expatriatedtexan
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Holy f***...How I got Tulsky mixed up with the dude who sends dick pics out...Who, Jiri?Their geek GM is Tulsky
I'm just gonna go sit in the corner for a moment.
Confirmed with Link: [COL, CAR, CHI] Rantanen-Hall to CAR, Necas-Drury-25 2nd-26 4th to COL, Chi 25 3rd to Chi (Ret 50% on Mikko)
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I'm just gonna go sit in the corner for a moment.
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Wining a faceoff isn't only about the guy taking the draw winning it's often it's the support when there isn't a clean win. Maybe there's something to the way the Avs set up that limits their success.
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The Avs are trying to cleanup the faceoff stuff... it's just that Bednar is too busy talking to the trainers to apparently hold a practice these days.
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The explanation for that is obviously most of Drury's faceoffs were against the Avs.
I think it will take some time out west. He's playing against an entirely different pool of centers most of the time now.
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I think @Richard88 nailed it on the head. FOs are not just indicitave of the dude taking the draw. I have no idea of the percentage, but I don't feel like I'd be off for saying nearly 50% of FOs are not won cleanly. Anything not won cleanly, is open to the hungrier and more determined team to win.
The Avs never practice, and when they do Bednar couldn't give two f***s about a faceoff.
Expecting the team to improve under Bednar who neither holds practices or works with anyone not on his top line or top d-pair is just setting ourselves up for failure.
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I knew Necas was 26, but I just realized his birthday was a few weeks ago in January. He's really about to come into his own. Avs will have him for his entire prime. This could be a potential steal of a trade.
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My suspicion on faceoffs is the same as when they sucked at 3 on 3, and 4 on 4, and it's that they don't practice it much, because they don't want to have long practices, and they want to spend most of their time on Bednar's 5 on 5 system, and special teams.
Also, I think a lot of it is the wingers.
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I've been saying this for the longest time. Mikko is 28 and we've already seen a season and half of regression from him. Big dudes typically slow down sooner.
Necas is not only two years younger, but is faster and actually engaged in all three zones. I'm not sayin Mikko isn't engaged, rather he's just f***ing useless unless he really wants to apply his will, but that has become less and less frequent by the weeks and months over the last two seasons.
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Sometimes the bigger guys can continue to play well if they're natural athletes. I think Mikko can play well into his 30's, in a similar way that Malkin could.
I agree on what Necas brings outside of offense though.
His zone entries alone are stellar. This team is built around that, and they've missed some of it with the loss of Burakovsky. It really improves their rush game, and by extension when their rush game causes chaos and panic, it can lead to defensive breakdowns with their cycle game if they don't score on the rush.
The issue is whether to split up Nate and Marty? Makes sense to spread out the elite transition games to two different lines the way Burakovsky played on a different line than Nate, but Marty and Nate have such good chemistry already.
Maybe you let them continue to build chemistry down the stretch, but if you trade for a 2C, you give him some looks with Necas to see how they work together? Good problem to have.
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Canes fans starting to get a little snippy about this.
Buyer's remorse already?
Buyer's remorse already?
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I think that is a lot of hope being tied up into his next contract. Especially since he's wanting both money and term.
Mikko Rantenan is not a safe bet for any team on a 7 year contract right now. I have no doubts he has more to show than what he has in Carolina. However, he is not anywhere near the level of player people believe he is. He's been carried by both a Norris and Hart winner his tenure here. What exactly has he done other than finish their setups?
No one is denying he's a triggerman. Triggermen who don't create jack shit themselves though aren't really worth more than 7-8M in my opinion. Someone like Necas who plays all three zones though...I'd sign him to 10M x 8 years today if he was willing.
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Mikko's playmaking is very underrated IMO. He's 9th in assists among forwards in the last five years, since 2020-21. Nate is only 11th in goal scoring among forwards in that time.
There's a reason he worked so well with Nate. He benefitted a lot from Mikko too. They're both great players, they don't leach off each other.
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Welllllllllllllll...I don't know about that. We have been told by some here that players start to regress at 27 so.............
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Mikko's playmaking?
Mikko was tied for like second in scoring a week or so ago. He's now down to 9th. He's got 39 assists and 25 goals with the Avs, he's running .33 points/game played with Carolina. I do not believe they see much value in his playmaking either.
Mikko was great at one thing and we used to get enough PPs to make it worthwhile. But if you think he is or has an engine, there is just simply no way we can see eye to eye on this one.
Mikko is like Duchene. He's a premier support player, but not one you build a team around or sink massive AAV into. In a cap-world you simply can not pay a man what Rants wants for what he does. It's suicide and you will have absolutely no depth as a result.
Now you add in him skating around and telling his goaltender he would kill him on top of all this? Even though we all wanted to throat punch Georgiev at the time, there is no way in f***ing hell a dude with a letter on jersey should be caught on camera doing that to his own goalie. f***ed up beyond belief and he should have been traded that night in my opinion.
One prime year!!Welllllllllllllll...I don't know about that. We have been told by some here that players start to regress at 27 so.............
Yeah, January 15.. I seen it right after the trade, and did a little happy dance.
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Well, if you look at what our players have done since turning 27 you might understand what we are saying.Welllllllllllllll...I don't know about that. We have been told by some here that players start to regress at 27 so.............
This might be the standard but there are also outliers who don't perform like this.
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He's obviously not as good a fit in Carolina and is having a much tougher time adjusting than Necas who's style is taylor made for the Avs.
He's also probably dealing with real post breakup blues, knowing the only team he's ever played for, and who he helped win a Cup, dumped him mid season when he still thought they had a chance to reconcile.
We've seen waaay too many very high level passes from Mikko, both in terms of talent and vision, to not think his playmaking is high level. He's made many passes in his career that very few in the NHL could make.
I know you've been upset with Mikko for a little while and that's cool, but I gotta disagree strongly with the Duchene comparison. Mikko >>>>> Duchene.
Mikko's always been a 1st liner. Duchene has mostly been a 2nd liner. Mikko's career high in points are 105, 104, and 92. Duchene's career highs are 86, 70, and 65. Mikko is a potential HOFer. Duchene is not.
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Necas is incredible.
I think he can still improve. If he keeps doing those practices with Drouin and MacK he will score more.
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