Trade: [CLE/HOU] Deshaun Watson (signs 5 years, $230M) and 2024 5th for 2022, 2023, and 2024 1sts, 2023 3rd, 2024 4th

EpochLink

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It’s a wrap for Watson, no team will touch him with a ten foot pole go and when Cleveland cuts him.

A once promising career derailed by off the field scandals, lawsuits and injuries.
 

StreetHawk

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It’s a wrap for Watson, no team will touch him with a ten foot pole go and when Cleveland cuts him.

A once promising career derailed by off the field scandals, lawsuits and injuries.
But, honestly, when Bill O'Brien tells brady that they couldn't run a more NFL offence since Watson wasn't able to pick it up is a new revelation to most people who saw him in Houston. But, NFL DC's will figure a guy out which is one of the reasons Houston stopped winning as much the further into Watson's career they got. He couldn't improve the non physical parts of playing QB in the NFL.
 

Troy McClure

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See if the Browns insured the contract. They get cap relief for 2025 if they did. Since they owed him $130 mill at the start of the season, it would have been wise to insure it.

Browns need every cap dollar they can get. A lot of bills are coming due.
I don't think there's much point thinking about cap relief. He's going to be back for the 2025 season.
 

StreetHawk

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I don't think there's much point thinking about cap relief. He's going to be back for the 2025 season.
Insurance came up with the A-Rod injury. There was an article that the Jets didn't insure him, which if they did since he missed 2023, they could have gotten some relief in 2024 cap as they would have been able to apply a credit from the insurance for 2023 to their 2024 cap.

It is just simply ugly for the Browns moving forward.
 

joestevens29

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Insurance came up with the A-Rod injury. There was an article that the Jets didn't insure him, which if they did since he missed 2023, they could have gotten some relief in 2024 cap as they would have been able to apply a credit from the insurance for 2023 to their 2024 cap.

It is just simply ugly for the Browns moving forward.
They are probably better off without the cap credit so that they can blame that for their lack of success next year.
 

Troy McClure

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Oh come on, give them this at least, what else do they have to hope for?
It's a great year for Browns fans to know the Steelers have to be bad. Fields sucks, and Wilson is washed up. Certainly, this means the Steelers will be a mess. Now, let me go check the standings, and...

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Troy McClure

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The Browns did some cap magic today.

The bad news is Watson will remain on the roster for two more seasons. The other bad news is they're having to push his cap hit multiple seasons into the future. He's going to remain an anchor on the Browns cap with an $89 million dead cap hit lingering once they cut him after the 2026 season.

They'll have more cap space to work with the next couple of seasons.

 

StreetHawk

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Watson has that high a dead cap because the Browns opted to only take smaller cap charges over these 3 seasons. Paid him $130 odd mill to date but only took like $60 mill in cap charges.
 

Troy McClure

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Watson has that high a dead cap because the Browns opted to only take smaller cap charges over these 3 seasons. Paid him $130 odd mill to date but only took like $60 mill in cap charges.
And it was smartly done, too. If Watson was even a league average QB, we'd be looking at three straight seasons of meaningful playoff runs.
 

StreetHawk

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And it was smartly done, too. If Watson was even a league average QB, we'd be looking at three straight seasons of meaningful playoff runs.
This was their window to do well and they blew it. Watson being the main culprit. Never returned to form and it seems he has been exposed with some of Bill O'Brien's comments about limiting the playbook for Watson.
 

hatterson

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And it was smartly done, too. If Watson was even a league average QB, we'd be looking at three straight seasons of meaningful playoff runs.
Yea the NFL cap allows you insane ways to mortgage the future to win now. The other side of that coin is that it offers you insane ways to screw over your future self if you do the "win now" thing poorly.
 

StreetHawk

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Yea the NFL cap allows you insane ways to mortgage the future to win now. The other side of that coin is that it offers you insane ways to screw over your future self if you do the "win now" thing poorly.
Many teams push cap hits into the future. It’s accepted. But you do need to perform in those years. Dallas was scheduled to push $50 mill of Dak’s cap hits into 2025 but didn’t go beyond the final 4 of nfc over the past couple of years.
Rams and TB ate $70 mill of dead cap last season from their all ins and still made the PO.
 

Big Poppa Puck

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Vikings took all their dead cap on the chin this year in what was supposed to be a transition year and somehow won 14, possibly 15, games.

They have like 70 million in dead money. Most of it is from void years that Cousins and Danielle Hunter had on their contracts. They also have some money from Dalvin Cook still on the books.

As of now they only have around 6m in dead money for 2025 and half of that is from having to 1st round bust Lewis Cine this camp.
 

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