Sun God Nika
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There is only one sample in the NHL for him right now tho.
He picked up the Quebec Remparts in 2018
Y1 - Lost in Rd 1
Y2 - Cancelled (Covid)
Y3 - Lost in Round 3
Y4 - QMJHL Champions , and fighting for memorial cup.
Management Coach DJ Smith - Part 2
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There is only one sample in the NHL for him right now tho.
He picked up the Quebec Remparts in 2018
Y1 - Lost in Rd 1
Y2 - Cancelled (Covid)
Y3 - Lost in Round 3
Y4 - QMJHL Champions , and fighting for memorial cup.
Alf Silfversson
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Junior is a different animal though. There is so much turnover that players don't get the chance to tire of a coach's antics. That isn't even getting into the difference between motivating asshole millionaires vs. motivating teenagers fighting for their hockey dreams.
Sun God Nika
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Good points, just saying you can't look at one NHL stint to write the book on him. Bednar missed the playoffs the following year with the roster Roy coached.
Joeyjoejoe
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Whenever there’s rumours about a coach people always bring up the fact that “players tire of him”. Not sure why that matter because nowadays coaches get fired after a couple of seasons and nobody bats an eye, it’s just standard stuff. The coaches that can stay with a team for 5+ years and continue to be effective are unicorns and extremely hard to land. If we can get 2 great seasons out of Roy before they tune him out that’s a massive W.
Golden_Jet
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Probably about as reliable as other posts he made, so probably staying.
Just seems to regurgitate what someone has already posted on twitter or elsewhere.
Do Make Say Think
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DJ isn't a great coach but he seems competent enough and very likeable.
I am not a fan of how he's being treated in social media but it does come with the territory.
I am not a fan of how he's being treated in social media but it does come with the territory.
BonHoonLayneCornell
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Just take the Jokic approach. "Social Media? No I don't, it waste of time."
Tragedy
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Yeah but one time he hinted something big was going to happen on Draft day. No one without inside knowledge could guess a team would make a deal on draft day!
KnuckChuckinTkachuk
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New ownership should survey the core players + existing management and go from there. If they fire DJ, hire someone else and they don't vibe/mesh well with our star players, we'll be taking a step backwards next year and not forwards.
Plus if the results aren't up to par, fire him at game 20 and go from there, we've seen a lot of teams play better after a coach fired mid season.
Plus if the results aren't up to par, fire him at game 20 and go from there, we've seen a lot of teams play better after a coach fired mid season.
Sens of Anarchy
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Just heard the Dorion interview about DJ that aired yesterday.
The man (Dorion) is such an insecure classless coward. No wonder Melnyk liked him.
The man (Dorion) is such an insecure classless coward. No wonder Melnyk liked him.
This is such a strange take to me.
Goes to show how differently people can work the same series of words.
PD is doing everything he can to protect his job.
If he gave DJ a strong vote of confidence a new ownership group may question that and place Dorion in their sights as well.
Walking the line and indicating that anything may be possible may be the best approach to save your position.
If he gave DJ a strong vote of confidence a new ownership group may question that and place Dorion in their sights as well.
Walking the line and indicating that anything may be possible may be the best approach to save your position.
I would imagine that he’s not making a firm decision/public statement because he doesn’t know if he’ll be the guy to make that decision yet.
SensHulk
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What’s so strange? We’re not picking this out of thin air, Dorion has always spoken glowingly about DJ and the fact DJ is still under contract me as he could have said anything else but a cryptic ‘I will give my recommendation to the new ownership’.
Dorion often just makes his own rules like ‘I won’t negotiate through the media’ to doing just that with Debrincat.
I’m actually happy if DJ gets removed but the irony and inconsistency of Dorion really speaks volumes from his radio hits. I don’t get a sense of someone with any kind of backbone, and if he lays down for any owner willing to dispose of Mark Stone, I don’t really have faith he’s going to do what’s best for the team, just what’s best to keep his job. That may be his prerogative, but as a fan I don’t have to like it or approve of it
Adele Dazeem
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It’s strange to me because I don’t take a negative slant on everything said.
DBC is the biggest question out there for the team and all PD has said is that they are considering all options if a long term deal can’t be reached, and spelled out each option. This should be lauded by a fanbase that is always talking about wanting more insight. That’s also not really negotiating in public in my opinion. He’s been pretty clear consistently that the team wants to sign him to a long term deal.
As for DJ, again, PD isn’t in a position to confirm or deny who is coaching the team next year because he doesn’t even know if he will be the GM. It would strange to say one way or another when everyone knows that you aren’t in a position to make that decision at this point.
Making a recommendation to new ownership is all he can do at this point, and there is no way he’s going to talk about what he’s going to say to the new ownership in the media beforehand.
I listened to the interviews and never got the feeling that he was throwing DJ under the bus, being sketchy to save his job, or negotiating in the media in terms of DBC.
Different strokes for different folks.
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AchtzehnBaby
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Bullshit!!!! CGI!
Oh wait, same dudes in here were hating on Boro at the end here too so it won’t count.
BonHoonLayneCornell
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Is it even in question that he's liked though? I don't really weigh in on the subject much, but I've never really seen that argued in regard to DJ from those that want to go in another direction. He is clearly close with the players as Boro mentioned a personal connection there. If anything, that closeness and potential consequences of that is more the negative association most try to apply in their arguments.
He will almost certainly get his chance at this point either way. And they will win and make the playoffs, or he will be gone. Seems simple at this point for both DJ and Dorion. Win and you're in or lose and go home, as they say. That's my bet anyways.
He will almost certainly get his chance at this point either way. And they will win and make the playoffs, or he will be gone. Seems simple at this point for both DJ and Dorion. Win and you're in or lose and go home, as they say. That's my bet anyways.
I think some people think that when Boro or whomever says he likes him, that he means he just likes the guy.
The reality is that he likes him as a coach and says he wishes he could have played longer under him.
He also said that DJ commands the room without question, etc….
There is no mincing words here, Boror likes the guy as a person and a coach.
Not saying you in particular, but this is the kind of first hand info that haters just disregard in favour of their own personal opinions.
BonHoonLayneCornell
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Ya, I see the nuance there and I don't disagree with a lot of that. I got the same impression from his comments. I do think that these things don't disclude the other from potentially being true and that theoretically their arguments could still hold water, but of course its not possible to know from our vantage point.
I think the results have been unspectacular enough that I can't blame anyone rationally wanting a different coach. Nor have they been catastrophic enough, given the circumstances of bad rosters, to say he can't be kept.
I guess my point was when Brady and Timmy came out and talked about DJ, folks in here were quick to throw it away as ‘well what were they going to say’ type thing.
When his fellow team Canada head coach heaped praise this spring it was also thrown away as ‘of course he says that’.
Now we have Boro, unprovoked sharing a candid opinion of the man, and his presence in the room, along with his desire to have been coached longer by him.
Seems fair to surmise that from what we hear from those who work with him and play under him, that he’s a good man and a good coach.
What I think is on display is that HF armchair coaches don’t know shit about coaching in the NHL, dont know shit about what goes on behind the scenes, and don’t have the ability to link what they see in a game on TV to what the coaching staff is doing. All they can really do is look at wins and losses and reach for the pitchforks (the fans lot for certain).
I mean it’s typical fan behaviour for sure, folks just try and play it off as knowledge based these days instead of ignorance and emotional based that its always been, and still is.
It’s like, be a fan, know your just a fan, and embrace it. When did everyone start thinking they were experts? It comes across as so ridiculous to me.
BonHoonLayneCornell
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Sure, of course there is some hyperbole and absurd claims to varying degrees, but you can't expect people not to put forth their personal opinons on a message board about their sports team, biased and rational or not. And I think that's a little ranty in itself. Brady and Co. may love him and he may be a good coach at the NHL level, but that doesn't mean he'll necessarily have success here, or that someone else couldn't potentially have more. I see what you're saying, but I think it gets muddied in as if wanting a different coach isn't a respectable position from an unbiased view of the team.
