Confirmed with Link: [COL, CAR, CHI] Rantanen-Hall to CAR, Necas-Drury-25 2nd-26 4th to COL, Chi 25 3rd to Chi (Ret 50% on Mikko)

[BobRossColton]

Stutzle for Mitts++++++++++++++

Beniers for Mitts++++++++++

I'd rather stutzle too though

 

[PAZ]

If they were actually interested in signing him, they could have gotten closer to each other's numbers with an honest conversation.

The approach they took, meant they were playing hardball with a lower number, which meant Mikko's agent needed to play hardball with a higher number.

This may have resulted in the Avs thinking Mikko wouldn't sign for less than $13M+. Which sounds like it wasn't true, Mikko said he didn't need more than Nate at $12.6M.

But I'm not really convinced the Avs honestly wanted to re-sign him. I think they might have already decided they'd use his cap hit to spread around the lineup. Which arguably makes sense, especially given Cale's pending raise.

In which case, an honest conversation would have been about giving a core player and fan favorite, who had been with your team though thick and thin for 10 years, and helped you win a Cup, the respect he deserves IMO.

It sounds like the the Avs were serious in signing Mikko if Rant's side accepted their offer. But trades are complicated, Tlusty was on record saying the deal was a very complicated dance and part of the negotiation was that there could be zero leaks about any of the negotiation. This implies they didn't already decide to trade him because a leak would've actually helped bring in more offers.

You can't sit down and tell Rants he may be expendable at the right price, because if the trade falls through than you have a player that knows they aren't valued. It wasn't 'we're trading Mikko regardless of the return' but rather 'we'll trade Mikko for the right return'. In this case it was Necas + Drury + picks which is a pretty damn good return all things considered.

If there weren't any decent offers on the table i'd bet CMac ups his offer or sets a deadline on when a deal needs to get done.

 

[JoeSakic13]

My first jersey was Laine Winnipeg jersey and my second was Kotkaniemi Habs jersey... lmaooo

Can you make sure you never buy a jersey of my favorite players?

 

[Hasbro]

My first jersey was Laine Winnipeg jersey and my second was Kotkaniemi Habs jersey... lmaooo

Do me a favor and get Hellybuck jersey.

 

[Colorado Avalanche]

It sounds like the the Avs were serious in signing Mikko if Rant's side accepted their offer. But trades are complicated, Tlusty was on record saying the deal was a very complicated dance and part of the negotiation was that there could be zero leaks about any of the negotiation. This implies they didn't already decide to trade him because a leak would've actually helped bring in more offers.

You can't sit down and tell Rants he may be expendable at the right price, because if the trade falls through than you have a player that knows they aren't valued. It wasn't 'we're trading Mikko regardless of the return' but rather 'we'll trade Mikko for the right return'. In this case it was Necas + Drury + picks which is a pretty damn good return all things considered.

If there weren't any decent offers on the table i'd bet CMac ups his offer or sets a deadline on when a deal needs to get done.

I think after Carolina offered Necas + Drury and 2nd Cmac probably jumped in air for excitement. Similar level player to Rantanen at half the price of next season. Plus depth we lack badly and his beloved draft picks.

Let the future Cmac worry about Necas contract next season and for now improve the team more. He finally got some flexibility to do something. That must excite him quite a bit. He got three woods with no salary cap left. Imagine now. Woods back in the menu.

 

[FinPanda]

Can you make sure you never buy a jersey of my favorite players?

My 3rd jersey is Aho Canes jersey and hope that'll be fine for another 10 years

 

[Cousin Eddie]

Marty has registered the fastest speed of any skater in the NHL this year.

He is also skyrocketing up the 20 and 22 mph burst charts since joining the Avs. He’s now 3rd in both of them.

SPEEEEEEEEED!!!!

(Yep, MacKinnon is a freak on his own planet)

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Funny enough that peak speed for Necas was against the Avs.

I was actually wondering if we were going to see Mackinnon climb up the highest peak speed list after that one rush last night. Boi was galloping.

 

[niwotsblessing]

We won the trade.

 

[Cousin Eddie]

Listened to Strickland’s podcast from this week. Let me preface it by saying that I know he can be a tool and that he’s a bit of an Avs hater. I also know he gets his news from agents so his facts are probably exaggerated to one side a bit.

But after absolutely rinsing him last week about his whole “panic move” tweet, I listened to what he meant and I think I actually agree with him. When he said “panic move” he didn’t mean the Avs felt they had to trade him immediately or lose him for nothing. What he meant was, Carolina had this offer on the table and threatened they had to make a decision (be it Mikko, EP, Miller or whatever). Colorado obviously had concerns about what Mikko’s contract would look like in the end, they didn’t think a player like Necas would be an option to acquire anywhere else and they made the move without exploring all their potential options.

 

[EdAVSfan]

Listened to Strickland’s podcast from this week. Let me preface it by saying that I know he can be a tool and that he’s a bit of an Avs hater. I also know he gets his news from agents so his facts are probably exaggerated to one side a bit.

But after absolutely rinsing him last week about his whole “panic move” tweet, I listened to what he meant and I think I actually agree with him. When he said “panic move” he didn’t mean the Avs felt they had to trade him immediately or lose him for nothing. What he meant was, Carolina had this offer on the table and threatened they had to make a decision (be it Mikko, EP, Miller or whatever). Colorado obviously had concerns about what Mikko’s contract would look like in the end, they didn’t think a player like Necas would be an option to acquire anywhere else and they made the move without exploring all their potential options.

There’s no doubt there could be some truth to that.
At the same time though, it was said that the Avs went to a handful of teams where they had targeted players they wanted in return.
So it could be a couple of things.
Maybe Carolina was the only one at that point willing to put one of those targeted players in the trade.
Or Maybe, Necas was the best of the targeted players and once Carolina put him in the trade, there was no reason for Colorado to go back to the other teams.

I think it’s very clear that the Avs had very specific circumstances (trades) where a trade was possible. Once one of those came to fruition, they made the deal. Had there been nothing on the trade market that was appealing enough, they would’ve bit the bullet and just signed Rantanen.

 

[Balthazar]

Colorado obviously had concerns about what Mikko’s contract would look like in the end, they didn’t think a player like Necas would be an option to acquire anywhere else and they made the move without exploring all their potential options.

What we heard from other sources was that the offer has been on the table for a while.

Basically the Canes had 3 trade offers (Mikko, Miller, EP) and had to choose one. It's no coincidence that Miller got traded shortly after Rants, Canucks were waiting to see if Carolina would pick one of their guys first.

 

[LOFIN]

What we heard from other sources was that the offer has been on the table for a while.

Basically the Canes had 3 trade offers (Mikko, Miller, EP) and had to choose one. It's no coincidence that Miller got traded shortly after Rants, Canucks were waiting to see if Carolina would pick one of their guys first.

You are forgetting, Miller was almost traded even before the Rantanen trade happened. The deal with NYR only fell through because New York asked for retention in the end.

 

[Andrew Wiggin]

Listened to Strickland’s podcast from this week. Let me preface it by saying that I know he can be a tool and that he’s a bit of an Avs hater. I also know he gets his news from agents so his facts are probably exaggerated to one side a bit.

But after absolutely rinsing him last week about his whole “panic move” tweet, I listened to what he meant and I think I actually agree with him. When he said “panic move” he didn’t mean the Avs felt they had to trade him immediately or lose him for nothing. What he meant was, Carolina had this offer on the table and threatened they had to make a decision (be it Mikko, EP, Miller or whatever). Colorado obviously had concerns about what Mikko’s contract would look like in the end, they didn’t think a player like Necas would be an option to acquire anywhere else and they made the move without exploring all their potential options.

The lack of substantial pieces from the Blackhawks in the trade leads to a potentially rushed decision before those element could be hashed out to make sure it didnt fall apart completely. Probably involving Seth Jones with a first going to Chi but Carolina wouldnt go that high and talks with Vancouver sped things up before the full trade could be worked out.