Coaching is a serious problem.

[26Mats]

I'm glad MSL is mixing up the lines. I think there may be some better chemistry that he can find that can help the team. If Slaf and Dach can become a duo, along with Cole and Suzuki, plus the bottom six has the Evans line going, and then you get the Newhook-Armia duo that did well last year, that could be 4 decent lines.

Just need to fill in Kapanen, Heineman, and Dvo with which of those duos they have the most chemistry.

MSL's lines at practice:

Caufield-Suzuki-Heineman
Anderson-Evans-Gallagher
Slafkovsky-Dach-Kapanen
Armia-Newhook-Dvorak

 

[Rapala]

I'm glad MSL is mixing up the lines. I think there may be some better chemistry that he can find that can help the team. If Slaf and Dach can become a duo, along with Cole and Suzuki, plus the bottom six has the Evans line going, and then you get the Newhook-Armia duo that did well last year, that could be 4 decent lines.

Just need to fill in Kapanen, Heineman, and Dvo with which of those duos they have the most chemistry.

MSL's lines at practice:

Caufield-Suzuki-Heineman
Anderson-Evans-Gallagher
Slafkovsky-Dach-Kapanen
Armia-Newhook-Dvorak

Unless Gallagher can pot one it looks like an easy shutout for Charlie.

 

[Frankenheimer]

Matheson’s value has skyrocketed because he was the only offensive defenceman on the team last year and put up points. He’s always been shit defensively. Mailloux is horrible, why bring him up? Barron stinks too. Savard has regressed, that much is obvious. He’s certainly not better. Xhekaj has become worse, he’s even too scared to be an enforcer now. Guhle is the only one that looks good but he’s just simply the smartest and most talented one.

I have to say this is an improvement over declaring regressions for entire d corps. Matheson clearly made a significant jump in performance. He's now an asset that can be moved for 1st rounder ++. The fact Mailloux is on the team has nothing to do with MSL. That is entirely up to the GM. Savard is older, and struggled this season, but he had a good season last year under MSL. Xhekaj was always a project. A young sixth D has been entrusted the role of protecting our team. That's a huge responsibility. Who else is there to fill that role? That's on MSL? So really, it seems to me that you're just plain frustrated we're already not in the playoffs in spite of being second youngest team in league with a number of key injuries, and that you've chosen to manage that frustration by generalizing and finding an easy culprit.

 

[Shred]

Lol he should be the assistant coach

We can go for a Waddell / Tulsky dynamic where Waddell is the mouthpiece and Tulsky creates the game plan and analytics.

I'm glad MSL is mixing up the lines. I think there may be some better chemistry that he can find that can help the team. If Slaf and Dach can become a duo, along with Cole and Suzuki, plus the bottom six has the Evans line going, and then you get the Newhook-Armia duo that did well last year, that could be 4 decent lines.

Just need to fill in Kapanen, Heineman, and Dvo with which of those duos they have the most chemistry.

MSL's lines at practice:

Caufield-Suzuki-Heineman
Anderson-Evans-Gallagher
Slafkovsky-Dach-Kapanen
Armia-Newhook-Dvorak

Yeah I was wondering why he seemed to have abandoned his "duos" concept so far this season.

 

[habbubba]

Unless Gallagher can pot one it looks like an easy shutout for Charlie.

Seeing Gallagher play last night he reminded me of the movie Chimps on ice they way he moves around.lol

 

[26Mats]

Unless Gallagher can pot one it looks like an easy shutout for Charlie.

@Rapala !

Finally Dvo on the wing! And some thought it would never happen!!!!!

 

[HabsAddict]

I have a super dumb question because there is no way i can be as smart as our coaching brain trust.

There are a million little details that are NOT going to be figured out by Mailman or X or any of our players not named Hutson or Guhle. Are there multiple defensive coaches who take the defenseman on the side and try to teach them those details?

I wrote elsewhere about getting in position to receive a pass. That requires a fairly high level of hockey sense (or brain processor) because you need to position oneself by analyzing your opponents relative positions AND YOUR passer position and ability. All of that in ONE second. Bad decisions that i see happen dozens of times a game.

Whose teaching and correcting? Because from my experience in manufacuring, developing good practices takes a pile of time...through silly level of repetition...and patience.

 

[Sorinth]

I have a super dumb question because there is no way i can be as smart as our coaching brain trust.

There are a million little details that are NOT going to be figured out by Mailman or X or any of our players not named Hutson or Guhle. Are there multiple defensive coaches who take the defenseman on the side and try to teach them those details?

I wrote elsewhere about getting in position to receive a pass. That requires a fairly high level of hockey sense (or brain processor) because you need to position oneself by analyzing your opponents relative positions AND YOUR passer position and ability. All of that in ONE second. Bad decisions that i see happen dozens of times a game.

Whose teaching and correcting? Because from my experience in manufacuring, developing good practices takes a pile of time...through silly level of repetition...and patience.

I can't speak to it directly to this but we've seen and read stuff about Adam Nicholas working with players on the little details. One that I remember being written about was Slaf and how to maintain puck possession while absorbing contact. It was related to moving your stick off the puck right before contact to avoid the puck being jostled loose when the hit transfers from the body to the stick to the puck.

 

[Catanddogguitarrr]

Well no I never said demote him but he probably should’ve started there

I know but what is done is done. Management beleive in MSL, that's their man, there could be improvement who assist him to improve the product.

 

[HabsAddict]

I can't speak to it directly to this but we've seen and read stuff about Adam Nicholas working with players on the little details. One that I remember being written about was Slaf and how to maintain puck possession while absorbing contact. It was related to moving your stick off the puck right before contact to avoid the puck being jostled loose when the hit transfers from the body to the stick to the puck.

Details matter...and those details must become instinct.

Unlike other sports like baseball, hockey needs decades of playing to turn everything into instinct. When players lose some of that development time, it shows in the lack of proper reactions. We generally call that "hockey sense" where in fact it's just reacting to a situation where it happen a hundred times before, be it street hockey, peewee or junior.

Even in the NHL level, players still need "finishing school" for details that matter.

 

[Sorinth]

Details matter...and those details must become instinct.

Unlike other sports like baseball, hockey needs decades of playing to turn everything into instinct. When players lose some of that development time, it shows in the lack of proper reactions. We generally call that "hockey sense" where in fact it's just reacting to a situation where it happen a hundred times before, be it street hockey, peewee or junior.

Even in the NHL level, players still need "finishing school" for details that matter.

It doesn't take decades to learn and use small details or NHL habits/tips/tricks that make a player more effective. We already saw Slaf implementing the stuff NIcholas was teaching last year.

You asked if we have someone to teach our players the small details, the answer is yes we do.

 

[Tyson]

I am done commenting on how brutal the coaches are, we are stuck with them.

 

[HabzSauce]

I am done commenting on how brutal the coaches are, we are stuck with them.

I hope/don't think we will stink this bad all year long so I'm ok with MSL for the tank. Have another great draft and then give him a short leash for 2025-2026. Hugo going to make noise wether it's now, TDL, draft, summer, etc. Expectations will be very high

 

[HabsAddict]

The problem is that if we don't show any progress now, we're suppose to do what next year? Improve by 25 points?

If we at least turn in an 85-90 point season than add Demidov, we can push to 100 points with him and more development.

To expect us to go from 75 to 100 points is a bit on the fantasy side.

 

[Miller Time]

Maybe, if we time it right, we can land a cup winning coach like Sullivan, Torts or Bednar.

Beyond the cup ring, what do they also have in common? All 3 have teams with a worse GA than our "terribly coached" group.

Ignore that MSL's D & G group are 28M worth of assets and each of them are working with a group costing 32-38M...

Ignore that the three of them combined are coaching 5 dmen under 25 whereas he's got only 2 dmen over 23 to work with...

Clearly if we had one of them working with our group, their experience and ability would get more out of our group than they are getting out of their older, more experienced and more expensive groups... Clearly.

I get it now

 

[Lafleurs Guy]

So why respond. There’s an easy solution.

You come into a thread that’s created to vent about the coaching issue and are upset that someone is venting about it.

You’re allowed to rebut stuff you think is silly. It’s a discussion board.

 

[Lafleurs Guy]

Are you going to reproach management, also? They said in pre-season they expect to be in the mix for the playoffs. Does this team look like they're in the mix?

So it's one of two things. Either management miscalculated or MSL's concepts don't work in the real world.

Or it’s really early in the season…

We expected to be around.500 and that’s where we are.

 

[HabsAddict]

It doesn't take decades to learn and use small details or NHL habits/tips/tricks that make a player more effective. We already saw Slaf implementing the stuff NIcholas was teaching last year.

You asked if we have someone to teach our players the small details, the answer is yes we do.

Decades of playing hockey...

Even in Junior levels, players will make and hone moves they will make for all their NHL career. For example something like gap control, it's the same judgement...but vastly different speeds.

We had players like Komisarek who was beaten like a mule on the outside. He started playing hockey at 11. Most Canadian kids have enormous amount of hours of play and practice already sunk into the sport at various levels.

Komisarek never learned and was gone by his early 30s.

 

[Lafleurs Guy]

Unfortunately the NHL isn’t a development league for head coaches. Every defender has regressed since he’s been hired. Luckily the young forwards typically look good but he clearly only understands one end of the ice. We need a coach for the other end.

The NHL is a tough place for blueliners to develop. I don’t think that’s necessarily a coaching issue. We’re just really green.

Most of us knew we’d be bad defensively and that wasn’t factoring in coaching.

 

[Lafleurs Guy]

Decades of playing hockey...

Even in Junior levels, players will make and hone moves they will make for all their NHL career. For example something like gap control, it's the same judgement...but vastly different speeds.

We had players like Komisarek who was beaten like a mule on the outside. He started playing hockey at 11. Most Canadian kids have enormous amount of hours of play and practice already sunk into the sport at various levels.

Komisarek never learned and was gone by his early 30s.

Komisarek got punched out…

 

[Miller Time]

Tocchet & Nucks blanked 6-0...

Not one dman under 25.

Guess Vancouver fans should fire up the "coaching is a serious problem" thread on their board...

 

[Rapala]

@Rapala !

Finally Dvo on the wing! And some thought it would never happen!!!!!

LOL
A center relegated to a 4th line wing is one step from the door.

 

[Rapala]

Tocchet & Nucks blanked 6-0...

Not one dman under 25.

Guess Vancouver fans should fire up the "coaching is a serious problem" thread on their board...

Let me know when his team loses 5 in a row at home while giving up 30 goals.
The problems we face are in front of us for all to see no need to deflect the issues and look elsewhere.
Let me know when you have something positive to say about this coaching staff and their methods in game or otherwise.
10 games into the season and we are still lost in our own end lost on our breakouts and lost on our fore check.

No worries the PK and the PP are doing well...

 

[Tyson]

Let me know when his team loses 5 in a row at home while giving up 30 goals.
The problems we face are in front of us for all to see no need to deflect the issues and look elsewhere.
Let me know when you have something positive to say about this coaching staff and their methods in game or otherwise.
10 games into the season and we are still lost in our own end lost on our breakouts and lost on our fore check.

No worries the PK and the PP are doing well...

Well said @Rapala

 

[Lafleurs Guy]

Let me know when his team loses 5 in a row at home while giving up 30 goals.
The problems we face are in front of us for all to see no need to deflect the issues and look elsewhere.
Let me know when you have something positive to say about this coaching staff and their methods in game or otherwise.
10 games into the season and we are still lost in our own end lost on our breakouts and lost on our fore check.

No worries the PK and the PP are doing well...

Is it surprising that we’d be lost in our own end though?

It’s totally predictable. Most (many) of us said we would be before the season even began. It’s the greenest blueline in the league and we’ve got Matheson who isn’t exactly Mr Defense.