Confirmed with Link: [COL, CAR, CHI] Rantanen-Hall to CAR, Necas-Drury-25 2nd-26 4th to COL, Chi 25 3rd to Chi (Ret 50% on Mikko)

[Bill Peckerskull]

Knuckle tostada

Moose knuckle? Ewwww

 

[LOFIN]

Again you are comparing problems from different income group. That's exactly my point. Don't do that. Mikkos problems got nothing to do with regular people issues.

It's a different world.

I agree. The problem you have, is that you are bunching the people with low income and those with medium income as "regular people". They are not the same thing. What was previously described as "regular" people problems in terms of buying a house, paying for a kids degreee... those are problems for people who make an average amount of money.

With actual poor people, they can't even imagine having those problems because they are strugling to pay their rent, get food on the table etc. So they are not the same thing.

I am happy that I can now envision saving for a house, buying actual commodities, spending money on new clothes and going out on weekends as I'm employed. When I struggled for 3 years with social benefits, that was not the case. So don't f***ing come here and act like everyone but a millionaire are "regular people" in same situations.

 

[jfc64]

Uhm, we just added like 2M to the cap by trading Rantanen, assuming a guy like Innala is sent down. Rantanen was 9.25, Necas + Drury is 8.25

Yes, didn't mean to shout out we are HOME... We didn't ADD cap hit, though. We got rid of 1.0 plus the hit of one more player. Drury is also a sure bet to be on the "final" team. I guess there are many small factors here.

Drouin 2.5 - MacKinnon $12,600,000 - Necas $6,500,000 (21.6)
Lehkonen $4,500,000 - Mittelstadt 5,750,000 - Nichushkin 6,125,000 (16.375)
Wood $2,500,000 - Colton $4,000,000 - O'Connor $1,050,000 (7.55)
Kelly $825,000 - Drury $1,725,000 - Parssinen $775,000 (3.325)
48.85

Toews $7,250,000 - Makar $9,000,000
Girard $5,000,000 - Manson $4,500,000
Middleton $775,000 - Malinski $850,000
27.375

Blackwood $2,350,000
Wedgewood $1,500,000
3.85

80.075 million

How do we manage the team's last three pieces? 8 million to "spend". Kiviranta and de Haan no. 21-22 so you are on your way!

A forward and a defender for the draft picks and Colton?

 

[a mangy Meowth]

I agree. The problem you have, is that you are bunching the people with low income and those with medium income as "regular people". They are not the same thing. What was previously described as "regular" people problems in terms of buying a house, paying for a kids degreee... those are problems for people who make an average amount of money.

With actual poor people, they can't even imagine having those problems because they are strugling to pay their rent, get food on the table etc. So they are not the same thing.

Why are you arguing on the internet when you could be volunteering to help the poor, sick, and hungry? Get off of here and go do some good.

 

[Colorado Avalanche]

I agree. The problem you have, is that you are bunching the people with low income and those with medium income as "regular people". They are not the same thing. What was previously described as "regular" people problems in terms of buying a house, paying for a kids degreee... those are problems for people who make an average amount of money.

With actual poor people, they can't even imagine having those problems because they are strugling to pay their rent, get food on the table etc. So they are not the same thing.

No, maybe you missed my point but every income level has their own problems. The poorest, then next next level. The problems change on every level.

 

[LOFIN]

No, maybe you missed my point but every income level has their own problems. The poorest, then next next level. The problems change on every level.

Doesn't seem like it from what you and some others posted. You are saying, Mikko shouldn't have problems, and the problems for medium income and poor people are exactly the same.

 

[a mangy Meowth]

Doesn't seem like it from what you and some others posted. You are saying, Mikko shouldn't have problems, and the problems for medium income and poor people are exactly the same.

That's like the opposite of what he said

 

[Colorado Avalanche]

Doesn't seem like it from what you and some others posted. You are saying, Mikko shouldn't have problems, and the problems for medium income and poor people are exactly the same.

Okay. Just take a break and read these things again. You are taking this way too personally.

Mikko has problems like every human but they are just different

 

[Vaslof]

And here, I can say you are a greedy bastard for even thinking about home or your kids university degree, when some people are even struggling to put food on the table.

It's the same thing just scaled up. Someone is thinking about wether buying new socks or a fresh meal, you are pondering about saving for a house or your kids degree, Mikko is pondering about what car he's buying next. It just scales up, but don't pretend like you are at the acceptable level of stopping to be greedy. For that minimun wage making waiter, you are a greedy f***, and could make do with a lot less.

You are completely out of touch with people's material conditions. Whether you can buy new socks or a new yacht is not the same thing in the slightest. Wealth inequality in the world is by far the biggest issue that exists in society and it's caused by rich f***s who never have enough and poor people like you who don't see anything wrong with it.

 

[SoundwaveIsCharisma]

Based off Mikko’s Finnish interview, I wonder if this is a John Klingberg situation where his agent got greedy and severely misled his client.

 

[Balthazar]

Doesn't seem like it from what you and some others posted. You are saying, Mikko shouldn't have problems, and the problems for medium income and poor people are exactly the same.

It will make 0 difference in Mikko's life if he makes 150M or 160M by the end of his career. ZERO. Same cars, same houses, same vacations, same everything.

Unlike someone upgrading from 1k/month to 2k a month. Or even 8k/month to 10k/month.

If you don't get that this discussion is pointless

 

[Colorado Avalanche]

Based off Mikko’s Finnish interview, I wonder if this is a John Klingberg situation where his agent got greedy and severely misled his client.

Well the same agent who is Drais agent got him 14mil, but that's a desperate Edmonton team. They will probably pay McDavid 20mil to stay there.

So maybe Rants though Colorado works the same. They don't.

 

[Bender]

Yeah true, they had to have the contract now and they didn't. Can't wait until he hits UFA.

NHL salary cap projected to jump to at least $92.4 million next season, Bettman says | NHL.com

Source btw,

Your username makes me hungry for Chinese food

 

[dahrougem2]

Well the same agent who is Drais agent got him 14mil, but that's a desperate Edmonton team. They will probably pay McDavid 20mil to stay there.

So maybe Rants though Colorado works the same. They don't.

Perhaps Mikko told his agent he wants Leon money and the agent asked for it, was told no, and never came down from there. Who knows.

All I know is if Mikko wasn't signing for 11.5M or less, I am happy he is gone.

Team first. Player second.

 

[Colorado Avalanche]

Perhaps Mikko told his agent he wants Leon money and the agent asked for it, was told no, and never came down from there. Who knows.

All I know is if Mikko wasn't signing for 11.5M or less, I am happy he is gone.

Team first. Player second.

This article was actually very interesting.

I am sure Cmac as a nerd went through some analytics and came to same conclusions:

Tilastoanalyysi: Mikko Rantanen ei ole mestaruuden jälkeen ollut johtava pelaaja ilman Nathan MacKinnonia

Colorado Avalanchen tähtipelaajien tilastoja tarkemmin analysoidessa voidaan perustellusti väittää, että Mikko Rantanen on ollut yhdessä Cale Makarin kanssa joukkueen ykköstähden Nathan MacKinnonin perässä vedettävä matkustaja.

www.jatkoaika.com

Anyway it's about analytics. MacK makes everyone he plays with way better. Makar and Rantanen don't. MacK is the real star basically. The most influential player, by far.

So if we look at these stats, Rantanen is nowhere near MacKs level or his salary.

In some ways Rantanen is definitely a bit of product of MacK. Same as Makar has inflated points probably because MacK. It's not their fault. Obviously McDavid helps other players as well as any elite player.

It just means Rantanen shouldn't make the same as MacK. I am sure Cmac knew there as well and probably came to conclusion he can get someone else and put some of Mikkos production for cheaper and then add more depth.

I think Mikkos best use is for powerplay. He could use his creativity and shot easily.

 

[SoundwaveIsCharisma]

Perhaps Mikko told his agent he wants Leon money and the agent asked for it, was told no, and never came down from there. Who knows.

All I know is if Mikko wasn't signing for 11.5M or less, I am happy he is gone.

Team first. Player second.

Yea, there is a chance that he was willing to come down from his market value, but if he set that value at 14-15 and was coming down to high 13s that still too much for the Avs.

There’s also a chance that the Avs set their own cap and were unwilling to move off of it. I guess we will see what he signs for.

 

[LOFIN]

All I know is if Mikko wasn't signing for 11.5M or less, I am happy he is gone.

I personally set the bar at MacKinnon cap. I don't think anyone is wrong for wishing a number like 11.5, but also should realize how unrealistic it is when William f***ing Nylander signed for that number last year. And Rantanen is in a tier above him.

Will be interesting in the future. Depending on the moves they make, Rantanen could still sign a bargain deal with the Canes and the Avs could still look good. But now we look at CMac with what he has up on his sleeve.

 

[dahrougem2]

This article was actually very interesting.

I am sure Cmac as a nerd went through some analytics and came to same conclusions:

Tilastoanalyysi: Mikko Rantanen ei ole mestaruuden jälkeen ollut johtava pelaaja ilman Nathan MacKinnonia

Colorado Avalanchen tähtipelaajien tilastoja tarkemmin analysoidessa voidaan perustellusti väittää, että Mikko Rantanen on ollut yhdessä Cale Makarin kanssa joukkueen ykköstähden Nathan MacKinnonin perässä vedettävä matkustaja.

www.jatkoaika.com

Anyway it's about analytics. MacK makes everyone he plays with way better. Makar and Rantanen don't. MacK is the real star basically. The most influential player, by far.

So if we look at these stats, Rantanen is nowhere near MacKs level or his salary.

Makar has been very interesting the last few years. It seems like when he's on the ice with MacKinnon, he looks generational.

When he's not on the ice with MacKinnon, things look... not the greatest. Not that he's bad, but he looks like your run-of-the-mill top pair guy rather than the ultra dominant guy who gets compared to Orr.

This team really does go as 29 goes, despite Cale demonstrating an ability in the playoffs to completely take over games.

 

[Forceberg]

You could argue about many things, whether it is right in Florida, Arizona, ... to play ice hockey. Whether players should earn that much at all, etc.
The fact is that Mikko could have afforded to continue playing in Denver with his friends. He gambled too high and that was it.

Now there are new exciting players. Go AVS!

 

[Colorado Avalanche]

Makar has been very interesting the last few years. It seems like when he's on the ice with MacKinnon, he looks generational.

When he's not on the ice with MacKinnon, things look... not the greatest. Not that he's bad, but he looks like your run-of-the-mill top pair guy rather than the ultra dominant guy who gets compared to Orr.

This team really does go as 29 goes, despite Cale demonstrating an ability in the playoffs to completely take over games.

I think Makar is the best defenseman in the league and he could have his MacK level. He just doesn't need to use it now. Interesting though how bad the analytics are for him.

Like you said, we have seen MacK-Makar. Impossible player to stop. It's there but not always. MacK is always there.

I personally set the bar at MacKinnon cap. I don't think anyone is wrong for wishing a number like 11.5, but also should realize how unrealistic it is when William f***ing Nylander signed for that number last year. And Rantanen is in a tier above him.

Will be interesting in the future. Depending on the moves they make, Rantanen could still sign a bargain deal with the Canes and the Avs could still look good. But now we look at CMac with what he has up on his sleeve.

That's true and the cap is higher now. Players salaries usually rise with that so it's not that big of a deal.

 

[Colorado Avalanche]

Yea, there is a chance that he was willing to come down from his market value, but if he set that value at 14-15 and was coming down to high 13s that still too much for the Avs.

There’s also a chance that the Avs set their own cap and were unwilling to move off of it. I guess we will see what he signs for.

Very curious if he signs with Carolina now.

 

[chet1926]

It's very clear that 96 overplayed his hand. He had an outside chance at a flush, but acted like he was sitting on 4 aces.

He wanted the bag but he also didn't want to leave his cushy post next to 29. I think he is going to quickly realize the Aho and Jarvis etc. are good players but they aren't 29. And that maybe he should have just taken slightly less to keep his ultra cushy role with the Avs.

For the Avs I think this is a great wakeup call. Things have gotten extremely stale and I feel like there was a level of complacency around the team. Almost a, it doesn't matter how we perform we'll still all be here mentality.

Trades happen they are part of the business, and 96 didn't give management much of an option. The players can be upset or frustrated all they want, this is their friend, but he put himself in this position by his decisions. Management has to do what is best for the team. Management could not cave and just give him whatever he wanted money wise, it would have been the end of us being competitive. We were already basically a 3 player team which would have become even worse if they pay 96 14M.

Now it's up CMac to build a real team with the money he has and show the core guys he is still dedicated to winning.

 

[jfc64]

Any chance for this to come true next season?

Nichushkin, Valeri$6,125,000 - MacKinnon, Nathan$12,600,000 - Rantanen, Mikko$12,500,000 (31.25)
Drouin, Jonathan$5,000,000 - Mittelstadt, Casey$5,750,000 - Necas, Martin$6,500,000 (17.25)
Lehkonen, Artturi$4,500,000 - Ritchie, Calum 0,925,000 - Parssinen, Juuso$775,000)+ (6.2)
Wood, Miles$2,500,000 - Drury, Jack$1,725,000 - O'Connor, Logan$2,500,000 (6.725)
Kelly, Parker$825,000
62.25

Toews, Devon$7,250,000 - Makar, Cale$9,000,000
Girard, Samuel$5,000,000 - Manson, Josh$4,500,000
Middleton, Keaton$775,000 - Malinski, Sam$850,000
27.375

Blackwood, MacKenzie$5,250,000
Wedgewood, Scott$1,500,000
6.75

Total Cap Hit: 96.375 (2025-26)

 

[RoyIsALegend]

Any chance for this to come true next season?

Nichushkin, Valeri$6,125,000 - MacKinnon, Nathan$12,600,000 - Rantanen, Mikko$12,500,000 (31.25)
Drouin, Jonathan$5,000,000 - Mittelstadt, Casey$5,750,000 - Necas, Martin$6,500,000 (17.25)
Lehkonen, Artturi$4,500,000 - Ritchie, Calum 0,925,000 - Parssinen, Juuso$775,000 (6.2)
Wood, Miles$2,500,000 - Drury, Jack$1,725,000 - O'Connor, Logan$2,500,000 (6.725)
Kelly, Parker$825,000
62.25

Toews, Devon$7,250,000 - Makar, Cale$9,000,000
Girard, Samuel$5,000,000 - Manson, Josh$4,500,000
Middleton, Keaton$775,000 - Malinski, Sam$850,000 (27.375)

Blackwood, MacKenzie$5,250,000
Wedgewood, Scott$1,500,000 (6.75)

Total Cap Hit: 96.375 (2025-26)

No, my friend. No.

 

[Colorado Avalanche]

It's very clear that 96 overplayed his hand. He had an outside chance at a flush, but acted like he was sitting on 4 aces.

He wanted the bag but he also didn't want to leave his cushy post next to 29. I think he is going to quickly realize the Aho and Jarvis etc. are good players but they aren't 29. And that maybe he should have just taken slightly less to keep his ultra cushy role with the Avs.

For the Avs I think this is a great wakeup call. Things have gotten extremely stale and I feel like there was a level of complacency around the team. Almost a, it doesn't matter how we perform we'll still all be here mentality.

Trades happen they are part of the business, and 96 didn't give management much of an option. The players can be upset or frustrated all they want, this is their friend, but he put himself in this position by his decisions. Management has to do what is best for the team. Management could not cave and just give him whatever he wanted money wise, it would have been the end of us being competitive. We were already basically a 3 player team which would have become even worse if they pay 96 14M.

Now it's up CMac to build a real team with the money he has and show the core guys he is still dedicated to winning.

Good post.

As much as we hated to see this. It gave this team a proper shake and now we have real possibility to make this team actually better. Maybe it doesn't work out maybe it does but at least we have a chance. Otherwise we were handcuffed. We couldn't make any changes because all the extra money would have gone to Rantanen.

It's a gamble for sure, but as much as I hate it, it also gives me a bit more hope for the better.

We still have few issues we need answers;

Nuke and Landy. These issues need to be solved for good.

But I think with Landy we are super close. I think these playoffs are his last chance most likely.

Nuke is on going issue. Should I stay or should I go. Analytics say please don't go, but the mind says f*** off.