Confirmed with Link: [COL, CAR, CHI] Rantanen-Hall to CAR, Necas-Drury-25 2nd-26 4th to COL, Chi 25 3rd to Chi (Ret 50% on Mikko)

[NOTENOUGHRYJOTHINGS]

Yea, there was a period there where the Avs targeted controlled entry players, I feel like that has been something they've targeted less. Maybe they are going back to that with Necas? That would be smart, their system relies on a quick transition out of the defensive zone (something that has gotten much worse with the replacement level players that regularly get played on the back end), and then controlled entries into the offensive zone.

Targeting skilled players instead of ing their pants at the thought of cloning Miles Wood and Ross Colton. I'm shocked.

I think Cmac had the right idea pivoting to a bigger heavier bottom 6 that could provide positive value in a different manner. We saw how worthless half the team was in the Seattle series.

But Bednar doesn't seem like he is willing to change up the style with the players he's given.

So if Cmac and Bednar are on board with getting the right style of players that's a good thing. No point getting more hard hitting guys like last deadline if Bednar won't use them effectively.

 

[The Abusement Park]

How long does the puck need to be in possession for it to count after a zone entry? That's where it stops..

So no they're not comparable. What happens afterwards kinda matters.

I'm only comparing them in zone entry ability... Which yes they are comparable that's just a fact. I mean Necas has been elite for exactly 57 games out of his 419 game career... Chances are he'll still be really good here over the long term but the sample size here is insanely small right now.

 

[CobraAcesS]

I'm only comparing them in zone entry ability... Which yes they are comparable that's just a fact. I mean Necas has been elite for exactly 57 games out of his 419 game career... Chances are he'll still be really good here over the long term but the sample size here is insanely small right now.

Simply entering the zone doesn't mean shit if nothing happens and possession is turned the other way.

Bura was a one man show, that didn't work most of the time. The impact on the game is not the same.

Why we're over here acting like it is, I have no idea.

 

[CobraAcesS]

Targeting skilled players instead of ing their pants at the thought of cloning Miles Wood and Ross Colton. I'm shocked.

I think Cmac had the right idea pivoting to a bigger heavier bottom 6 that could provide positive value in a different manner. We saw how worthless half the team was in the Seattle series.

But Bednar doesn't seem like he is willing to change up the style with the players he's given.

So if Cmac and Bednar are on board with getting the right style of players that's a good thing. No point getting more hard hitting guys like last deadline if Bednar won't use them effectively.

Many people thought Colton bad another gear where he could drive offense.

He didn't, lawn dart status confirmed. However, that shot can still be useful.

Let's hope Drury doesn't get sucked into the stupid void. I want LOC up with him and Colton so we have a third line.

This bullshit about having two third lines is bullshit.

I'd start there. We seen a glimpse of Drury emerging with the most ice time in the bottom six last game. More of that please.

 

[The Abusement Park]

Simply entering the zone doesn't mean shit if nothing happens and possession is turned the other way.

Bura was a one man show, that didn't work most of the time. The impact on the game is not the same.

Why we're over here acting like it is, I have no idea.

I feel like you're just completely blinded by Bura hate...? I was as anti Bura as anyone when the trade happened, but the dude was a perfect fit here. He was essentially the 2nd line version of Necas who you're gushing about. Nuke-Kadri-Bura was an insanely dominant line when they were put together. That's not to say he was perfect and could never be frustrating, but the dude was consistently pacing for 25 goals and 40 assists per season. It's really hard to ask for more from a 2nd liner than what he gave us.

 

[Pokecheque]

Simply entering the zone doesn't mean shit if nothing happens and possession is turned the other way.

Bura was a one man show, that didn't work most of the time. The impact on the game is not the same.

Why we're over here acting like it is, I have no idea.

Zone entries matter for the simple reason that the attacking team has the puck in the offensive zone first. Dump and chase teams can generate plenty of offensive zone time and possession, but they have to be elite or damn near it at puck retrieval. Carolina, the Kings in their Cup-winning prime, are two such examples. The Avs are most definitely not elite at puck retrieval, so zone entries are everything to them.

I wouldn't call Burakovsky a one-man show. That guy was phenomenal at spearheading what was at the time the best transition game in hockey. Obviously when he wasn't doing that he was a ghost, but he was a great fit for the Avs when they needed him. Necas adds that dimension while also being able to manage the puck a little better near as I can tell.

 

[SoundwaveIsCharisma]

Many people thought Colton bad another gear where he could drive offense.

He didn't, lawn dart status confirmed. However, that shot can still be useful.

Let's hope Drury doesn't get sucked into the stupid void. I want LOC up with him and Colton so we have a third line.

This bullshit about having two third lines is bullshit.

I'd start there. We seen a glimpse of Drury emerging with the most ice time in the bottom six last game. More of that please.

Yea, I want Drury and LOC together. Put the dumb dumbs together and don't let them drag others down.

 

[CobraAcesS]

Zone entries matter for the simple reason that the attacking team has the puck in the offensive zone first. Dump and chase teams can generate plenty of offensive zone time and possession, but they have to be elite or damn near it at puck retrieval. Carolina, the Kings in their Cup-winning prime, are two such examples. The Avs are most definitely not elite at puck retrieval, so zone entries are everything to them.

I wouldn't call Burakovsky a one-man show. That guy was phenomenal at spearheading what was at the time the best transition game in hockey. Obviously when he wasn't doing that he was a ghost, but he was a great fit for the Avs when they needed him. Necas adds that dimension while also being able to manage the puck a little better near as I can tell.

Ya'all are just hell bent on remembering Bura this way.

Spearheading the best transition game in hockey? This shit, right here, is the farce I'm talking about.

Then why didn't it fall flat when he became a ghost in the playoffs, and was demoted off the second line?

Nuke and Kadri didn't need him to enter the zone. They actually did shit when they crossed the blue line most of the time.

Manage the puck "a little better" lol..

Yea, I want Drury and LOC together. Put the dumb dumbs together and don't let them drag others down.

No.. keep them away from eachother or get rid of them. Colton in the right role with smarter players may have some value with that shot.

Two gonks on one line is too much being my point.

 

[Pokecheque]

Ya'all are just hell bent on remembering Bura this way.

Spearheading the best transition game in hockey? This shit, right here, is the farce I'm talking about.

Then why didn't it fall flat when he became a ghost in the playoffs, and was demoted off the second line?

Nuke and Kadri didn't need him to enter the zone. They actually did shit when they crossed the blue line most of the time.

Manage the puck "a little better" lol..

Geez man, I'm not quite sure why you're so hellbent here on saying Burakovsky didn't do shit, he was a savvy find at the time. Problematic player to be sure, and the Avs were right to let him walk right when he was set to make some $$$, but what I'm saying is not a farce. He absolutely played a pivotal role on the offense, just because he wasn't the backbone of that offense doesn't mean he didn't contribute.

But whatever, I'll admit I have an absolutely irrational, though in my mind, justified, hatred of Matt Hunwick.

 

[shadow1]

Here's the fun stat of the day: Since the trade, at 5v5, Lehkonen's GF/GA ratio: 10/0.

The not so fun stats (below) is that in the 8 games since, Colorado is still a one line team. That one line has been absolutely nuts, but the Avalanche still have severe depth issues:

#	Line	CF%	GF	GA	GF%	xGF%
1a	Lehkonen/MacKinnon/Necas	65.8%	6	0	100.0%	67.7%
1b	Drouin/MacKinnon/Necas	68.4%	1	3	25.0%	62.4%
2a	Drouin/Mittelstadt/Parssinen	51.1%	1	2	33.3%	45.5%
2b	Lehkonen/Mittelstadt/Parssinen	56.8%	2	0	100.0%	59.8%
3	Wood/Drury/Colton	51.1%	0	3	0.0%	54.8%
4	Kiviranta/Kelly/O'Connor	43.1%	1	2	33.3%	42.1%

Another horrible stat: I've been a fan of the Kivi/Kelly/O'C line this year. All the underlying metrics are good, but there's one thing that stands out...

Line	CF%	GF	GA	GF%	xGF%
Kiviranta/Kelly/O'Connor	52.7%	1	10	9.9%	52.5%

 

[Murzu]

Necas is Burakovsky on steroids. A much, much more talented Bura.

 

[NOTENOUGHRYJOTHINGS]

Bura along with world champ JTC gave the third line a matchup nightmare for opposing teams.

They were a threat to score or at least push the puck in the right direction and pounce on bad line changes or giveaways.

It really fit the Avs counter attack and fast game.

Was he crucial to victory the way the core players were? No. But to win a cup you need contributions from every player and every line. Bura filled his role and was important to the cup win.

 

[CobraAcesS]

Geez man, I'm not quite sure why you're so hellbent here on saying Burakovsky didn't do shit, he was a savvy find at the time. Problematic player to be sure, and the Avs were right to let him walk right when he was set to make some $$$, but what I'm saying is not a farce. He absolutely played a pivotal role on the offense, just because he wasn't the backbone of that offense doesn't mean he didn't contribute.

But whatever, I'll admit I have an absolutely irrational, though in my mind, justified, hatred of Matt Hunwick.

Because of ya'all saying shit like he spearheaded the best transition game in hockey. There are a few who seem to make it your mission to defend him, but you don’t stop there.

It's hilarious and infuriating at the same time.

I've never said he didn't do shit.

I hated when people defended John Mitchell’s value too. So this is just the contention window version I guess.

 

[CobraAcesS]

Bura along with world champ JTC gave the third line a matchup nightmare for opposing teams.

They were a threat to score or at least push the puck in the right direction and pounce on bad line changes or giveaways.

It really fit the Avs counter attack and fast game.

Was he crucial to victory the way the core players were? No. But to win a cup you need contributions from every player and every line. Bura filled his role and was important to the cup win.

Exactly and his role was ultimately on a third line that counted as real depth in a cup run.

We'll have that if Drury can hold down the 3C role, and we actually get Landy back.

That's the only way anyone is getting me to say I miss JTC. As the 3C, sure lol.

 

[NOTENOUGHRYJOTHINGS]

Here's the fun stat of the day: Since the trade, at 5v5, Lehkonen's GF/GA ratio: 10/0.

The not so fun stats (below) is that in the 8 games since, Colorado is still a one line team. That one line has been absolutely nuts, but the Avalanche still have severe depth issues:

#	Line	CF%	GF	GA	GF%	xGF%
1a	Lehkonen/MacKinnon/Necas	65.8%	6	0	100.0%	67.7%
1b	Drouin/MacKinnon/Necas	68.4%	1	3	25.0%	62.4%
2a	Drouin/Mittelstadt/Parssinen	51.1%	1	2	33.3%	45.5%
2b	Lehkonen/Mittelstadt/Parssinen	56.8%	2	0	100.0%	59.8%
3	Wood/Drury/Colton	51.1%	0	3	0.0%	54.8%
4	Kiviranta/Kelly/O'Connor	43.1%	1	2	33.3%	42.1%

Another horrible stat: I've been a fan of the Kivi/Kelly/O'C line this year. All the underlying metrics are good, but there's one thing that stands out...

Line	CF%	GF	GA	GF%	xGF%
Kiviranta/Kelly/O'Connor	52.7%	1	10	9.9%	52.5%

Lehk Mitts Parssinen doesn't seem like a line that should work. Maybe if you want to play a tighter defensive game those 3 can limit chances against. But nobody is scared of those 3 scoring if a mistake gets made.

That's where guys like JTC and Bura on the third line made the 22 Avs a f***ing wagon.

But if Bednar can cobble together a second line featuring Mitts that's better than absolute dog poop I'll take it as a win.

 

[Pokecheque]

Because of ya'all saying shit like he spearheaded the best transition game in hockey. There are a few who seem to make it your mission to defend him, but you don’t stop there.

It's hilarious and infuriating at the same time.

I've never said he didn't do shit.

I hated when people defended John Mitchell’s value too. So this is just the contention window version I guess.

I don't know what to say man, he was really good at zone entries and yes, the transition game greatly benefited from him. Aaaaaand when he could hit the damned net, he was one hell of a shooter too.

Yes, wildly inconsistent, thankfully the Avs had the right kind of coach for him as opposed to a guy like Barry Trotz who despised him almost as much as you do.

I wouldn't say I make it my mission to defend him. I simply didn't even think there was anyone who hated Burky that bad, he was here, helped win a Cup and now he's gone. Literally no harm done.

Now...Sammy G, yes, that's my mission, haters can get f***ed.

 

[Balthazar]

My biggest gripe with Bura was his lack of bravery. A guy that size but softer than melted butter. His testosterone level was below Marner's.

 

[CobraAcesS]

I don't know what to say man, he was really good at zone entries and yes, the transition game greatly benefited from him. Yes, wildly inconsistent, thankfully the Avs had the right kind of coach for him as opposed to a guy like Barry Trotz who despised him almost as much as you do.

I wouldn't say I make it my mission to defend him. I simply didn't even think there was anyone who hated Burky that bad, he was here, helped win a Cup and now he's gone. Literally no harm done.

Now...Sammy G, yes, that's my mission, haters can get f***ed.

Bura drove me nuts, same way John Mitchell did. If he had the puck too much it was where offense went to die.

I get using the example in needing more transition players, but the hype it too thick for me.

To bring this full circle Mikko was/is going down that path, and unfortunately Mitts seems to have caught this flu as well.

 

[The Abusement Park]

Ya'all are just hell bent on remembering Bura this way.

Spearheading the best transition game in hockey? This shit, right here, is the farce I'm talking about.

Then why didn't it fall flat when he became a ghost in the playoffs, and was demoted off the second line?

Nuke and Kadri didn't need him to enter the zone. They actually did shit when they crossed the blue line most of the time.

Manage the puck "a little better" lol..



No.. keep them away from eachother or get rid of them. Colton in the right role with smarter players may have some value with that shot.

Two gonks on one line is too much being my point.

I mean he was statistically one of the best zone entry guys in the league on the best zone entry team in the league. This isn't an opinion it's a fact lol.

Also Bura had one bad post season with the Avs, which was against Vegas. Objectively he wasn't great, I'll give you that. Other wise he had 17pts in 15 games his first season here and then 8pts in 12 games playing on the 3rd line while hurt on the way to winning a cup. A ghost in the playoffs he was not...Especially considering he has the 3rd best goals per game ratio in NHL history in elimination games.

 

[ABasin]

I don't know what to say man, he was really good at zone entries and yes, the transition game greatly benefited from him. Aaaaaand when he could hit the damned net, he was one hell of a shooter too.

Yes, wildly inconsistent, thankfully the Avs had the right kind of coach for him as opposed to a guy like Barry Trotz who despised him almost as much as you do.

I wouldn't say I make it my mission to defend him. I simply didn't even think there was anyone who hated Burky that bad, he was here, helped win a Cup and now he's gone. Literally no harm done.

Now...Sammy G, yes, that's my mission, haters can get f***ed.

I always felt he was a good shot, some decent puck skill, very little else. And certainly not worth the $5-6M per that he got.

 

[shadow1]

Burakovsky was health scratched twice against the Blues in the 2022 post-season.

I was a fan of the player, but his '21 and '22 post-seasons were extremely mixed, despite the respectable point totals.

 

[CobraAcesS]

Lehk Mitts Parssinen doesn't seem like a line that should work. Maybe if you want to play a tighter defensive game those 3 can limit chances against. But nobody is scared of those 3 scoring if a mistake gets made.

That's where guys like JTC and Bura on the third line made the 22 Avs a f***ing wagon.

But if Bednar can cobble together a second line featuring Mitts that's better than absolute dog poop I'll take it as a win.

If they were actually the third line playing behind a real 2C, I think you'd feel different. Parssinen can rip it, we've seen that.

Mitts is the same too expensive 3C JT would of been with more offensive creativity, but not as good defensively.

I mean he was statistically one of the best zone entry guys in the league on the best zone entry team in the league. This isn't an opinion it's a fact lol.

Also Bura had one bad post season with the Avs, which was against Vegas. Objectively he wasn't great, I'll give you that. Other wise he had 17pts in 15 games his first season here and then 8pts in 12 games playing on the 3rd line while hurt on the way to winning a cup. A ghost in the playoffs he was not...Especially considering he has the 3rd best goals per game ratio in NHL history in elimination games.

Again simply crossing two blue lines with the puck only to fork it over doesn't mean much.

Burakovsky was health scratched twice against the Blues in the 2022 post-season.

I was a fan of the player, but his '21 and '22 post-seasons were extremely mixed, despite the respectable point totals.

 

[Pokecheque]

I always felt he was a good shot, some decent puck skill, very little else. And certainly not worth the $5-6M per that he got.

Right, but for a guy essentially picked up off the scrap heap he was a really good find. Had no issue with him getting his $$$ with Seattle, and I was pretty confident that they wouldn't know what to do with him.

 

[ABasin]

Right, but for a guy essentially picked up off the scrap heap he was a really good find.

I agree completely.