Coach Killers

[mobilus]

I'm predicting Keefe will be gone by the end of November.

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[leafers]

Who’s out there though?
Someone mentioned Galant - thoughts on him?

 

[TMLBlueandWhite]

I can't believe this guy still has a job as it is.

He should have been let go after the Montreal embarassment. He should have been let go after blowing the series to Tampa. And he should have been let go after the Florida fiasco.

His whole strategy is to overplay the stars.

If that doesn't work just overplay them some more. It worked so well every time in the past. Just keep doing the same thing over and over again.

Great coaches can adapt.

They have the intelligence and instinct to adjust their strategy. If I owned a hockey team I would aspire for a great coach. Instead of the mediocre one currently in charge of the Toronto Maple Leafs.

Keeping Keefe around is how you end up with a "respect in the handshake lineup is reward enough" mentality.

 

[Captain Crunch]

For me it all comes down to Shanahan and his undying belief in this core, the core that has been in the playoffs 7 straight years (for JT it’s been 5), and has only managed to win one playoff round. The same core that has rarely “started on time”, disappeared during parts of games, a team that has consistently been called soft and easy to play against. I really thought that after the trade deadline last season this would finally be the year they would make a deep playoff run, but look what happened.
Now this season with all the new players, as well as the ones still remaining from the trade deadline, that this year should be very promising. Yes, it’s still too early to tell because they still need time to gel. But will Keefe keep lines intact long enough for this to happen? And will Marner and Matthews ever be separated long enough if they want 3 balanced scoring lines? If not, is it because M&M only want to play with each other? And if that is the case, what kind of effect does that have on the other players?

 

[alliuk12]

I can't believe this guy still has a job as it is.

He should have been let go after the Montreal embarassment. He should have been let go after blowing the series to Tampa. And he should have been let go after the Florida fiasco.

His whole strategy is to overplay the stars.

If that doesn't work just overplay them some more. It worked so well every time in the past. Just keep doing the same thing over and over again.

Great coaches can adapt.

They have the intelligence and instinct to adjust their strategy. If I owned a hockey team I would aspire for a great coach. Instead of the mediocre one currently in charge of the Toronto Maple Leafs.

Keeping Keefe around is how you end up with a "respect in the handshake lineup is reward enough" mentality.

He’s cheap just what the leafs want

 

[Niagara Bill]

For me it all comes down to Shanahan and his undying belief in this core, the core that has been in the playoffs 7 straight years (for JT it’s been 5), and has only managed to win one playoff round. The same core that has rarely “started on time”, disappeared during parts of games, a team that has consistently been called soft and easy to play against. I really thought that after the trade deadline last season this would finally be the year they would make a deep playoff run, but look what happened.
Now this season with all the new players, as well as the ones still remaining from the trade deadline, that this year should be very promising. Yes, it’s still too early to tell because they still need time to gel. But will Keefe keep lines intact long enough for this to happen? And will Marner and Matthews ever be separated long enough if they want 3 balanced scoring lines? If not, is it because M&M only want to play with each other? And if that is the case, what kind of effect does that have on the other players?

The effect is already seen.
WN gets run and NOBODY shows up. In a league where clean hits causes brawls, to a Leaf team that has no respect for each other, 4 games into the season. 4 games in you play the team that beat the poop out of you last playoffs and you fail to show up. Tkachuk chewing on his mouth guard as he face washes a team mate and you don't hate that.
Maybe it is impossible to add heart to this top 5 plus the coach. They are the only consistently thing for the past 7 years. JT added 5 yrs ago, Nothing changes. When Schenn walked away, and he did walk away, that was the final tell tail. He was cheaper than Klingberg with a better affect to win NOW.

 

[Nineteen67]

The effect is already seen.
WN gets run and NOBODY shows up. In a league where clean hits causes brawls, to a Leaf team that has no respect for each other, 4 games into the season. 4 games in you play the team that beat the poop out of you last playoffs and you fail to show up. Tkachuk chewing on his mouth guard as he face washes a team mate and you don't hate that.
Maybe it is impossible to add heart to this top 5 plus the coach. They are the only consistently thing for the past 7 years. JT added 5 yrs ago, Nothing changes. When Schenn walked away, and he did walk away, that was the final tell tail. He was cheaper than Klingberg with a better affect to win NOW.

I’d love Gallant, but he wouldn’t be a good fit because this group couldn’t or wouldn’t play his style.

Remember JT’s return to the Island? The team was embarrassed.

 

[BallardEra]

Who’s out there though?
Someone mentioned Galant - thoughts on him?

Joel Quenneville too if Bettman allows him to return.

 

[KaN19]

That would probably be for the best, but I doubt it. Team will go on their typical 20 game heater at some point soon where they bank 15 wins. Cruise into the playoffs like usual and pray for a different result.

 

[Nineteen67]

Who’s out there though?
Someone mentioned Galant - thoughts on him?

He wouldn’t be a good fit with the current Leafs roster.

 

[Mess]

Who’s out there though?
Someone mentioned Galant - thoughts on him?

Guy Boucher Leafs Assistant coach currently running the PP and the only time the Leafs seem to score when all 4 of Matthews, Marner, Nylander and Tavares are on the ice together.

 

[kevsh]

My pre-season predictions seem to be trending that way: Bertuzzi/Domi will be a collective bust, Keefe gone by the end of November.

However, it is still very early and the Leafs will certainly be a lot better, esp. defensively where they are pretty awful right now. Domi will also improve, I just don't think by much. Bertuzzi I'm not sold on. The rookies also haven't shown much but far from worried about them yet.

What is likely not going to change: Lack of scoring depth (I expect trade deadline deals at least to help out), a shaky blueline (Brodie/McCabe have to get back playing at or close to their capabilities at minimum), Keefe's infuriating obsession with line shuffling (I imagine it drives the players nuts), not enough pure competitiveness in the core - Michael Jordan's they are not, nor will they ever be.

 

[Captain Crunch]

The effect is already seen.
WN gets run and NOBODY shows up. In a league where clean hits causes brawls, to a Leaf team that has no respect for each other, 4 games into the season. 4 games in you play the team that beat the poop out of you last playoffs and you fail to show up. Tkachuk chewing on his mouth guard as he face washes a team mate and you don't hate that.
Maybe it is impossible to add heart to this top 5 plus the coach. They are the only consistently thing for the past 7 years. JT added 5 yrs ago, Nothing changes. When Schenn walked away, and he did walk away, that was the final tell tail. He was cheaper than Klingberg with a better affect to win NOW.

I have come to accept these types of moves, because sadly, nothing will change as long as Shanahan is in charge.

 

[Strangle]

I can't believe this guy still has a job as it is.

He should have been let go after the Montreal embarassment. He should have been let go after blowing the series to Tampa. And he should have been let go after the Florida fiasco.

His whole strategy is to overplay the stars.

If that doesn't work just overplay them some more. It worked so well every time in the past. Just keep doing the same thing over and over again.

Great coaches can adapt.

They have the intelligence and instinct to adjust their strategy. If I owned a hockey team I would aspire for a great coach. Instead of the mediocre one currently in charge of the Toronto Maple Leafs.

Keeping Keefe around is how you end up with a "respect in the handshake lineup is reward enough" mentality.

A lot of things should have changed after the Montreal series

 

[Leaf Lander]

Keffe got his extension so he will draw a salary force more yrs

Best coach out there is:
Queenville is available

 

[Suntouchable13]

For me it all comes down to Shanahan and his undying belief in this core, the core that has been in the playoffs 7 straight years (for JT it’s been 5), and has only managed to win one playoff round. The same core that has rarely “started on time”, disappeared during parts of games, a team that has consistently been called soft and easy to play against. I really thought that after the trade deadline last season this would finally be the year they would make a deep playoff run, but look what happened.
Now this season with all the new players, as well as the ones still remaining from the trade deadline, that this year should be very promising. Yes, it’s still too early to tell because they still need time to gel. But will Keefe keep lines intact long enough for this to happen? And will Marner and Matthews ever be separated long enough if they want 3 balanced scoring lines? If not, is it because M&M only want to play with each other? And if that is the case, what kind of effect does that have on the other players?

I don't know what is going with Shanahan. He has lost the plot completely. He let the rookie Dubas run the team for a while, then he believes in a soft core. Crazy. You'd think with someone like Shanny running things, the team wouldn't be so soft. Nylander got hit into the boards last game, looked like he was hurt, and NOBODY did a thing. Everybody gets infected with the softness after a few games of being here. What is this?

 

[TakeTheBody]

TEd Nolan still alive?

 

[Menzinger]

Keefe likely isn't going to be fired anytime soon after the extension.

 

[HockeyVirus]

I gotta be honest, the crusade against Keefe never made sense. But neither did the one against Nylander and many others.

This fan base just has a lot of expletives.

 

[Blanche Blanche]

Guy Boucher Leafs Assistant coach currently running the PP and the only time the Leafs seem to score when all 4 of Matthews, Marner, Nylander and Tavares are on the ice together.

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Most of us believe he was hired to be Keefes replacement…

Once Keefe proves to be incompetent.

4 games in. It’s already looking like it

A lot of things should have changed after the Montreal series

1000000000x this.

Playoff team VS a year 1 rebuild with ageing Price.

 

[Stephen]

My medium to long term crystal ball prediction is Sheldon Keefe will one day be replaced by Jon Cooper. Coop is always making kissy faces with the Toronto media and speaks about the team like he's so familiar. I wouldn't be surprised if he gets that Babcock itch to replicate his success in Toronto, if things go south in Tampa... the cycle of big name coaches and whatnot.

 

[Ianturnedbull]

I'm predicting Keefe will be gone by the end of November.

I swear "coach killer" used to be label for a star player who disagrees with their coach and quits on them (trying to intentionally get them fired). Are you going to tell us who is quitting on Keefe, or do you just think that 4 games is enough of an evaluation to see Keefe out the door?

 

[mobilus]

I swear "coach killer" used to be label for a star player who disagrees with their coach and quits on them (trying to intentionally get them fired). Are you going to tell us who is quitting on Keefe, or do you just think that 4 games is enough of an evaluation to see Keefe out the door?

Did one star player quit on Babcock, or was it more than that?

Keefe has survived this long because he's at least delivered success in the regular season. This year's team is weakened enough to deprive him of that guarantee, and he's yet to demonstrate an ability to adapt to a roster. If the roster can't perform to his style, there's seemingly no Plan B. The coach killer is this case is Keefe.

 

[PromisedLand]

I can't believe this guy still has a job as it is.

He should have been let go after the Montreal embarassment. He should have been let go after blowing the series to Tampa. And he should have been let go after the Florida fiasco.

His whole strategy is to overplay the stars.

If that doesn't work just overplay them some more. It worked so well every time in the past. Just keep doing the same thing over and over again.

Great coaches can adapt.

They have the intelligence and instinct to adjust their strategy. If I owned a hockey team I would aspire for a great coach. Instead of the mediocre one currently in charge of the Toronto Maple Leafs.

Keeping Keefe around is how you end up with a "respect in the handshake lineup is reward enough" mentality.

Bingo!

Here is what absolutely pissed me off

- Against the Habs Leafs couldn't do F all 5 on 5 and he still didn't break up Matthews-Marner to get a different look
- Against CBJ Leafs couldn't do F all 5 on 5 and he still didn't break up Matthews-Marner to get a different look
- Agains the bolts (first time) Leafs couldn't do F all 5 on 5 much and he still didn't break up Matthews-Marner to get a different look
- Against the bolts (2nd time) he FINALLY changed it the F up to have Matthews-Marner play on different lines and Leafs got a series win out of it
- Against the Panthers (I thought he finally learned but of course...); Leafs couldn't do F all 5 on 5 and he still didn't break up Matthews-Marner to get a different look

What kind of a shit coach repeats teh same strategies and mistakes that didnt work at all. It is effing astounding!!!

Now whether it is Keefe doing this on purpose or Matthews-Marner crying like babies I dont know

 

[PromisedLand]

I don't know what is going with Shanahan. He has lost the plot completely. He let the rookie Dubas run the team for a while, then he believes in a soft core. Crazy. You'd think with someone like Shanny running things, the team wouldn't be so soft. Nylander got hit into the boards last game, looked like he was hurt, and NOBODY did a thing. Everybody gets infected with the softness after a few games of being here. What is this?

Not the first time this has happened either btw....