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26Mats

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I'm glad MSL is mixing up the lines. I think there may be some better chemistry that he can find that can help the team. If Slaf and Dach can become a duo, along with Cole and Suzuki, plus the bottom six has the Evans line going, and then you get the Newhook-Armia duo that did well last year, that could be 4 decent lines.

Just need to fill in Kapanen, Heineman, and Dvo with which of those duos they have the most chemistry.

MSL's lines at practice:

Caufield-Suzuki-Heineman
Anderson-Evans-Gallagher
Slafkovsky-Dach-Kapanen
Armia-Newhook-Dvorak
 
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I'm glad MSL is mixing up the lines. I think there may be some better chemistry that he can find that can help the team. If Slaf and Dach can become a duo, along with Cole and Suzuki, plus the bottom six has the Evans line going, and then you get the Newhook-Armia duo that did well last year, that could be 4 decent lines.

Just need to fill in Kapanen, Heineman, and Dvo with which of those duos they have the most chemistry.

MSL's lines at practice:

Caufield-Suzuki-Heineman
Anderson-Evans-Gallagher
Slafkovsky-Dach-Kapanen
Armia-Newhook-Dvorak
Unless Gallagher can pot one it looks like an easy shutout for Charlie.:help:
 

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Matheson’s value has skyrocketed because he was the only offensive defenceman on the team last year and put up points. He’s always been shit defensively. Mailloux is horrible, why bring him up? Barron stinks too. Savard has regressed, that much is obvious. He’s certainly not better. Xhekaj has become worse, he’s even too scared to be an enforcer now. Guhle is the only one that looks good but he’s just simply the smartest and most talented one.

I have to say this is an improvement over declaring regressions for entire d corps. Matheson clearly made a significant jump in performance. He's now an asset that can be moved for 1st rounder ++. The fact Mailloux is on the team has nothing to do with MSL. That is entirely up to the GM. Savard is older, and struggled this season, but he had a good season last year under MSL. Xhekaj was always a project. A young sixth D has been entrusted the role of protecting our team. That's a huge responsibility. Who else is there to fill that role? That's on MSL? So really, it seems to me that you're just plain frustrated we're already not in the playoffs in spite of being second youngest team in league with a number of key injuries, and that you've chosen to manage that frustration by generalizing and finding an easy culprit.
 

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Lol he should be the assistant coach
We can go for a Waddell / Tulsky dynamic where Waddell is the mouthpiece and Tulsky creates the game plan and analytics.

I'm glad MSL is mixing up the lines. I think there may be some better chemistry that he can find that can help the team. If Slaf and Dach can become a duo, along with Cole and Suzuki, plus the bottom six has the Evans line going, and then you get the Newhook-Armia duo that did well last year, that could be 4 decent lines.

Just need to fill in Kapanen, Heineman, and Dvo with which of those duos they have the most chemistry.

MSL's lines at practice:

Caufield-Suzuki-Heineman
Anderson-Evans-Gallagher
Slafkovsky-Dach-Kapanen
Armia-Newhook-Dvorak
Yeah I was wondering why he seemed to have abandoned his "duos" concept so far this season.
 
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I have a super dumb question because there is no way i can be as smart as our coaching brain trust.

There are a million little details that are NOT going to be figured out by Mailman or X or any of our players not named Hutson or Guhle. Are there multiple defensive coaches who take the defenseman on the side and try to teach them those details?

I wrote elsewhere about getting in position to receive a pass. That requires a fairly high level of hockey sense (or brain processor) because you need to position oneself by analyzing your opponents relative positions AND YOUR passer position and ability. All of that in ONE second. Bad decisions that i see happen dozens of times a game.

Whose teaching and correcting? Because from my experience in manufacuring, developing good practices takes a pile of time...through silly level of repetition...and patience.
 
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I have a super dumb question because there is no way i can be as smart as our coaching brain trust.

There are a million little details that are NOT going to be figured out by Mailman or X or any of our players not named Hutson or Guhle. Are there multiple defensive coaches who take the defenseman on the side and try to teach them those details?

I wrote elsewhere about getting in position to receive a pass. That requires a fairly high level of hockey sense (or brain processor) because you need to position oneself by analyzing your opponents relative positions AND YOUR passer position and ability. All of that in ONE second. Bad decisions that i see happen dozens of times a game.

Whose teaching and correcting? Because from my experience in manufacuring, developing good practices takes a pile of time...through silly level of repetition...and patience.
I can't speak to it directly to this but we've seen and read stuff about Adam Nicholas working with players on the little details. One that I remember being written about was Slaf and how to maintain puck possession while absorbing contact. It was related to moving your stick off the puck right before contact to avoid the puck being jostled loose when the hit transfers from the body to the stick to the puck.
 

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I can't speak to it directly to this but we've seen and read stuff about Adam Nicholas working with players on the little details. One that I remember being written about was Slaf and how to maintain puck possession while absorbing contact. It was related to moving your stick off the puck right before contact to avoid the puck being jostled loose when the hit transfers from the body to the stick to the puck.
Details matter...and those details must become instinct.

Unlike other sports like baseball, hockey needs decades of playing to turn everything into instinct. When players lose some of that development time, it shows in the lack of proper reactions. We generally call that "hockey sense" where in fact it's just reacting to a situation where it happen a hundred times before, be it street hockey, peewee or junior.

Even in the NHL level, players still need "finishing school" for details that matter.
 

Sorinth

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Details matter...and those details must become instinct.

Unlike other sports like baseball, hockey needs decades of playing to turn everything into instinct. When players lose some of that development time, it shows in the lack of proper reactions. We generally call that "hockey sense" where in fact it's just reacting to a situation where it happen a hundred times before, be it street hockey, peewee or junior.

Even in the NHL level, players still need "finishing school" for details that matter.
It doesn't take decades to learn and use small details or NHL habits/tips/tricks that make a player more effective. We already saw Slaf implementing the stuff NIcholas was teaching last year.

You asked if we have someone to teach our players the small details, the answer is yes we do.
 

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I am done commenting on how brutal the coaches are, we are stuck with them.
I hope/don't think we will stink this bad all year long so I'm ok with MSL for the tank. Have another great draft and then give him a short leash for 2025-2026. Hugo going to make noise wether it's now, TDL, draft, summer, etc. Expectations will be very high
 

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