of them”

If this is true, my respect for cMac shot up a bit. Savage move that worked out so well for Colorado.

Honestly every game I watch Necas play, I'm realizing the Avs didn't lose a significant amount on the ice giving up Rantanen. We basically got Rantanen-lite at a cap hit they can absorb without tanking the rest of the lineup. Necas looks very good next to MacKinnon.

If you had told me before hand how everything turned out, Avs getting a 2c, Mikko ending up in Dallas, I'd still happily take this deal.
 
If this is true, my respect for cMac shot up a bit. Savage move that worked out so well for Colorado.

Honestly every game I watch Necas play, I'm realizing the Avs didn't lose a significant amount on the ice giving up Rantanen. We basically got Rantanen-lite at a cap hit they can absorb without tanking the rest of the lineup. Necas looks very good next to MacKinnon.

If you had told me before hand how everything turned out, Avs getting a 2c, Mikko ending up in Dallas, I'd still happily take this deal.
I suspect quite a few of us would.
 
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If this is true, my respect for cMac shot up a bit. Savage move that worked out so well for Colorado.

Honestly every game I watch Necas play, I'm realizing the Avs didn't lose a significant amount on the ice giving up Rantanen. We basically got Rantanen-lite at a cap hit they can absorb without tanking the rest of the lineup. Necas looks very good next to MacKinnon.

If you had told me before hand how everything turned out, Avs getting a 2c, Mikko ending up in Dallas, I'd still happily take this deal.

Necas is a better player for the Avs system than Rantanen was/is.

COME AT ME PUNKS!
 
@Balthazar

I see a quoted post from you here saying among other things, you heard again on Montreal radio that the Avs didn't let Mikko talk to Carolina, but it looks like that post was deleted?

Was that part true about what you heard?
Yes but since I couldn't post a source I deleted it to avoid unnecessary drama.
 
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