Coach Discussion: Dan Bylsma

[Call me betty*]

Did he blow many 3 goal leads while having the most wins of any coach from 2008-2014?

I feel bad for Sabres fans. and i hope for their and the players sake, they change coaches. That most wins of any coach between 08-14 is the biggest farce in hockey. The guy had the pens playing dump and chase hockey for most part. But they won despite of that because they had one of the best rosters in post cap era, with Crosby, Malkin, Neal, Letang etc.. Even when the pens were winning in the regular, almost any pens fan will tell you they were likely to crash in the post season. Because it was not effective hockey, they'd get dominated by the great teams territoriality for most part. The defensive scheme was in shambles, he never had them pressure the puck carrier in the d-zone, the forecheck in the o-zone was non existent.. i could go on & on. But i don't want to bring up bad memories..like i said, i hope you guys get a solid coach to replace Bylzzzzma aka Abysmal, as we liked to call him in Pens forum.

 

[Sabre Dance]

I feel bad for Sabres fans. and i hope for their and the players sake, they change coaches. That most wins of any coach between 08-14 is the biggest farce in hockey. The guy had the pens playing dump and chase hockey for most part. But they won despite of that because they had one of the best rosters in post cap era, with Crosby, Malkin, Neal, Letang etc.. Even when the pens were winning in the regular, almost any pens fan will tell you they were likely to crash in the post season. Because it was not effective hockey, they'd get dominated by the great teams territoriality for most part. The defensive scheme was in shambles, he never had them pressure the puck carrier in the d-zone, the forecheck in the o-zone was non existent.. i could go on & on. But i don't want to bring up bad memories..like i said, i hope you guys get a solid coach to replace Bylzzzzma aka Abysmal, as we liked to call him in Pens forum.

But he had a good record when the stars were out of the lineup as well. Maybe just lucky. We went through our own "incompetent" winning coach here, or at least some said he was incompetent. So many fans blamed Lindy Ruff.

 

[Call me betty*]

But he had a good record when the stars were out of the lineup as well. Maybe just lucky.

ya i'll give him credit for that, but i'll give more credit to the players that season. we won lot of 2-1, 3-2 games. Fleury played like a mad man and guys like Letang,Staal, Kennedy stepped in a huge way. But in a classic abysmal fashion, we ended up blowing a 3-1 series lead haha and they went like 1 for 30 in the PP, his failure to adjust when TB kept stopping the stretch pass was the biggest thing that led to that choke.

 

[Paxon]

Ugly: disco Dan has discovered a tactic to make 3 on 3 OT boring, and I'll be damned if it's not in widespread use by the end of the season.

The 3 on 3 turning conservative already happened for a lot of teams early last season, which was predicted by many people.

 

[Sabre Dance]

ya i'll give him credit for that, but i'll give more credit to the players that season. we won lot of 2-1, 3-2 games. Fleury played like a mad man and guys like Letang,Staal, Kennedy stepped in a huge way. But in a classic abysmal fashion, we ended up blowing a 3-1 series lead haha and they went like 1 for 30 in the PP, his failure to adjust when TB kept stopping the stretch pass was the biggest thing that led to that choke.

Bylsma and Ruff are the 2 reasons I don't believe coach and systems matter as much as people say. How can 2 coaches be so bad at their job but win as much as they do? The NHL is all about the GM and the roster they put on the ice.

Winning cups may come down to coaching and systems, but right now I'm focused on the Sabres becoming a team that wins more than they lose. Thats on the GM. When the roster is good enough I'll focus on coach.

 

[Der Jaeger]

Bylsma and Ruff are the 2 reasons I don't believe coach and systems matter as much as people say. How can 2 coaches be so bad at their job but win as much as they do? The NHL is all about the GM and the roster they put on the ice.

Winning cups may come down to coaching and systems, but right now I'm focused on the Sabres becoming a team that wins more than they lose. Thats on the GM. When the roster is good enough I'll focus on coach.

Which ignores system and coach influence on player development. Basically Edmonton pre McClellen.

 

[Sabre Dance]

Which ignores system and coach influence on player development. Basically Edmonton pre McClellen.

defense, goalie, and inexperience IMO was Edmonton's biggest problem.

 

[Jame]

Bylsma and Ruff are the 2 reasons I don't believe coach and systems matter as much as people say. How can 2 coaches be so bad at their job but win as much as they do? The NHL is all about the GM and the roster they put on the ice.

Winning cups may come down to coaching and systems, but right now I'm focused on the Sabres becoming a team that wins more than they lose. Thats on the GM. When the roster is good enough I'll focus on coach.

So you'll continue to see the roster as not good enough until Bylsma is fired.

 

[Sabre Dance]

So you'll continue to see the roster as not good enough until Bylsma is fired.

You are the biggest voice saying the defense stinks. I think Gorges regressed from last year. McCabe hasn't taken the steps forward I hoped. Bogo still the same Bogo. Risto missed camp.

So are you now telling me this roster is good enough? That would be news to a lot of people I bet.

 

[jBuds]

Bylsma and Ruff are the 2 reasons I don't believe coach and systems matter as much as people say. How can 2 coaches be so bad at their job but win as much as they do? The NHL is all about the GM and the roster they put on the ice.

Winning cups may come down to coaching and systems, but right now I'm focused on the Sabres becoming a team that wins more than they lose. Thats on the GM. When the roster is good enough I'll focus on coach.

The two names you list are in such vastly different stratospheres that it's offensive to link them.


Spare me "Cup," too.

 

[jBuds]

I think what bothers me most is that Bylsma popped off so much about changing himself as a coach, learning from afar in a year out of the league... but the same nonsense that got him booted from PIT is what he's hammering here.

Things will get better. We'll win three in a row shortly and the sentiment will temper down a bit. But the concern is valid. I don't think he's the guy I want to lead this team.

 

[Paxon]

You are the biggest voice saying the defense stinks. I think Gorges regressed from last year. McCabe hasn't taken the steps forward I hoped. Bogo still the same Bogo. Risto missed camp.

So are you now telling me this roster is good enough? That would be news to a lot of people I bet.

I don't see much regression in Gorges. He's being played where he shouldn't be played. He was ideally a third-pairing guy last year which is what he is now.

 

[Jame]

You are the biggest voice saying the defense stinks. I think Gorges regressed from last year. McCabe hasn't taken the steps forward I hoped. Bogo still the same Bogo. Risto missed camp.

So are you now telling me this roster is good enough? That would be news to a lot of people I bet.

The roster is irrelevant to an ineffective system, stubborn player usage, awful in game tactics... and zero credibility in the player development areas.

Yes, I was one of the very loud voices that was anti-Bylsma from Day 1. In fact, before his name was ever even on our radar my coaching preferences were, quote:
1. Babcock
2. Anyone but Bylsma

He's a bad hockey coach.

You've made it clear that you don't have the ability to really judge a coach/scheme, and that you prefer to make it about the players/GM. That's your choice. I think it's a silly one.

 

[Jim Bob]

Coaches are hired to be fired.

I wonder how long we wait before Bylsma is let go. I'm guessing that the way things ended last season and the Eichel injury buys him some time. And by some time, I guessing that he's not let go in-season in 2016-17 barring some unforeseen off ice thing happening.

 

[1972]

The roster is irrelevant to an ineffective system, stubborn player usage, awful in game tactics... and zero credibility in the player development areas.

Yes, I was one of the very loud voices that was anti-Bylsma from Day 1. In fact, before his name was ever even on our radar my coaching preferences were, quote:
1. Babcock
2. Anyone but Bylsma

He's a bad hockey coach.

You've made it clear that you don't have the ability to really judge a coach/scheme, and that you prefer to make it about the players/GM. That's your choice. I think it's a silly one.

So then Murray should be on the hot seat for that hire?

 

[Jame]

So then Murray should be on the hot seat for that hire?

I've said Murray owns this mistake and must course correct.

If he gives Bylsma a leash in to next season (because of the Eichel injury), I'll be calling for his head.

This team goes nowhere relevant with Bylsma. High end talent will naturally lead to a playoff caliber roster in due time.... but it will get dismantled in the post season like all the post cup Pens teams did.

 

[joshjull]

Bylsma and Ruff are the 2 reasons I don't believe coach and systems matter as much as people say. How can 2 coaches be so bad at their job but win as much as they do? The NHL is all about the GM and the roster they put on the ice.

Winning cups may come down to coaching and systems, but right now I'm focused on the Sabres becoming a team that wins more than they lose. Thats on the GM. When the roster is good enough I'll focus on coach.

Ruff has had success with the three different groups of players in two organizations playing two different playing styles. Basically Ruff found what worked best for each of those three different groups of players. Then implemented a system or approach to take advantage of what he felt would work best.

To argue coaching and systems don't matter is ignoring the reality of what Ruff did.

There are plenty of coaches that have had success in different places with different groups of players. Disco had success in Pittsburgh without question. But we have no other NHL coaching stint for him to use as a measure of his impact. So it's a lot tougher to gauge how much of the Pens success was him and how much was the players. That's not a criticism.

 

[stokes84]

They aren't firing Bylsma while the franchise cornerstone is injured. It's that simple.

 

[jBuds]

They aren't firing Bylsma while the franchise cornerstone is injured. It's that simple.

They're not firing Bylsma during the season, period, stop IMO.

 

[Aladyyn]

At this point, Eichel is the difference between 28th and 25th in the league. We're going to keep playing abysmal hockey no matter who's on the ice.

 

[Sabre Dance]

The roster is irrelevant to an ineffective system, stubborn player usage, awful in game tactics... and zero credibility in the player development areas.

Yes, I was one of the very loud voices that was anti-Bylsma from Day 1. In fact, before his name was ever even on our radar my coaching preferences were, quote:
1. Babcock
2. Anyone but Bylsma

He's a bad hockey coach.

You've made it clear that you don't have the ability to really judge a coach/scheme, and that you prefer to make it about the players/GM. That's your choice. I think it's a silly one.

Help me out here. What proof do you have that the system is the problem? Obviously a dump and chase system has worked for other teams, so why wouldn't it work here? Is our roster built for a different system? Why would Murray bring in a system that doesn't fit his roster?

I am more of a football guy when it comes to systems and strategies. I can watch a football game and tell you what systems and strategies are being used live during a play. I can tell you what system a player excels in.

I can't do that with hockey, but I don't see anyone else doing that either. Why is the system Bylsma uses wrong? Why do you think this roster would perform better in a different system? Are hockey systems even talent dependent? Does skill matter? I know dump and chase takes less skill. So explain to me why a different system would benefit this roster?

 

[TheStorm]

Help me out here. What proof do you have that the system is the problem? Obviously a dump and chase system has worked for other teams, so why wouldn't it work here? Is our roster built for a different system? Why would Murray bring in a system that doesn't fit his roster?

The proof is there by just watching one game. The players are not doing well in the system but Bylsma refuses to change anything.

 

[Aladyyn]

Dump and chase is an outdated and ineffective system. Period.

 

[stokes84]

At this point, Eichel is the difference between 28th and 25th in the league. We're going to keep playing abysmal hockey no matter who's on the ice.

We've lost two games in shootouts and another by one goal. Jack Eichel makes a gigantic difference.

 

[Sabre Dance]

Dump and chase is an outdated and ineffective system. Period.

But we destroy Ennis when he skates around with the puck.