Confirmed with Link: [COL, CAR, CHI] Rantanen-Hall to CAR, Necas-Drury-25 2nd-26 4th to COL, Chi 25 3rd to Chi (Ret 50% on Mikko)

[famicommander]

Rantanen in 6 games since the trade: 1 goal, 1 assist

Necas in 7 games: 3 goals, 5 assists
Drury: 2 goals

 

[Joe Sakic]

Has anybody been watching the Canes? Like wtf is wrong with him? 2 points?!!

 

[EdAVSfan]

Has anybody been watching the Canes? Like wtf is wrong with him? 2 points?!!

You were the one who hated the trade so much. I figured you would’ve tuned in to some of the Carolina games

I haven’t seen a single minute of his games, no idea how he’s doing.

 

[flyfysher]

I like that he moves his feet.

 

[famicommander]

Has anybody been watching the Canes? Like wtf is wrong with him? 2 points?!!

Hall also only has 1 point.

My theory is it's because they totally suck monkey butt.

 

[RoyIsALegend]

These are for the full season, so they include Rantanen’s time with us.

I just want to point out the skating speed first and foremost.

Mikko is in the bottom third of speed amongst all NHL players. He drags his fat ass around the ice.

Necas is in the top 2 percentile at 98%.

Speed kills in Bednar’s system.

Also… zone entries.

Mikko at 18% compared to Necas at 94%. That means Mikko lets somebody else drive the play, Necas does it himself like an absolute machine.

 

[PAZ]

There's probably a 1% chance of this happening, but watch Rants come back and sign a 7 x $10 mil contract with us.

 

[Vaslof]

There's probably a 1% chance of this happening, but watch Rants come back and sign a 7 x $10 mil contract with us.

I was thinking maybe we buy him back as rental if Canes miss the playoffs, but I don't think that's allowed

 

[AegonLeConqueror]

We're on page 96. SHUT 'ER DOWN!

 

[The Merchant]

 

[Grigowski]

Has anybody been watching the Canes? Like wtf is wrong with him? 2 points?!!

Still shell-shocked from the trade and moving to Raleigh, away from the Colorado River....

I dont know what Carolina is planning at the TDL, but i dont see them winning it all with their current team.... And whoever thought that Rants is the one who would get them over the edge should take a long look into the mirror...

Dont get me wrong, Rants is a top-player and winger (one of the best in today´s game), but he is not the "guy".....

We just witness the "Mac-Effect".

If Rants walks into UFA and Carolina not winning the cup, this could end up as one of hardest ass-whooping-trades in recent history.... Imagine Rants missing Denver and Mac so much he signs back with us....(chances are less than 1 % for this to happen, but anyway)

CMAC should be the GM of the year right away....

 

[JoeSakic13]

There’s no way Rantanen stays this cold, but wow the early returns on this trade are promising.

Not to mention that 2nd round pick we got which we are destined to flip at the TDL.

 

[Rumplesnipeskin]

Savagery

 

[The Pwnerer]

I don't know if Rantanen is ever going to be a good fit in a Brind'Amour system that preaches on hard forchecking and cycling. He just gets too easily knocked off the puck these days for some unknown reason.

Lehkonen's dad was right. Something changed with Rantanen where he got way too comfortable on Mackinnons line and stopped moving his feet.

 

[DrunkTurtle]

The trade will age like milk for the Canes.

They have to win the cup or re‐sign Rants to a respectable deal or it will look horrendous.

 

[chet1926]

Everything negative that was said about 96 is showing up 10 fold in Carolina.

The biggest question was how was he going to do when he didn't have 29 and 8 driving play for him. Carolina has some really solid players but they don't have 29 and 8.

When 96 was here and he was asked to play without 29 it was ugly. Even though advanced stats believers would tell you otherwise. Anyone who actually watched the product on ice could tell you it was struggle bus for 96 away from 29.

Then there was the lazy/complacent factor. His effort has been mid and declining since the Cup. Watching Necas should prove this to any naysayers. Necas puts more hustle/effort in a few shifts that 96 did in a game.

Management was clearly aware of these issues and still offered the biggest winger contract ever. When it was declined, they said ok, go earn it, just not from us. So far he hasn't earned it after the trade.

 

[Chiarelli]

Holy hot takes after 2 weeks…
Rants is one of the best offensive players in the league it’s just a matter of time (though I do think his stats will take a dip in Carolina).
Hopefully Necas can keep up his production.

 

[LOFIN]

I'm not going to quote all the posts, but I just find it funny/annoying how everyone just plain ignores 7/9 years Rantanen played here and just focuses on the last one and a half seasons.

"Rantanen was not a line driver, he just leeched off from MacKinnon and Makar and advanced stats back that up".

Yes, during the last two seasons this was the case. Not so much for the previous 7 though, and you can look at advanced stats there too. There were one or two seasons there where Rantanen actually produced better without MacKinnon, and MacKinnon's production was brought up when playing with Rantanen.

It might've been the right time to cut bait with Rantanen, if his best years are already in his past. Necas seems to be trending upwards. We should be happy for that. Don't have to resort to bashing and full out lying about what Rantanen was able to achieve with this team.

 

[a mangy Meowth]

Leave Rantanen alone!

 

[RoyIsALegend]

I'm not going to quote all the posts, but I just find it funny/annoying how everyone just plain ignores 7/9 years Rantanen played here and just focuses on the last one and a half seasons.

"Rantanen was not a line driver, he just leeched off from MacKinnon and Makar and advanced stats back that up".

Yes, during the last two seasons this was the case. Not so much for the previous 7 though, and you can look at advanced stats there too. There were one or two seasons there where Rantanen actually produced better without MacKinnon, and MacKinnon's production was brought up when playing with Rantanen.

It might've been the right time to cut bait with Rantanen, if his best years are already in his past. Necas seems to be trending upwards. We should be happy for that. Don't have to resort to bashing and full out lying about what Rantanen was able to achieve with this team.

Sorry, why would we project based on 7 previous years instead of the most recent 2 years?

How does that make any sense?

I don’t think anybody discredits what Rantanen achieved as an Av. He’s the best winger in the history of this franchise. No doubt. Are we supposed to just sit on the past instead of focusing on the future?

The Rantanen we’ve seen since we won the Cup is more likely to be the Rantanen we see moving forward. That’s normal.

 

[EdAVSfan]

I'm not going to quote all the posts, but I just find it funny/annoying how everyone just plain ignores 7/9 years Rantanen played here and just focuses on the last one and a half seasons.

"Rantanen was not a line driver, he just leeched off from MacKinnon and Makar and advanced stats back that up".

Yes, during the last two seasons this was the case. Not so much for the previous 7 though, and you can look at advanced stats there too. There were one or two seasons there where Rantanen actually produced better without MacKinnon, and MacKinnon's production was brought up when playing with Rantanen.

It might've been the right time to cut bait with Rantanen, if his best years are already in his past. Necas seems to be trending upwards. We should be happy for that. Don't have to resort to bashing and full out lying about what Rantanen was able to achieve with this team.

Well, that’s obviously going to be the case. The discussion around Rantanen was always about his FUTURE contract extension. What he did in Colorado for his career is remarkable. But the reality is, when signing someone for the next 8 years, you’re going to put far more emphasis on his last year and a half vs his first 7.

His most recent play is the cause for concern long term.

In the same way Nuke was not good in his first years, his more recent years gave him his value.
In a time where guys randomly hit walls and have declines in play, it’s ever more so important to make sure you at minimum, get what you pay for

 

[Colorado Avalanche]

Holy hot takes after 2 weeks…
Rants is one of the best offensive players in the league it’s just a matter of time (though I do think his stats will take a dip in Carolina).
Hopefully Necas can keep up his production.

Yeah that's the problem though. Rantanen will put up some points but Necas can be more valuable to the team, because he doesn't have as many weaknesses.

As much as we like Rants, he has huge weaknesses.

 

[a mangy Meowth]

I'm not going to quote all the posts, but I just find it funny/annoying how everyone just plain ignores 7/9 years Rantanen played here and just focuses on the last one and a half seasons.

"Rantanen was not a line driver, he just leeched off from MacKinnon and Makar and advanced stats back that up".

Yes, during the last two seasons this was the case. Not so much for the previous 7 though, and you can look at advanced stats there too. There were one or two seasons there where Rantanen actually produced better without MacKinnon, and MacKinnon's production was brought up when playing with Rantanen.

It might've been the right time to cut bait with Rantanen, if his best years are already in his past. Necas seems to be trending upwards. We should be happy for that. Don't have to resort to bashing and full out lying about what Rantanen was able to achieve with this team.

You just wanted us to give him a thank you retirement contract out of respect even though it meant sabotaging the future

 

[LOFIN]

Sorry, why would we project based on 7 previous years instead of the most recent 2 years?

How does that make any sense?

Like I said, I've come to terms with the trade and so far it does look great for the Avs. While I think Mikko will eventually pick up his game, it's probably more likely what we've seen from Mikko the last two seasons is what Mikko is going forward. They made the right call if that is the case.

I don’t think anybody discredits what Rantanen achieved as an Av. He’s the best winger in the history of this franchise.

You only have to look a few posts above, and see what I'm talking about.

I just looked up seasons 20-21 and 21-22 from Natural Statrick. In both those seasons, Mikko had better advanced AND actual stats without MacKinnon than Nate did without Mikko. In those years, you can very much make the argument that Rantanen was the driving force of that line, because Rantanen drove his line better than MacKinnon when they were separated.

You just wanted us to give him a thank you retirement contract out of respect even though it meant sabotaging the future

Why are you putting words in my mouth? I've already said many times in this thread (and some others) that I'm fine with the trade. Jesus f***ing christ.

 

[chet1926]

Holy hot takes after 2 weeks…
Rants is one of the best offensive players in the league it’s just a matter of time (though I do think his stats will take a dip in Carolina).
Hopefully Necas can keep up his production.

Rantanen is not going to continue to be as bad as he has in his first 6 games. But there are holes in his game, without 29 covering them up, they are very obvious.

Necas is showing that his offensive game was held back in Carolina, and is now also getting the 29 boost.

It's really going to be interesting the rest of the year to see how this trade looks. For Colorado as long as Necas plays reasonably and Drury continues his solid 3rd line play it's a win. Carolina pretty much has to win the Cup or re-sign 96 long term for it to be a successful trade.