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That's exactly what they do when the opposition cycles the puck, great analogy. We have witnessed 2 minute shifts of our players gassed from simply chasing the play lol, teams even change on the fly with possession in our zone.

Also, what happened to the promise of high tempo hockey? I see most of them dumping the puck and no physical forecheck and speed in attempts to regain it. There is very little if any neutral zone pressure and our young defenders are being exposed and it isn't just because they are inexperienced. There are serious flaws and overall, the team looks worse than last year.
I saw our best players getting out of our zone and instead of carrying the puck as much as they can in offensive zone, they just dumped the puck once the central line was crossed, they went to the bench exhausted. Habs are not 'possession' puck team this year. It's that bad these days, it might get better, I dunno when. I can see we are still in the deep low moment of our rebuilt. Patience, patience.
 

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They spend so much time chasing in their end when they do retrieve the puck they have no gas left to go on the attack. This horrible D zone strategy (lol) is impacting the offense as well.

All we heard was they would be organically better plus Dach is back, blah blah. This team is worse than last years even though they added talent (lane and Dach) because it doesn’t compete like they did last year and it isnt well coached or ready to play.
Laine hasn't played a game but I don't think that if he came back 100 percent healthy that he would make a big difference. Center ice is where we are really hurting, there isn't really anything after Suzuki and he can only have two linemates so theres that. Dach was traded from a rebuilding team despite only being 21 years old and a third overall pick and it must have been more than just injury issues that led to the trade.
 
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Laine hasn't played a game but I don't think that if he came back 100 percent healthy that he would make a big difference. Center ice is where we are really hurting, there isn't really anything after Suzuki and he can only have two linemates so theres that. Dach was traded from a rebuilding team despite only being 21 years old and a third overall pick and it must have been more than just injury issues that led to the trade.
Dach is not in his 'game'. Looks like his last 2 years of injury slowed his developpment a bit. Hopefully he will get some of his game back, like Slaf last year and recently.
 

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Laine hasn't played a game but I don't think that if he came back 100 percent healthy that he would make a big difference. Center ice is where we are really hurting, there isn't really anything after Suzuki and he can only have two linemates so theres that. Dach was traded from a rebuilding team despite only being 21 years old and a third overall pick and it must have been more than just injury issues that led to the trade.
Yes, well said. The team as is it is poorly constructed. Why they didn’t add a vet D in the off season is beyond me.

They have 5 legit forwards (CC, NS, Slaf, and maybe Dach and Newhook) and after that it is brutal. NS has to carry this team and if he is off they got nothing.

D, this even worse. Guhle, Lane, and Math are all playing in the slot (depth wise) and after them they have big pieces.

This team is no where close to being in the mix. Hugo better add next off season or we will begin talking lottery again next November.
 
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Laine hasn't played a game but I don't think that if he came back 100 percent healthy that he would make a big difference. Center ice is where we are really hurting, there isn't really anything after Suzuki and he can only have two linemates so theres that. Dach was traded from a rebuilding team despite only being 21 years old and a third overall pick and it must have been more than just injury issues that led to the trade.
Chicago mismanaged his injury badly. I don’t think there was any love lost in that move.

And Dach has shown he can be a really good player. This year’s brutal and some of that’s to be expected. But the whole club isn’t doing well.
 

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Ahh I see, so it’s ok for McDavid or Draisaitl, or Petersson but not Price?

Last I checked that player didn’t play a large portion of the last 30-years.

First playoff experience 2008 - what about 1994-2007?

1994 to Price are widely regarded as the darkest years of this franchise

And from Price until now, including the 2021 fake season madness, we were never really *serious* cup contenders i'm sorry, he never had the support cast to be anything more than a bubble team and that's a whole other topic

does being a bubble team mean we sucked? idk, probably not, but it could've been so much better. We've been stuck between dogshit and just decent for 30 years if you prefer that
 
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Chicago mismanaged his injury badly. I don’t think there was any love lost in that move.

And Dach has shown he can be a really good player. This year’s brutal and some of that’s to be expected. But the whole club isn’t doing well.
I mean, I guess he has? I have seen a few good games from him but mostly inconsistent play and the poor guy can't stay healthy. Even though Hughes made the call to him on air at the draft and people were excited by it, he also kept his cards close to his vest by giving him a short term contract. He didn't do that on a whim.
 
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Yes, well said. The team as is it is poorly constructed. Why they didn’t add a vet D in the off season is beyond me.

They have 5 legit forwards (CC, NS, Slaf, and maybe Dach and Newhook) and after that it is brutal. NS has to carry this team and if he is off they got nothing.

D, this even worse. Guhle, Lane, and Math are all playing in the slot (depth wise) and after them they have big pieces.

This team is no where close to being in the mix. Hugo better add next off season or we will begin talking lottery again next November.
Hugo will make every attempt to add in the summer, Armia and Dvorak will be gone and we have 12 picks in the draft so you would have to think there will be improvements plus Demidov is coming. I expect a push for the playoffs next year and it might be under the guidance of a new coach.
 

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Hugo will make every attempt to add in the summer, Armia and Dvorak will be gone and we have 12 picks in the draft so you would have to think there will be improvements plus Demidov is coming. I expect a push for the playoffs next year and it might be under the guidance of a new coach.
If they don’t add veteran D to the lineup and keep this coach we will be talking draft in November 2025
 
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We have the worst goal differential in the league - so either we have the worst roster in the league or MSL can't get through to the players

If they don’t add veteran D to the lineup and keep this coach we will be talking draft in November 2025
That's what they want - we'll decide next year that it's good to tank for one more year to get a shot at Gavin McKenna, and then we'll miss out on him in the lottery and blame it on bad luck
 

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Dach is not in his 'game'. Looks like his last 2 years of injury slowed his developpment a bit. Hopefully he will get some of his game back, like Slaf last year and recently.
Dach hasn't really shown much at the NHL level but for some players the 300 game mark is an accurate representation of what they are as an NHL player. He needs to find some consistency in his game, same as Newhook, 2 goals last night and needs to keep it up.
 
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We have the worst goal differential in the league - so either we have the worst roster in the league or MSL can't get through to the players


That's what they want - we'll decide next year that it's good to tank for one more year to get a shot at Gavin McKenna, and then we'll miss out on him in the lottery and blame it on bad luck
Yep, some folks are ok with just another year in the top 5.

They can’t draft their way to being a cup contender. Next season he better get busy.
 

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Dach hasn't really shown much at the NHL level but for some players the 300 game mark is an accurate representation of what they are as an NHL player. He needs to find some consistency in his game, same as Newhook, 2 goals last night and needs to keep it up.
I’m leaning to when his contract is up he won’t be a Hab. Don’t see him ever being a legit 2c.
 
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Yep, some folks are ok with just another year in the top 5.

They can’t draft their way to being a cup contender. Next season he better get busy.
You actually can. Colorado did it. Tampa Bay did it. Los Angeles did it. Chicago did it. Pittsburgh did it.
 

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You actually can. Colorado did it. Tampa Bay did it. Los Angeles did it. Chicago did it. Pittsburgh did it.
Colorado added Bourque, Roy, Lek, Lemieux, Keane, Kadri, Toews, LA added Carter, Richards, Williams. Chi added Versteeg, Sharp, Hossa. Pitt added Sykora, Hornquist, Satan, Kunitz.

You have to add quality veterans to the young core, try again!
 

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Sorry but you have to add pieces to the puzzle. Colorado added Bourque, Roy, Lek, Lemieux, Keane, Kadri, Toews, LA added Carter, Richards, Williams. Chi added Versteeg, Sharp, Hossa. Pitt added Sykora, Hornquist, Satan, Kunitz.

Try again!
I meant building the core. As in drafting 3-4 core pieces.

Do you feel we already have our in place to compete?
 

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I meant building the core. As in drafting 3-4 core pieces.

Do you feel we already have our in place to compete?

Ok, 3-4 core pieces, sure.

No, I don’t. I’m not very impressed with the core at all. In fact, imo, this core compared to all the teams you mentioned above is incredibly inferior. However, at some point they have to add quality veterans or you become Buffalo & Ottawa stuck in a rebuild cycle of shitty hockey.

I know we are getting a top 5 this yr so there is another piece.

I’m not impressed with Hugo to be honest.
 

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Ok, 3-4 core pieces, sure.

No, I don’t. I’m not very impressed with the core at all. In fact, imo, this core compared to all the teams you mentioned above is incredibly inferior. However, at some point they have to add quality veterans or you become Buffalo & Ottawa stuck in a rebuild cycle of shitty hockey.

I know we are getting a top 5 this yr so there is another piece.

I’m not impressed with Hugo to be honest.
I like the value they got when selling vets (Chiarot, Toffoli, Monahan) and the draft. Not a fan of those failed project, albeit I was happy to get Dach at first. I never wanted to rush the rebuild, I buy into the mentality of cut the dead wood, you suck for a couple of years, draft your elite core and build around them after. From what has worked around the league, this seems to be a blueprint to more of less follow if you want to rebuild. IMO the project type trades were unnecessary at the stage we we’re in.
 

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Tony Marinaro on his french radio show this morning has been talking about Marty's body language behind the bench. He said he often looks deflated and defeated. And it's not the kind of body language you want your players to see the coach have during a rebuild.

He posted this on his Twitter:
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And it is true that MSL does this often.

That is the issue having a young beginning coach with young players. It makes no sense to me.
 

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That's exactly what they do when the opposition cycles the puck, great analogy. We have witnessed 2 minute shifts of our players gassed from simply chasing the play lol, teams even change on the fly with possession in our zone.

Also, what happened to the promise of high tempo hockey? I see most of them dumping the puck and no physical forecheck and speed in attempts to regain it. There is very little if any neutral zone pressure and our young defenders are being exposed and it isn't just because they are inexperienced. There are serious flaws and overall, the team looks worse than last year.
How right or wrong is Max Lapierre?
Are we just a terrible skating team with little overall speed and piss poor stamina.
I've often felt that myself and wondered if it's the reason why we hardly press anywhere ever.
 
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