Confirmed with Link: [COL, CAR, CHI] Rantanen-Hall to CAR, Necas-Drury-25 2nd-26 4th to COL, Chi 25 3rd to Chi (Ret 50% on Mikko)

[Colorado Avalanche]

What was his below market value though? If it was 12m instead of 14m there’s a case for something to be worked out, but if it was 13-13.5m then that still really handcuffs the team even worse than 12m.

This just feels like there’s so sort of disconnect, I’m guessing with Mikko’s agent.

Well, he has the same agent as Drai. Open market he could probably get 14x7. But if he was asking 13x8 from Avalanche its still more.

Define "normal salary". We can make plenty of comparisons, I can assure you of that.

No I just meant because you used as an example people or situations where people make normal money. It just doesn't relate to Mikkos of the world. They have different problems.

Mikkos world you are set for your life, so you think about other things than money. Or at least you should think about.(Obviously someone sees the most dollars the best offer, but that's their view).

 

[a mangy Meowth]

That's every NHL player's problem. Being alive costs money.

It doesn't cost millions of dollars though.

Let it be said though, I'm fine with the players making a lot of money. The alternative is the owners making more - which I don't think should be the case.

My point was that if you have even a fraction of that 50M, that's generational wealth. Unless you make bad decisions, you can live off that money for hundreds of years and multiple generations.

 

[Avs425]

To me this just feels like an FAFO moment.

Mikko thought he was untouchable and that the Avs needed him more than he needs the Avs so they couldn’t trade him. Thinking this, he asked for the moon and is now “surprised” that the organization that already had to deal with his high demands and hold out once, wasn’t going to play his stupid games again.

to me his body language said, damn, they called my bluff and now I don’t have the best player in the world on my line anymore. he was trying to hold out as long as possible to force C macs hand, and guess what Mikko, you did!

Love you but bye bicch

 

[Colorado Avalanche]

To me this just feels like an FAFO moment.

Mikko thought he was untouchable and that the Avs needed him more than he needs the Avs so they couldn’t trade him. Thinking this, he asked for the moon and is now “surprised” that the organization that already had to deal with his high demands and hold out once, wasn’t going to play his stupid games again.

to me his body language said, damn, they called my bluff and now I don’t have the best player in the world on my line anymore. he was trying to hold out as long as possible to force C macs hand, and guess what Mikko, you did!

Love you but bye bicch

Probably hits close. He overplayed his hand a bit.

It doesn't cost millions of dollars though.

Let it be said though, I'm fine with the players making a lot of money. The alternative is the owners making more - which I don't think should be the case.

My point was that if you have even a fraction of that 50M, that's generational wealth. Unless you make bad decisions, you can live off that money for hundreds of years and multiple generations.

Usually the third generation blows the money though haha

Too much money messes up people or especially future generations. I guess it's better to waste it yourself.

 

[dahrougem2]

What a naive world view. You as someone who's making really low salary, he'll say the exact same thing to you about 3vs4k. "I make do with 900 bucks a month, so if you want a 1000 bucks more you are a greedy piece of shit!".

These players who make a lot of money, obviously have much more expenses. And everyone one of us would always like a little bit more at our disposal.

By your logic, Nathan MacKinnon is a greedy f*** because he's making 12.6, when he could just as well make do with like 3M bucks a year.


Sure, and my point is, his situation isn't going to be that much worse. He's still on a contender, living a good life, and while he loses some friends, he also has friends in Carolina.


By this logic, none of these players should be making the money they are making, and we could just as well complain that MacKinnon insisted on becoming the highest paid player in the league instead of taking like 8M dollars, because he already was rich.

It's not naive at all. The difference for me making $90,000 now vs $120,000 next year might be the difference in saving up for my kid's university, or buying a home.

The difference for Mikko from 94M to 100M over 8 years is what? He doesn't get another luxury sports car? He doesn't get another mansion?

MacKinnon was a bit greedy, absolutely. I don't think anyone denies the "discount" he claimed to take was laughable. It doesn't change the fact that if Mikko didn't want to sign for 11.75M long term, he's an exceptionally greedy person.

 

[NorthernAvsFan]

Rantanen on a Finnish interview: (translation by me)
"I was ready to take a deal below my market value."

Then on a question about the media coming to the conclusion that his ask was too high for Colorado:
"I don't think that's correct. I don't want to talk about specific sums, but I was ready to go below my market price. That's why the trade came as a surprise."

"I honestly didn't believe I would get traded. I strongly believed that we'd re-sign at some point, but they chose otherwise."

"I'm not sad. It's time to look forwards."

His version of what his market value is might be different than what his actually market value is.

Maybe he thought the Draisaitl contract was his value and 12.5/13 is ‘below his value.’

Which, I would certainly disagree with him on.

 

[LOFIN]

To me this just feels like an FAFO moment.

Mikko thought he was untouchable and that the Avs needed him more than he needs the Avs so they couldn’t trade him.

The thing is, Mikko wasn't the only one.

 

[UncleRisto]

It doesn't cost millions of dollars though.

Let it be said though, I'm fine with the players making a lot of money. The alternative is the owners making more - which I don't think should be the case.

My point was that if you have even a fraction of that 50M, that's generational wealth. Unless you make bad decisions, you can live off that money for hundreds of years and multiple generations.

I mean good on him if he is investing it mostly. I wouldn't be.

 

[LOFIN]

It's not naive at all. The difference for me making $90,000 now vs $120,000 next year might be the difference in saving up for my kid's university, or buying a home.

And here, I can say you are a greedy bastard for even thinking about home or your kids university degree, when some people are even struggling to put food on the table.

It's the same thing just scaled up. Someone is thinking about wether buying new socks or a fresh meal, you are pondering about saving for a house or your kids degree, Mikko is pondering about what car he's buying next. It just scales up, but don't pretend like you are at the acceptable level of stopping to be greedy. For that minimun wage making waiter, you are a greedy f***, and could make do with a lot less.

 

[a mangy Meowth]

I mean good on him if he is investing it mostly. I wouldn't be.

Me either lol

And here, I can say you are a greedy bastard for even thinking about a f***ing home or your kids university degree, when some people are even struggling to put food on the table.

Yeah but that's a stupid thing to say. Do you actually think that?

 

[Colorado Avalanche]

The thing is, Mikko wasn't the only one.

That's true. It definitely shocked this team.

 

[Avs425]

The thing is, Mikko wasn't the only one.

Who do you mean?

 

[dahrougem2]

And here, I can say you are a greedy bastard for even thinking about a f***ing home or your kids university degree, when some people are even struggling to put food on the table.

And yet, the context is something you continue to be missing.

 

[Colorado Avalanche]

Who do you mean?

Maybe Makar, MacK, Toews etc all believed with Mikko they can't be touched or traded and now Mikko is gone.

And here, I can say you are a greedy bastard for even thinking about home or your kids university degree, when some people are even struggling to put food on the table.

It's the same thing just scaled up. Someone is thinking about wether buying new socks or a fresh meal, you are pondering about saving for a house or your kids degree, Mikko is pondering about what car he's buying next. It just scales up, but don't pretend like you are at the acceptable level of stopping to be greedy. For that minimun wage making waiter, you are a greedy f***, and could make do with a lot less.

These problems scale badly, that's what I meant. It just doesn't make any sense anymore. There's levels to greed. Your kid going to university isnt greedy. Buying tenth car is. Depending on your level of definition of greed.

 

[Bender]

Meet me in the Taco Bell parking lot, Sucka!

You buyin' ?

 

[Avs425]

Maybe Makar, MacK, Toews etc all believed with Mikko they can't be touched or traded and now Mikko is gone.

Ok gotcha!

 

[Vaslof]

That's every NHL player's problem. Being alive costs money.

We should all be happy that he didn't stay here and starve to death.

 

[forsbergavs32]

The biggest thing I get out of this is…

Don’t f*** with CMac

 

[a mangy Meowth]

These problems scale badly, that's what I meant. It just doesn't make any sense anymore. There's levels to greed. Your kid going to university isnt greedy. Buying tenth car is. Depending on your level of definition of greed.

If you're in anything other than ragged linens and eating bread and water only, you're greedy

 

[Colorado Avalanche]

We should all be happy that he didn't stay here and starve to death.

In his defense Moose's are big. It takes a lot of dough to feed those beasts.

 

[LOFIN]

Your kid going to university isnt greedy. Buying tenth car is. Depending on your level of definition of greed.

Yeah, sure. Ask from those who can't afford to send their kid to university.

 

[a mangy Meowth]

Yeah, sure. Ask from those who can't afford to send their kid to university.

How can you not see the distinct difference here? lmao

 

[Bill Peckerskull]

You buyin' ?

Sure. 7-layer burrito?

 

[Colorado Avalanche]

Yeah, sure. Ask from those who can't afford to send their kid to university.

Again you are comparing problems from different income group. That's exactly my point. Don't do that. Mikkos problems got nothing to do with regular people issues.

It's a different world.

 

[a mangy Meowth]

Sure. 7-layer burrito?

Knuckle tostada