Coaching is a serious problem.

Yoor

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You build your coaching staff around the HC, not vise versa. If Marty can’t turn it around quick, he needs to go.
I agree! I don't know why people seem to think thatwer just need to bring in competent assistant coaches to help "develop" our head coac... Does anyone see how crazy that sounds? Just hire a competent HC...problem solved. I have said this before the NHL is not where coaches go to develop. Am I taking crazy pills?
 
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I agree! I don't know why people seem to think thatwer just need to bring in competent assistant coaches to help "develop" our head coac... Does anyone see how crazy that sounds? Just hire a competent HC...problem solved. I have said this before the NHL is not where coaches go to develop. Am I taking crazy pills?
Bizarro world for sure.
 

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I agree! I don't know why people seem to think thatwer just need to bring in competent assistant coaches to help "develop" our head coac... Does anyone see how crazy that sounds? Just hire a competent HC...problem solved. I have said this before the NHL is not where coaches go to develop. Am I taking crazy pills?
It made sense given the potential for him as a coach and where the team was. But it's not looking good right now, that's for sure.
 
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I’d send Dvo to Laval and find a solid bottom 6 C who can win draws, forecheck hard and cycle the puck. Would be a good start to fixing this mess.

Newhook needs to start doing something other than head out for a leisure skate.

And finally whatever system we’re trying to deploy defensively clearly most of our players aren’t smart enough to adhere to it lol time to throw that in the trash and move on.

That might be enough to play .500 hockey for a bit lol
 

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I’d send Dvo to Laval and find a solid bottom 6 C who can win draws, forecheck hard and cycle the puck. Would be a good start to fixing this mess.

Newhook needs to start doing something other than head out for a leisure skate.

And finally whatever system we’re trying to deploy defensively clearly most of our players aren’t smart enough to adhere to it lol time to throw that in the trash and move on.

That might be enough to play .500 hockey for a bit lol
this team is very bad at cycling the puck, not big enough guys with speed to create a cycle in the ozone. We're so easy to play against as our forwards cant even take the puck away. We might have a chance against the old penguins thought
 

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This thread is a good example as to why a rebuild was delayed for so long in Montreal. The fans and the media do not have the patience to cope with it. Progression was never going to be linear and continuously upward, for the team and individual players. Also, in a rebuild, player development oftentimes supersedes the need to win.

We finally have competent management at all levels of the organization that is highly respected throughout of the NHL. Why do you think somebody like Laine accepted a trade to MTL to be coached by MSL? And you want to go back to the last 35 years of recycled hasbeens whose greatest quality is that they can speak French and won some games in the QJMHL, and are liked and promoted by RDS/sport radio buffoons?
but when players don't compete. that is why all are upset.
losing is one thing, not trying is another
 

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It made sense given the potential for him as a coach and where the team was. But it's not looking good right now, that's for sure.
I will agree with that, heck I even thought for a second that maybe he had the nack for it...until he didn't and it is now obvious.
 

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I've always felt we have very few players who can play Marty's game.
The question now becomes how much damage will we do to our culture and development if we persist?
Meaningful games later into the season is a joke when we don't seem to want to play meaningful games now.
 

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I think it's important to look at what Hughes, Gorton and St.Louis are actually doing, and what they’re working with. Lots of whinning, for things that were actually asked from the fan base to the past management groups.

They brought in a key talent with Laine, who unfortunately got injured, which set things back a bit. But look at what that says: they’re trying to add quality pieces where they can. It’s easy to criticize moves that don’t work out because of something like injury, but they’re clearly trying to build around a competitive core without sacrificing future assets. If they’re not making splashier moves, it’s likely because they’re wisely avoiding short-term, expensive contracts that could hurt long-term plans.

The truth is, Montreal isn’t an attractive destination for UFAs, as we’ve seen season after season. Hughes and Gorton can’t magically change that overnight, and they’re doing their best to build a core that might actually attract talent down the line by proving Montreal is a place where talent thrives. Patience is key here.

They’re still dealing with a lot of cap constraints from past deals, but they’ve still managed to make room for younger players. This is huge, considering how long fans have been wanting to see prospects get a shot instead of having vets overstay their ice time. Remember how frustrating it was watching young players get benched while older, less productive players stayed in the lineup? They’re actively addressing this by prioritizing the youth.

St. Louis has been great at helping young players succeed. If you look at guys like Caufield, Suzuki, Slafkovsky, Hutson , they’re showing steady improvement (Dach too to an extend, we have to give him time be this season but so far he has improved compared to his days with Chicago). Building a young core takes time, but seeing them develop under a coach who knows how to get the best out of young talent is exactly what this team needs.

Rebuilds aren’t easy, and they don’t happen overnight. Look at teams like the Panthers, Lighting, Devils, and Avs—it took years to get where they are, and they went through the same type of frustration. This is a process, and for the first time in a while, we have a management team that seems committed to building something sustainable instead of going for quick, expensive fixes.

In the end, Hughes and Gorton have a vision for this team that doesn’t mortgage the future, even if it means taking some bumps now. I think we’re finally seeing a shift from reactive decision-making to a proactive, long-term approach, and that’s a great sign for the Habs’ future.
 
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How could they see potential in someone that’s never coached before? It’s simply just liking the guy on a personal level. There’s no hockey reason as to why they made the hire.
His ideas and his natural charisma. Everybody has to start somewhere. Management wanted to get the ball rolling and be proactive instead of having him get poached. Who was available at the time again?
 

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but when players don't compete. that is why all are upset.
losing is one thing, not trying is another
So I listened to all the post game interviews and it highlights some of the problems.
To a man the players felt like they played well for two periods.
The issue I have with this is I don't consider getting outshot by a 2-1 margin playing well.
At one point in the second period it was mentioned that the slot shots were 14-3 and it wasn't for the good guys.
The Habs played a boring road game first period and that was it.
Once again the second period and the short change bit us hard.
I'd rather hear the players say we can't constantly be giving up the high grade chances we do and hope to stay in games.
Even if we managed to stay in the game and eke out a point I still couldn't be satisfied with those metrics.
 
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His ideas and his natural charisma. Everybody has to start somewhere. Management wanted to get the ball rolling and be proactive instead of having him get poached. Who was available at the time again?
Sorry but the NHL isn’t a development league for head coaches. Like we aren’t talking about a guy that just happened to be an assistant somewhere for a couple of years. We are talking about a guy who coached his 13 year old son’s team.
 

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His ideas and his natural charisma. Everybody has to start somewhere. Management wanted to get the ball rolling and be proactive instead of having him get poached. Who was available at the time again?
Sorry but hiring MSL was a stretch. His so called charisma is not helping this team...sorry.
 

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but when players don't compete. that is why all are upset.
losing is one thing, not trying is another
and why don't players try you think? I hope I am not misinterpreting what you are saying..but to me when players "don't try" it is usually a good indicator that the coach isn't getting through or the players don't like/agree or whatever with what the coach is doing/asking. In other words they have given up because it isn't working. At least that is how i see it...could be wrong maybe they just don't like playing hockey.
 

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Sorry but the NHL isn’t a development league for head coaches. Like we aren’t talking about a guy that just happened to be an assistant somewhere for a couple of years. We are talking about a guy who coached his 13 year old son’s team.
I'm sure a dinosaur coach that plays Gallagher on the first line and bench Hutson for his defensive mistake would have been better for the development of the core. I mean just look at the line up, second youngest in the league, Heineman is playing on the first line, and the d corp is filled with young players, knowing it takes longer at this position to get steady play from them. Tf are you guys expecting? Effort? Give me a break, how do you mesure this metrics? System? St.Louis clearly has a long term vision for this team and the system he tries to implement, yes, might be harder than what guys like Therrien and Julien might go for. I rather these guys try to learn how to play as a unit with a modern style of play and growth in it until they actually become like one of those dynamic team, instead of shooting low with a conservative style but still lose because the roster is not just there yet.
 
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Sorry but hiring MSL was a stretch. His so called charisma is not helping this team...sorry.
Before this season, was MSL doing an awful job in your opinion and would the results have been any different? I'm sorry I don't understand the complaining when this team is in a rebuild.

This season is a definite problem but you guys are shitting all over what was accomplished last year. I take what MSL did to this team over some the dinosaurs we've had. Maybe St.Louis is Denis Savard in CHI 2.0 but Savard had his influence on the Hawks dynasty
 
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Yoor

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I think it's important to look at what Hughes, Gorton and St.Louis are actually doing, and what they’re working with. Lots of whinning, for things that were actually asked from the fan base to the past management groups.

They brought in a key talent with Laine, who unfortunately got injured, which set things back a bit. But look at what that says: they’re trying to add quality pieces where they can. It’s easy to criticize moves that don’t work out because of something like injury, but they’re clearly trying to build around a competitive core without sacrificing future assets. If they’re not making splashier moves, it’s likely because they’re wisely avoiding short-term, expensive contracts that could hurt long-term plans.

The truth is, Montreal isn’t an attractive destination for UFAs, as we’ve seen season after season. Hughes and Gorton can’t magically change that overnight, and they’re doing their best to build a core that might actually attract talent down the line by proving Montreal is a place where talent thrives. Patience is key here.

They’re still dealing with a lot of cap constraints from past deals, but they’ve still managed to make room for younger players. This is huge, considering how long fans have been wanting to see prospects get a shot instead of having vets overstay their ice time. Remember how frustrating it was watching young players get benched while older, less productive players stayed in the lineup? They’re actively addressing this by prioritizing the youth.

St. Louis has been great at helping young players succeed. If you look at guys like Caufield, Suzuki, Slafkovsky, Hutson , they’re showing steady improvement (Dach too to an extend, we have to give him time be this season but so far he has improved compared to his days with Chicago). Building a young core takes time, but seeing them develop under a coach who knows how to get the best out of young talent is exactly what this team needs.

Rebuilds aren’t easy, and they don’t happen overnight. Look at teams like the Panthers, Lighting, Devils, and Avs—it took years to get where they are, and they went through the same type of frustration. This is a process, and for the first time in a while, we have a management team that seems committed to building something sustainable instead of going for quick, expensive fixes.

In the end, Hughes and Gorton have a vision for this team that doesn’t mortgage the future, even if it means taking some bumps now. I think we’re finally seeing a shift from reactive decision-making to a proactive, long-term approach, and that’s a great sign for the Habs’ future.
That's great and everything and I agree with it all really..but we are talking about the coaching here specifically and when you are doing all the little things right as you point out in your excellent post it is imperative that you have a good coach/teacher to help in accomplishing that vision and plan. A misstep there and that can actually set you back even further in my humble opinion. These are critical years for the core of this team and the up and coming talent.
 

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I think the bitching about the hire is a bit much.

What were we to do, hire Vigneault and have done Therrien, Julien and Vigneault TWICE? We don't need to go down that road.

Marty has done a better job developing youth than any coach we've had in a long time, so in ways he was the right hire. The experiment now is to see if he can transition from being a developmental coach to one who can instill a culture of accountability, systems, etc. that transforms a team into one capable of winning.

Right now he is failing that test because his accountability doesn't apply to the veterans who are playing terribly and making things hurt. We have so many young players in the lineup that we can't have Xhekaj throwing a pizza in the middle and then Dvorak doing it the next game and doubling down on it later. Xhekaj is learning and growing, Dvorak is a veteran. He should be making the simple and effective play to keep things afloat while the kids have their ups and downs.

But often times Armia, Dvorak, Matheson and Savard are the worst players on the ice. None of them are seeing a decrease in duties, threatened to be scratched, benched, etc.

And he's also just doubling down on his systems that aren't working. If they can't execute a hybrid system right now, SIMPLIFY and ADD to the simplified system. They aren't going to get better at your system if at the end of the night they've given up 4+ goals again.
 

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Tony Marinaro is ripping into Habs having an inexperienced coaching staff that has fewer years of experience combined behind the NHL bench than Pascal Vincent alone. Just joined, but getting a feeling we are not a fan of St Louis.

Another word that came up - "soff".
 

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So I listened to all the post game interviews and it highlights some of the problems.
To a man the players felt like they played well for two periods.

The issue I have with this is I don't consider getting outshot by a 2-1 margin playing well.
At one point in the second period it was mentioned that the slot shots were 14-3 and it wasn't for the good guys.
The Habs played a boring road game first period and that was it.
Once again the second period and the short change bit us hard.
I'd rather hear the players say we can't constantly be giving up the high grade chances we do and hope to stay in games.
Even if we managed to stay in the game and eke out a point I couldn't be satisfied with those metrics.

Natural Stat Trick say's scoring chances where 11-2 for the Caps after 2 period but the coach think that they where ok, when you are dominated like that it's just a question of time
 
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