Clowe suspended for coming off bench? (Suspended 2 Games)

[slocal]

I'm pretty sure Clowe is well aware of the 10 game for leaving the bench. That's the point of the rule. Clowe is not the only hothead in the league, yet you almost never see a 10-game leaving the bench anymore. Watching the video (again, my fervent suggestion and hope for anyone discussing this incident) you can see that Clowe did not immediately jump on when Pavs got creamed but got ready, then jumped on when Pavs skated for the door.

You've actually got a point there. Some will say that it's just a coincidence, but there is a hesitation by Clowe after the boarding.

 

[Gene Parmesan]

You've actually got a point there. Some will say that it's just a coincidence, but there is a hesitation by Clowe after the boarding.

Yup. He didn't charge the ice.

 

[Quid Pro Clowe]

If they deemed it a legal change Clowe shouldn't have been suspended at all. Clowe didn't even punch Shaw.

 

[Pinkfloyd]

If they deemed it a legal change Clowe shouldn't have been suspended at all. Clowe didn't even punch Shaw.

Not really. He started a fight in the dying stages of a game that was over. That's still an offense that deserves supplemental discipline.

 

[Juxtaposer]

If they deemed it a legal change Clowe shouldn't have been suspended at all. Clowe didn't even punch Shaw.

Shaw had one foot on the bench, and Clowe pulled him back onto the ice.

Yes, I watched the video.

 

[Quid Pro Clowe]

Not really. He started a fight in the dying stages of a game that was over. That's still an offense that deserves supplemental discipline.

It wasn't a fight and Clowe was only called for roughing.

Shaw had one foot on the bench, and Clowe pulled him back onto the ice.

Yes, I watched the video.

What's that all about?

 

[Alwalys]

If they deemed it a legal change Clowe shouldn't have been suspended at all. Clowe didn't even punch Shaw.

It's pretty clear he went over to Shaw to rough him up. That's suspendable.
EDIT: It's not just for starting a fight but also for the purpose of starting a fight. An actual fight doesn't have to happen.

 

[Pinkfloyd]

It wasn't a fight and Clowe was only called for roughing.

What's that all about?

It was still instigating in the dying stages of a game.

 

[Quid Pro Clowe]

It's pretty clear he went over to Shaw to rough him up. That's suspendable.

It was also clear that Shaw instigated the whole thing by boarding Pavelski on a hit he didn't have to make. That's suspendable, too.

 

[Quid Pro Clowe]

It was still instigating in the dying stages of a game.

It was roughing in the dire stages of the game.

If he was suspended for intent, Shaw should have been suspended for intent.

 

[Alwalys]

It was also clear that Shaw instigated the whole thing by boarding Pavelski on a hit he didn't have to make. That's suspendable, too.

Yes it is. Doesn't change the fact that what clowe did is also suspendable.

It was roughing in the dire stages of the game.

If he was suspended for intent, Shaw should have been suspended for intent.

No he should have been suspended, or fined, or somehow recognized for actually making the dangerous hit from behind. But he wasn't because the Blackhawks are the league's darlings right now. What Clowe did after is still suspendable.

 

[Juxtaposer]

It was also clear that Shaw instigated the whole thing by boarding Pavelski on a hit he didn't have to make. That's suspendable, too.

Let's get real. He's a Blackhawk.

 

[Quid Pro Clowe]

Yes it is. Doesn't change the fact that what clowe did is also suspendable.



No he should have been suspended, or fined, or somehow recognized for actually making the dangerous hit from behind. But he wasn't because the Blackhawks are the league's darlings right now. What Clowe did after is still suspendable.

Fair enough.

Let's get real. He's a Blackhawk.

Ain't that the truth.

 

[Pinkfloyd]

It was roughing in the dire stages of the game.

If he was suspended for intent, Shaw should have been suspended for intent.

It was roughing because the refs called it that. That's just a technicality. What it really was, was Clowe responding to it and trying to start a fight. It happened to be in the latter stages of a game. The hit, for how dirty it was, was still arguably in the flow of play. There are differences in why Clowe was disciplined and Shaw wasn't.

 

[Alwalys]

The hit, for how dirty it was, was still arguably in the flow of play. There are differences in why Clowe was disciplined and Shaw wasn't.

Flow of play does not excuse dirty hits, some of the dirtiest hits have been made on puck carriers. The difference is simply that Clowe's action treaded closer to an automatic-suspension offense. Shaw's was not automatic and is often highly influenced by the result, i.e. if Pavs was injured then it would have been a lot more likely Shaw would have had a hearing of his own.

 

[Pinkfloyd]

Flow of play does not excuse dirty hits, some of the dirtiest hits have been made on puck carriers. The difference is simply that Clowe's action treaded closer to an automatic-suspension offense. Shaw's was not automatic and is often highly influenced by the result, i.e. if Pavs was injured then it would have been a lot more likely Shaw would have had a hearing of his own.

It doesn't excuse but there has always been a clear difference from the league's perspective from flow-of-play stuff and after-whistle stuff when it comes to supplemental discipline.

 

[Alwalys]

It doesn't excuse but there has always been a clear difference from the league's perspective from flow-of-play stuff and after-whistle stuff when it comes to supplemental discipline.

This wasn't after-whistle, the whistle blew when Clowe went after Shaw.

EDIT: It looks like they did legitimately call Shaw for the boarding, but the whistle didn't blow until Clowe was already on. Note that the whole legal-line change thing indicates that play was live when Clowe went after Shaw.

 

[Pinkfloyd]

This wasn't after-whistle, the whistle blew when Clowe went after Shaw.

EDIT: It looks like they did legitimately call Shaw for the boarding, but the whistle didn't blow until Clowe was already on. Note that the whole legal-line change thing indicates that play was live when Clowe went after Shaw.

Clowe's part in it was after the whistle. The refs whistled it immediately after the board to call it.

 

[Alwalys]

Clowe's part in it was after the whistle. The refs whistled it immediately after the board to call it.

Not immediately, the arm went up but the whistle didn't blow until Hossa was about to shoot on the EN (i.e. Chicago regained control, it was kind of loose before that). Again, the reason it's a legal line change is because it was between the whistles, but I also wouldn't doubt if seeing clowe jump on and bee-line to Shaw got that ref blowing the whistle as quick as he could.

Being that it was the league's determination that he made a legal change, they are considering it between the whistles explicitly.

 

[OldAsianSharksFan]

I honestly don't mind Clowe doing what he did. We can't let POS like Shaw get away with dirty hits on Pavelski. He does, however, needs to be away from hockey for a game or two to straighten out his issues.

IMO, Clowe's issues is between the ears. He needs to remember what got him in the NHL in the first place, and win some puck battles along the boards and park his butt in front of the net.

Hopefully, this 2 game hiatus will do him good.

 

[OrrNumber4]

I honestly don't mind Clowe doing what he did. We can't let POS like Shaw get away with dirty hits on Pavelski. He does, however, needs to be away from hockey for a game or two to straighten out his issues.

IMO, Clowe's issues is between the ears. He needs to remember what got him in the NHL in the first place, and win some puck battles along the boards and park his butt in front of the net.

Hopefully, this 2 game hiatus will do him good.

I don't know. He didn't have a great year last year either...he might have had a decent stat line, but it screamed compiler...

He's a physical, poor-skating winger who is now thirty. There are players who beat the odds....but I do not think Clowe is one of them.

 

[HOOCH2173]

Has this already been said in this thread:

"Now watch the team win now with Clowe not in the line-up!"

 

[Pinkfloyd]

Not immediately, the arm went up but the whistle didn't blow until Hossa was about to shoot on the EN (i.e. Chicago regained control, it was kind of loose before that). Again, the reason it's a legal line change is because it was between the whistles, but I also wouldn't doubt if seeing clowe jump on and bee-line to Shaw got that ref blowing the whistle as quick as he could.

Being that it was the league's determination that he made a legal change, they are considering it between the whistles explicitly.

This is not true. The whistle was blown immediately thereafter. It was not heard by all the players but Chicago had control of the puck and the play was blown dead as soon as Hossa gloved the puck down. They can deem it a legal line change even after the whistle since they do have those too.

 

[Alwalys]

This is not true. The whistle was blown immediately thereafter. It was not heard by all the players but Chicago had control of the puck and the play was blown dead as soon as Hossa gloved the puck down. They can deem it a legal line change even after the whistle since they do have those too.

No, sorry. You may be right that the whistle blew and no one heard it, but the judgment the league issued describes an in-play change by Clowe, so to the league this was something that happened during play. Not that I think it really matters in this case.

 

[SnarkAttack]

There really is no reason not to take a penalty late in the game. if I was on defense up a goal with ~10 seconds left, I would hold, hook, interfere, board etc to prevent a goal from being scored. Until the league changes the rule on last minute penalties (if they ever do), plays like this will continue to happen.

Which is why I proposed rule changes. Taking a penalty shouldn't be an advantageous play for a defender, especially late in the game where hauling everyone down wins you the game.

I like how Clowe comes off the bench with intent to fight and gets suspended, but Pavelski can be much more dangerously checked into the boards for 8 seconds of penalty time. A penalty like that at the end of a game should come with an actual deterrent for doing so in the future. Obviously that's not in the rules now, but changes hould be made.