Coaching is a serious problem.

[Garry Valk]

Save us

Isn’t it Carbo’s turn again?

 

[Rapala]

Isn’t it Carbo’s turn again?

We could always give Bob Hartley a shot he's hanging around in the right places.
My wife says we could have avoided all this BS if we only would have hired Patrick Roy in the first place like we should have.
and she doesn't even watch hockey...

 

[JianYang]

I don't think hugo have any intention to fire msl at this particular stage in the game.

Maybe if some corporate stakeholders start ringing the alarm, then I suppose molson might start applying some heat downhill, but otherwise, I expect msl will have his share of time to try and figure things out as we move along.

Full blown rebuilds are ugly, particularly when you don't have the luxury to draft a mcdavid or Crosby.... and even with mcdavid it's been far more ugly than it should be.

 

[Rapala]

Hughes doesnt have the ballz to make that move.

Big ballz Gorton will have to step up.

The one thing Hughes has to deal with is the total imbalance of our squad.
He's preached building a balanced team since day one and this is the furthest thing from it.

 

[Bombshell11]

Lets just tank one last time

 

[RationalExpectations]

I don't think hugo have any intention to fire msl at this particular stage in the game.

Maybe if some corporate stakeholders start ringing the alarm, then I suppose molson might start applying some heat downhill, but otherwise, I expect msl will have his share of time to try and figure things out as we move along.

Full blown rebuilds are ugly, particularly when you don't have the luxury to draft a mcdavid or Crosby.... and even with mcdavid it's been far more ugly than it should be.

Except this is not a full rebuild. They have Suzuki CC Dach Newhook Guhle Barron who all are former 1st rounders in their D+5 to D+8. if you don t see improvement at this stage either the players are overrated and this core is not the right one, but then why would you sign them to 7/8y extensions… or the coach really sucks.

Lets just tank one last time

BUF and ANA say hi. When a team gets bad habbits, it s hard to change.

 

[Habby4Life]

Except this is not a full rebuild. They have Suzuki CC Dach Newhook Guhle Barron who all are former 1st rounders in their D+5 to D+8. if you don t see improvement at this stage either the players are overrated and this core is not the right one, but then why would you sign them to 7/8y extensions… or the coach really sucks.



BUF and ANA say hi. When a team gets bad habbits, it s hard to change.

Yep, they are following that path.

 

[JianYang]

Except this is not a full rebuild. They have Suzuki CC Dach Newhook Guhle Barron who all are former 1st rounders in their D+5 to D+8. if you don t see improvement at this stage either the players are overrated and this core is not the right one, but then why would you sign them to 7/8y extensions… or the coach really sucks.



BUF and ANA say hi. When a team gets bad habbits, it s hard to change.

I disagree. They lost Weber, price and danault in the same summer. That was an involuntary teardown. They doubled down to try and stay competitive by trading for dvorak and being active on the ufa market and grabbing savard.

Gorton came in about 2 months into that season and completely changed the org chart with a bigger focus on talent development. It is only then that the toffolis and lekhonens started getting dealt for picks and prospects and it is only then that the team went in a completely different direction.

 

[RationalExpectations]

I disagree. They lost Weber, price and danault in the same summer. That was an involuntary teardown. They doubled down to try and stay competitive by trading for dvorak and being active on the ufa market and grabbing savard.

Gorton came in about 2 months into that season and completely changed the org chart with a bigger focus on talent development. It is only then that the toffolis and lekhonens started getting dealt for picks and prospects and it is only then that the team went in a completely different direction.

I did not question the starting point of the rebuild, merely the fact that this is a full teardown

 

[HabsAddict]

Please tell me how sticking with SmartyMarty for the rest of the season will develop players?

His brilliant talent transfer?

Teaching his brilliant systems?

Learning how to win by losing?

HOW is losing with a lousy coach good for young players who are desperate to learn and take it to the next level?

Asking for a Sabres friend...

 

[Pazucha]

- Caufield, Dach and Matheson made that mistake on the PP that led to the goal and they were immediately rewarded with 4v4 time while Slaf was benched for the next 10 minutes.

- I don't get how a coach can send a player like Roy to Laval for not looking great in a pre-season game but tolerate others players awful performance for 2 months. Btw Slaf - Caufiled- Suzuki didn't even have to play these pre-season matches which I didn't find fair from Roys point of view.

- And I don't really want players to be benched or scratched I just want the coach to treat all the players the same.

- Also the coach was bragging how the team doesn't need to train PP during pre-season and was laughing about the PP questions. And now the players playing PP1 have to take the consequences of having a terrible PP.

 

[ReHabs]

- Caufield, Dach and Matheson made that mistake on the PP that led to the goal and they were immediately rewarded with 4v4 time while Slaf was benched for the next 10 minutes.

Absent better alternatives, you can't bench your best players. If other players were stepping up, sure, but no one else is stepping up and Slaf is not reliable (or: is not relied upon by MSL).

- I don't get how a coach can send a player like Roy to Laval for not looking great in a pre-season game but tolerate others players awful performance for 2 months. Btw Slaf - Caufiled- Suzuki didn't even have to play these pre-season matches which I didn't find fair from Roys point of view.

If Roy was unprofessional or underprepared, he should've been sent down. There's no reason why the Habs would be biased against Joshua Roy (far from it!) so I don't think this is a fair criticism either.

- And I don't really want players to be benched or scratched I just want the coach to treat all the players the same.

The best players are the ones who have earned the coach's trust. They're the ones who perform best in the practice, etc. The coach cannot treat them like he treats the unreliable and more inconsistent players. You lean on your dogs, it's perfectly normal and ordinary.

- Also the coach was bragging how the team doesn't need to train PP during pre-season and was laughing about the PP questions. And now the players playing PP1 have to take the consequences of having a terrible PP.

Yeah more detail work is needed tactically, across the board.

I maintain that the problems stem from how the Habs interpret or execute their tactics. MSL has to change things quickly. It seems he's a good instructor and development coach and a terrible tactical one. Hockey tactics are not at all interesting to me so I can't really chew on it more than that. Maybe some tactic wizards can explain why we suck in every phase of the game and what has to change to suck less.

 

[Pazucha]

Absent better alternatives, you can't bench your best players. If other players were stepping up, sure, but no one else is stepping up and Slaf is not reliable (or: is not relied upon by MSL).

If Roy was unprofessional or underprepared, he should've been sent down. There's no reason why the Habs would be biased against Joshua Roy (far from it!) so I don't think this is a fair criticism either.

The best players are the ones who have earned the coach's trust. They're the ones who perform best in the practice, etc. The coach cannot treat them like he treats the unreliable and more inconsistent players. You lean on your dogs, it's perfectly normal and ordinary.

Yeah more detail work is needed tactically, across the board.

I maintain that the problems stem from how the Habs interpret or execute their tactics. MSL has to change things quickly. It seems he's a good instructor and development coach and a terrible tactical one. Hockey tactics are not at all interesting to me so I can't really chew on it more than that. Maybe some tactic wizards can explain why we suck in every phase of the game and what has to change to suck less.

I didn't know that Roy acted unprofessional, I thought it was his game performance. If he was acting unprofessional then the decision to send him to laval was deserved.

 

[ReHabs]

I didn't know that Roy acted unprofessional, I thought it was his game performance. If he was acting unprofessional then the decision to send him to laval was deserved.

Correction on my part: I'm simply speculating that if Roy did not "step-up" as much as as he ought to have to take a roster spot, he won't make a difference today. He was bad in pre-season, it wasn't like he was a victim of the numbers or of waiver rules. So his coming up is likely to not achieve much.

 

[WeThreeKings]

He is being way too soft. Dancing around calling the effort unacceptable. Which it is.

Matheson can f*** up massively two games in a row but PP1 is still his.

 

[Tyson]

He is being way too soft. Dancing around calling the effort unacceptable. Which it is.

Matheson can f*** up massively two games in a row but PP1 is still his.

I watched maybe a total of 10 minutes of the game and couldn't stomach it, it's that bad of a product.

 

[WeThreeKings]

I watched maybe a total of 10 minutes of the game and couldn't stomach it, it's that bad of a product.

Hughes and Gorton have gotten a cold dose of reality that you can't accelerate a rebuild and they'll need to readjust their expectations.

But they need to have a check list of what's acceptable. Marty and the coaching staff have two jobs, they need to get the confidence back of the core players who are stepping back right now but also increase accountability and have a meritocracy.

Matheson can't get pp1 because he's a vet now. He hasn't played tell enough to keep it and Hutson has done more than enough to earn it.

 

[Kimota]

Telling you, Lemaire would be my solution. Just clog the middle of the ice, make them hard to play against. And it's easy to learn and execute for the kids. And if guys like Dach who are lost and cannot score goals, they could at least play defense properly, take their men. Just freaking do it. Hughes pride himself to be bold and innovative well that would be freaking bold.

 

[Tyson]

Hughes and Gorton have gotten a cold dose of reality that you can't accelerate a rebuild and they'll need to readjust their expectations.

But they need to have a check list of what's acceptable. Marty and the coaching staff have two jobs, they need to get the confidence back of the core players who are stepping back right now but also increase accountability and have a meritocracy.

Matheson can't get pp1 because he's a vet now. He hasn't played tell enough to keep it and Hutson has done more than enough to earn it.

Agree with everything you are saying. This once so called solid locker room appears to be in disarray. I just don't see any viable leadership.

 

[ReHabs]

Telling you, Lemaire would be my solution. Just clog the middle of the ice, make them hard to play against. And it's easy to learn and execute for the kids. And if guys like Dach who are lost and cannot score goals, they could at least play defense properly, take their men. Just freaking do it. Hughes pride himself to be bold and innovative well that would be freaking bold.

Lemaire is 79 years old.

I agree a more system-oriented coach could be useful for getting inexperienced players to play a professional game but the THINKING was that the new way of playing hockey is more fluid and MSL is on the very cutting-edge of that.

Agree with everything you are saying. This once so called solid locker room appears to be in disarray. I just don't see any viable leadership.

The positive, upbeat culture... gone! Extinguished, over-extended, or was it never there in the first place?

 

[ReHabs]

Hughes and Gorton have gotten a cold dose of reality that you can't accelerate a rebuild and they'll need to readjust their expectations.

The Newhook acquisition which you doggedly supported speaks to this. It might've been a worthwhile gamble if HuGo had taken steps to continuously improve the roster and insulate the individual players with a committee approach but leaving the roster bare and to develop organically (or whatever that term is: organic growth, natural development, etc.) was the mistake.

They tried to sit with one ass on two chairs: Take next to no steps to improve results and also expect improvement in performances.

 

[Tyson]

Lemaire is 79 years old.

I agree a more system-oriented coach could be useful for getting inexperienced players to play a professional game but the THINKING was that the new way of playing hockey is more fluid and MSL is on the very cutting-edge of that.


The positive, upbeat culture... gone! Extinguished, over-extended, or was it never there in the first place?

It seems it was there but now that there is a bit more pressure to elevate their game...not so much

 

[ReHabs]

It seems it was there but now that there is a bit more pressure to elevate their game...not so much

Of what use is the culture if it breaks under pressure in friggin November. I imagine they'd lose in a 3 game sweep in the playoffs lol.

 

[Tyson]

Of what use is the culture if it breaks under pressure in friggin November. I imagine they'd lose in a 3 game sweep in the playoffs lol.

I think the young guys are starving for leadership. Remember when the Habs had Price, Weber, Chariot, Toffolli, Gallagher, Perry, Staal, Edmundson, Allen and compare that to the guys we have now...it ain't pretty

 

[Hannibal]

Vincent should have been the coach of this team. At least the next one. The guy learned 10 years in the school of coaching from Paul Maurice.