Confirmed Trade: [COL/BUF] Casey Mittelstadt for Bowen Byram

[Sam de Mtl]

Further, it seems as though there is just a never ending goddamn supply of habs fans who keep popping in to Avs threads and can't seem to keep their opinions to themselves

Lol. You sure react strongly.

This is a main board thread. You do know there are a lot of Habs fans so it makes sense that there are a lot of Habs fans on the main boards?

These boards would be a joy if everyone kept their opinions to themselves. I look forward to the realization of your utopia.

 

[EmptyNetAssassin]

Does Colorado want to Trade for Cirelli or anyone else to get another cup?

 

[Team Cozens]

For Buffalo, this kinda feels like paying $20 to flip a coin that pays you either $10 or $25.

While there is potential upside, it just doesn't really look like great odds.

Could turn into a $50.

 

[a mangy Meowth]

Lol. You sure react strongly.

This is a main board thread. You do know there are a lot of Habs fans so it makes sense that there are a lot of Habs fans on the main boards?

These boards would be a joy if everyone kept their opinions to themselves. I look forward to the realization of your utopia.

Oh you're well within your rights to post as you please, so do carry on. And I'm fully aware that there are legions of you. It's awful. Like I said before, never ending supply of you guys.

 

[Sam de Mtl]

Oh you're well within your rights to post as you please, so do carry on. And I'm fully aware that there are legions of you. It's awful. Like I said before, never ending supply of you guys.

Interesting reasoning. Very hipster like to give a higher quality to something because less people like it.

 

[dirtydanglez]

Some avs fans are becoming notorious for bashing their players once traded to make their GM look good. It's strange because I think the GM is doing a fine job and doesn't need the sucking up to.

People were saying Newhook was crap. He isn't. Now Byram is crap? He isn't.

Just because a young player doesn't make an instant impact on a contending team doesn't mean he can't find his rhythm elsewhere.

this just sounds like sour grapes about montreals return in the newhook trade.

 

[nightonthesun]

Interesting reasoning. Very hipster like to give a higher quality to something because less people like it.

Hipster? Buddy it’s not 2011 anymore. It’s also very mainstream to say habs fans are annoying (pretty much everyone says that… so overplayed)

 

[Sam de Mtl]

Hipster? Buddy it’s not 2011 anymore. It’s also very mainstream to say habs fans are annoying (pretty much everyone says that… so overplayed)

Ok we live in a different world you and I. Plenty of hipsters in Montreal still today. It's not a current that existed for one year and stopped lol.

When you think about it, what is more mainstream than a hipster trying to be different?

 

[a mangy Meowth]

Ok we live in a different world you and I. Plenty of hipsters in Montreal still today. It's not a current that existed for one year and stopped lol.

When you think about it, what is more mainstream than a hipster trying to be different?

I'm not trying to be different I just don't like nosy habs fans who seem obsessed with us. Too many

 

[nightonthesun]

Ok we live in a different world you and I. Plenty of hipsters in Montreal still today. It's not a current that existed for one year and stopped lol.

When you think about it, what is more mainstream than a hipster trying to be different?

Well, you totally missed the pt of my post, but as a short aside: it was a cultural thing related to a bygone time and place. No one cares about not being “mainstream” anymore.. this idea survives solely because of ppl who spent the aughts shaking their fists at hipsters from behind computer screens

Anyway, does bo byram look like a hipster to you? No. Next question.

 

[McJedi]

Not likely. It's been patently obvious for over a year that the Sabres have exactly one two way forward, being Mittelstadt. That the Sabres brass cannot properly evaluate their own players is heartbreaking. Dylan Cozens is a terrible defensive forward. Tage Thompson is a bad defensive forward. Name another team that has $15 tied up into two centers that can't play defense.
This trade is a bad one for the Sabres because it almost doesn't matter how good Byram is. Unless he's a Norris candidate, this trade is a trainwreck from a team building point of view.

Having Byram will allow the Sabers to eventually trade away a lesser but still quite good player in Power. And to get your top six young C or young goal scorer wing in that deal to better balance your roster.

As you saw last night and will see many more times this season. Byram is quite a bit ahead of Power and is also better than you realized.

 

[GirardSpinorama]

Some avs fans are becoming notorious for bashing their players once traded to make their GM look good. It's strange because I think the GM is doing a fine job and doesn't need the sucking up to.

People were saying Newhook was crap. He isn't. Now Byram is crap? He isn't.

Just because a young player doesn't make an instant impact on a contending team doesn't mean he can't find his rhythm elsewhere.

Clearly you havent read this thread lol.

 

[Boxscore]

Ironically, the Avs and the Sabres are two of my favorite teams, so I love seeing a swap like this. That said, I think the Swords made out like bandits. I'm honestly surprised the Avs couldn't have landed a better forward if they were dangling a big chip like Byram. This was a massive win for the Sabres imho.

 

[lionsDen]

Lol. You sure react strongly.

This is a main board thread. You do know there are a lot of Habs fans so it makes sense that there are a lot of Habs fans on the main boards?

These boards would be a joy if everyone kept their opinions to themselves. I look forward to the realization of your utopia.

And Colorado didn’t have to pay a first to rent monohan. That all Montreal fans thought..you guys didn’t listen to us that we didn’t want him, we got our fish. Move on

Ironically, the Avs and the Sabres are two of my favorite teams, so I love seeing a swap like this. That said, I think the Swords made out like bandits. I'm honestly surprised the Avs couldn't have landed a better forward if they were dangling a big chip like Byram. This was a massive win for the Sabres imho.

Yeah Bo was one of my favorites as a fan , buyer needed to move things around. Mitte better be worth it

 

[McJedi]

I’ll give you RyJo, but Wood and Colton are not crappy forwards.

I think that Byram will eventually be a really good defenseman, but there’s no reason to make excuses for his play with the Avs the last couple of years.

There’s a lot of factors that have contributed to it, but he hasn’t been anywhere as good as he was in the playoffs during the Avs Cup run, so that’s still slightly concerning.

I think there’s significantly more risk with Byram than Mitts, but the potential reward is also higher with Byram than Mitts.

Ultimately, I think that both teams will be happy with this trade down the line.

Wood and Colton are just bottom six forwards. They can play hockey but they aren’t good hockey players. Jack Johnson and Manson can play hockey. They aren’t good hockey players.

Byram will now get to play with other good hockey players. Avs gave that opportunity to Toews and Toews is also a good hockey player so I see why they did.

But it didn’t help Byram. Now Byram will develop as expected playing with players at or near his level.

Instead of Wood, Manson, RyJo and O’Conner dragging Byram down. He’ll get Dahlin to play with.

You know which Avs player RyJo skated the most minutes with? It was Byram and by a huge amount. Byram spent a big part of this season with the very washed up RyJo.

 

[EdAVSfan]

Ironically, the Avs and the Sabres are two of my favorite teams, so I love seeing a swap like this. That said, I think the Swords made out like bandits. I'm honestly surprised the Avs couldn't have landed a better forward if they were dangling a big chip like Byram. This was a massive win for the Sabres imho.

Ironically, the Avs and the Sabres are two of my favorite teams, so I love seeing a swap like this. That said, I think the Swords made out like bandits. I'm honestly surprised the Avs couldn't have landed a better forward if they were dangling a big chip like Byram. This was a massive win for the Sabres imho.

How many teams have excess good young centers to trade?

 

[Mattilaus]

Love how Byram somehow has so much more to give even after 4 years in the league that he "will" eclipse Power but somehow Power has topped out as inferior after one and a half seasons. Even after being a 1st OA pick and a Calder finalist last season. Incredible opinions going on in here.

 

[5 Minute Major]

It would be so Buffalo to trade away Power after two seasons.

 

[Sam de Mtl]

And Colorado didn’t have to pay a first to rent monohan. That all Montreal fans thought..you guys didn’t listen to us that we didn’t want him, we got our fish. Move on


Yeah Bo was one of my favorites as a fan , buyer needed to move things around. Mitte better be worth it

"We didn't pay a first. We are so smart. We only paid a guy we had picked 4th overall 5 years ago. Damn, I hope he won't remember that the Habs did get a first for Monahan though. It would make me look dumb....".

 

[Miri]

For Buffalo, this kinda feels like paying $20 to flip a coin that pays you either $10 or $25.

While there is potential upside, it just doesn't really look like great odds.

Funny thing, i thought its other way around, that it is like this for Colorado.
I mean, Mittelstadt is on his way for another 60 point season, second in a row, at age 25. Seems he finally found his level and consistency, which is pretty much 2C.

On other hand Byram, could have first-pairing upside, but still lacks consistency and there is the health issue risk with him, as one more concussion might end his career for good.

Either way, i think this was quite a fair and even trade. Both sides lost and gain something of worth. We shall see how it turns out in the future, hopefully both fanbases end up being satisfied long-term.

EDIT: Me is stupid, i misread what you posted, then we see it the same way. Nevermind.

 

[lionsDen]

"We didn't pay a first. We are so smart. We only paid a guy we had picked 4th overall 5 years ago. Damn, I hope he won't remember that the Habs did get a first for Monahan though. It would make me look dumb...."

You aren’t much for thinking critically are you.

One is a RFA where we have a bit of control. Doesn’t have injury history/concerns. One is younger. I don’t mind paying, for a long term solution. And sakic/cmac went out and got it done. You guys sure are shortsighted.


Notice both sides are cautiously opptonistic. It was a good trade

 

[lionsDen]

It would be so Buffalo to trade away Power after two seasons.

Byfield is a good comparison here, buffalo should just weather the storm for sure

 

[Mattilaus]

Byfield is a good comparison here, buffalo should just weather the storm for sure

I just keep looking at Hedman's first 2 years in the league. Not saying Power is comparable to Hedman when it comes to talent or ceiling, just comparing the progression itself. Hedman had people saying this same stuff people are saying about Power.

 

[lionsDen]

I just keep looking at Hedman's first 2 years in the league. Not saying Power is comparable to Hedman when it comes to talent or ceiling, just comparing the progression itself. Hedman had people saying this same stuff people are saying about Power.

That a better comparable to byfield cheers

 

[McJedi]

I just keep looking at Hedman's first 2 years in the league. Not saying Power is comparable to Hedman when it comes to talent or ceiling, just comparing the progression itself. Hedman had people saying this same stuff people are saying about Power.

When you watch both Byram and Power last night. You see the flashes of a top pair player in each. Byram had more of those flashes and Power looked horrible allowing the tap in game winning goal. Byram has graduated beyond allowing those weak goals. Byram is a few years ahead of Power.

Both still have ample potential. Byram has a higher hockey IQ right now. But power has fewer games played.

Be happy. You have, by far, the best young talent in the NHL defensively.

You gripe too much. You’re definitely going to look back on your Byram angst and shake your head. He’s got all the tools to be elite. Not just top pair. Elite. Byram has more goals in this awful season of his than Dobson. And Byram has zero PP goals. He played much of this season with the Avs lousy middle six and RyJo. With very average players like Manson and Jack Johnson.