Confirmed with Link: [COL, CAR, CHI] Rantanen-Hall to CAR, Necas-Drury-25 2nd-26 4th to COL, Chi 25 3rd to Chi (Ret 50% on Mikko)

[Foppa2118]

Ok, so then this deal fell apart over, at the most, $750k a year or 6m over 8 years.

Who’s to blame?

The Avs set their max at $11.75m x 8y.

Kypreos says he would’ve signed for less than MacKinnon. Kypreos’ contacts are always the agents.

Was that $750k per season, at the most, so important to Mikko to essentially force the Avalanche’s hand into a trade? He just expected to wait us out and we would eventually cave at the 11th hour before he hit free agency?

CMac wasn’t comfortable with that. This was the outcome.

Looks like the team is to blame IMO. That $750k difference is on the compromise number, not the initial ask from Mikko.

It feels to me, like maybe the Avs never really seriously intended on re-signing Mikko, unless he came at a big hometown discount.

A number around Nate's $12.6M always seemed like the no brainer compromise number. Nate's deal will be underpaid very soon, Mikko is signing under a bigger cap, and it's around $1.5M less than Drai's contract with the same agent. Very fair number for Mikko IMO.

The highest paid wingers making $11.6M signed years ago under smaller caps, Mikko is better than them, and the cap is about to take some huge jumps. Marner and Kaprizov will likely sign for bigger contracts than $12.6M soon. Potentially a lot more on the open market.

I think the Avs have changed their team building strategy in the last year.

Spending more on goaltending, trying to spend less on D then maybe realizing they need to spend more on D again, and now perhaps spending cap on a 4 line depth approach, instead of spot filling around a top heavy forward group/deep D core/cheap goaltending approach.

 

[Bender]

I truly don't get the whole 'fiasco' with this situation especially from the media. Who offered what? Who turned down how much?

Kypreos was saying the Avs offer was disrespectful ??

What does it matter???

The Avs decided internally that the most they can afford to pay a player like Mikko was $11.75M and that was the offer. They did not want to risk getting nothing so they moved him.

Moronic outsiders who think they apparently know him better than the team that's had him for the last 10 years???

 

[Foppa2118]

Reading Mikko's thoughts are like a comedy. I didn't know we were in a rush? What the f*** dude? *LMAO* You're in the final year of your contract...you were in a rush last July to get it done. You wait until the new calendar year, you've basically told the GM you have no interest in sticking around. You're good with whatever. So Chris chose "whatever" and personally, I think the team is better today than it was with the Moose playing only partly inspired sometimes.

I think it's pretty understandable for Mikko to think that. Nate, and a lot of us thought it would play out like Gabe, signing at the last minute if need be.

Also, nobody ever trades a guy like Mikko mid season. Wasn't even at the deadline either.

Following this team closely for so long, this was definitely a very abnormal move, and timing for them. The normal way it would play out, would either be he signs last minute like Gabe, or they let him walk.

I don't think the team was in a rush, I think they just might have decided in the off season they probably wouldn't re-sign him, because they wanted to use his cap hit on the forward depth and D core.

 

[expatriatedtexan]

I think it's pretty understandable for Mikko to think that. Nate, and a lot of us thought it would play out like Gabe, signing at the last minute if need be.

Also, nobody ever trades a guy like Mikko mid season. Wasn't even at the deadline either.

Following this team closely for so long, this was definitely a very abnormal move, and timing for them. The normal way it would play out, would either be he signs last minute like Gabe, or they let him walk.

I don't think the team was in a rush, I think they just might have decided in the off season they probably wouldn't re-sign him, because they wanted to use his cap hit on the forward depth and D core.

I for one love that our GMs are getting smarter. They did the same thing with Stastny. The won one, they lost one and then decided not to continue to take chances with Mikko.

 

[Alienblood]

I think it's pretty understandable for Mikko to think that. Nate, and a lot of us thought it would play out like Gabe, signing at the last minute if need be.

Also, nobody ever trades a guy like Mikko mid season. Wasn't even at the deadline either.

Following this team closely for so long, this was definitely a very abnormal move, and timing for them. The normal way it would play out, would either be he signs last minute like Gabe, or they let him walk.

I don't think the team was in a rush, I think they just might have decided in the off season they probably wouldn't re-sign him, because they wanted to use his cap hit on the forward depth and D core.

more of a rush this year because of 4 nations and the risk of injury

 

[NOTENOUGHRYJOTHINGS]

I for one love that our GMs are getting smarter. They did the same thing with Stastny. The won one, they lost one and then decided not to continue to take chances with Mikko.

If the Avs had traded Stastny way back in the day they could have as many as 3 additional Olaussons in the AHL today.

The ripples of this non trade will impact future Avs history for the next decade.

 

[Foppa2118]

more of a rush this year because of 4 nations and the risk of injury

I think the risk of injury thing is a bit of a spin from the team.

If they wanted to keep him long term, that wouldn't be a factor. It's only a factor, if they were set on trading him.

Mikko's not very injury prone either.

 

[SB]

Mikko's not very injury prone either.

This is what does bother me about the trade.

 

[lionsDen]

Gonna miss Mikko, the show must go on.

 

[Colorado Avalanche]

This is what does bother me about the trade.

True. We have very few players we can rely on.

 

[The Merchant]

I never realized that Frank was such a whiny little bitch

 

[JoeSakic13]

This team is gonna be nuts once Rantanen signs with us in the offseason

 

[Jasenr]

This team is gonna be nuts once Rantanen signs with us in the offseason

Funny thing is that when Landeskog was on the table with his contract a trade was talked about with him signing back with Avs at the offseason as a trick to get better players. Im pretty sure thats not gonna happen given the cap, but if yes they sold it well.

 

[Pokecheque]

Every additional bit of information about this deal just makes Kyle Davidson look worse and worse. So it turns out they agreed to send Hall to Carolina and retain half of a player’s salary in a three-way deal, but they didn’t know who that player was until the last minute. Like…seriously!?

 

[willy702]

I think the "it's business" comments miss the truth. For a GM the business side isn't just fitting into the cap this year and next, it's about longer term sustainability. Fast forward 5 years and the Avs as a business have to think about are they still selling the arena out and are they getting TV money.

Signing Mikko today to a huge contract if you don't think he's got more than 4 good years left could be a huge business problem. The idea of being deeper can help them be a bigger playoff threat but could also mean their window of being a playoff team and contender goes out more years.

I think this is the logic GMs are seeing in loading up 2 stars and being careful about the rest. If Necas gets 10m AAV in July he's still younger and may have a better aging curve, and that could be a huge win but we can't know for sure. But business goes 5-10 years out and those are the underrated things a GM has to be constantly thinking about.

 

[JLo217]

Honestly, I’ll miss Miko. But if you watched him dog it the last 2-3 years… it’s really telling when you see him in a Carolina jersey w/o Mack. He’ll have big games… but he looked stumbly and as low effort as ever.

 

[forsbergavs32]

Every additional bit of information about this deal just makes Kyle Davidson look worse and worse. So it turns out they agreed to send Hall to Carolina and retain half of a player’s salary in a three-way deal, but they didn’t know who that player was until the last minute. Like…seriously!?

If I’m a GM…that’s likely my first question.

 

[Jasenr]

If I’m a GM…that’s likely my first question.

Avs and Canes GMs were propably just carefull about spilling the beans to anyone else before the main trade was done.

 

[Ncit3]

I remember media members and fans of other teams massively underrating Mikko for years. MacKinnon Merchant, Lazy, or just not talking about him at all. As soon as he gets traded (especialy East) it's immediately "You don't get players like this often". And while I may agree with that I think it's quite f***ing hilarious that as soon as he leaves Colorado the narrative changes.

 

[RECKLESS]

Just listened to Lehky's dad Ismo Lehkonen's thoughts on a pod.

He basically liked the deal on the Avs side and thinks Necas will thrive in Bednars system and become a point-per-game or even a 100+ point player with Mack n Makar. Says Mikko was a big part in getting Lehky to Colorado and was a bit sentimental there. Also, thinks it is really weird to see Mikko in another jersey and his wet dream is that Mikko comes back this summer.

Also a side note from that pod (Kaljucorner), dunno if it was mentioned here yet. But when Blackhawks got their pick back it enables them to make an offer sheet somewhere next summer. That would make sense given the rising cap and Chicago's roster situation.

 

[LOFIN]

Also a side note from that pod (Kaljucorner), dunno if it was mentioned here yet. But when Blackhawks got their pick back it enables them to make an offer sheet somewhere next summer. That would make sense given the rising cap and Chicago's roster situation.

Apparently not, because the pick is for this season. Draft is before free agency

 

[RECKLESS]

Apparently not, because the pick is for this season. Draft is before free agency

Oh ok. So back to Chicago just sucking it lol.

 

[AvsCOL]

His comments would hold a lot more weight if not for the fiasco when he signed his last contract. Took it right to the wire on that negotiation too. I truly believe if he wanted to stay, the Avs would've gotten a deal done. I still think they did well in a trade, considering it opens up more cap room in the summer for Drouin and whoever else they want to extend. In a vacuum I think I would much rather Drouin + Necas than Rantanen on his own. Depth is what they've been lacking, and I like that they understood that.

 

[John Mandalorian]

Kyper calling the ”14M like Draisaitl” narrative BS, says he’s heard that Rantanen camp actually would have signed for less than what MacKinnon makes but the Avs still didn’t want to give him a deal that big.

For months the narrative has been one of this new world order from the cap going up and Draisaitl's 14M.

Now suddenly this? It seems a little self-serving.

Maybe they would have agreed to the low 12s but at what point in time? After the trade deadline?

Sorry but this seems like an agent overdoing it with a hardline tactic then trying to save face when it blows up in their face.

This pivot is awfully sudden and not coincidentally self-serving.

 

[RECKLESS]

Before the trade all Mikko said publicly was basically "we'll see how it goes." I bet he just trusted his agent and the agent played harder ball than Mikko had actually hoped for. He was sure it'll get figured out and concentrating on his work which is hockey. I'm not blaming Mikko one bit for things not working out, well maybe the one bit where he could've been more vocal on his own and not trusting the "middle man."

Anyways. Time will tell but I'm just more and more excited for Necas and Drury after that Rags game. Put it this way: nobody is missing Huberdeau in Florida.