Management Claude Julien - Mod Warning post 643
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Leadership is apparently a problem, as much as I admire 33, 37,47, even 63. Big Chris Kelly fan so I hope he comes back. I realize it's a cliche but the Bruins need similar players to Rex, Shawn, Andrew, & Milan.
So easy to say, but that's what's needed.
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Agreed. Lots of players have been called out for disappearing for long stretches; Smith, Dougie, Looch, Seguin, Spooner, etc.
How about Marchand? Krejci? Rask? and more. Z and Seids as well, but I'll chalk that up to being elderly and infirm.
2011 and 2013 there were definitely times when individuals stepped up, but those times have been few and far between.
The similarities between 2012, 2014, 2015 and 2016, are that the team didn't bring it when it mattered. Sure, point out the overall numbers for the year, and things don't look too bad. Go back and watch tapes of games down the stretch and/or in the playoffs, especially potential elimination games, and you see a team that seems to lack heart, urgency, intensity, drive...you get my gist.
How much of that is on coaching, and how much is on players, I don't know, so I blame them all.
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Quick question
Did Claude have any input in the new coaching staff? I understand management wanted to make changes, but I get the sense that they're forcing him to work with guys like Cassidy and Pandolfo.
Did Claude always pick his assistants (until this year) ?
Did Claude have any input in the new coaching staff? I understand management wanted to make changes, but I get the sense that they're forcing him to work with guys like Cassidy and Pandolfo.
Did Claude always pick his assistants (until this year) ?
DKH
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Don't believe so but have to echo the sentiments of Sabres & Devils personnel the Bruins (in particular) have one talented group of defense prospects
Have to think Claude will be like a kid in a candy store when he sees this group of kids on the blue line skate
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Some of their old stuff is amazing BCN I believe put them on the map long before the Love stinks crap
Peter Wolf has recently released his 8th solo album. I've yet to hear a song from any of them that I didn't like. I believe he is originally from the Bronx.
PlayMakers
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I think it's always been a group decision. He works with Sweeney (and Chiarelli before him) pretty well. There isn't much Julien does that the brass doesn't agree with, but from piecing together comments and articles they make a lot of these decisions together. Lineups, call-ups, system-tweaks, staff, all of it...
rocketdan9
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I guess we need to give credit to CJ and staff for what has been happening the last 6-7 games
Good job to able to figure things out (rocky start)
Still too early to say keeping CJ was the right move but so far so good
Team looks good also from a cap perspective as well (cr to Sweeney) and finally getting contribution from young players like Carlo, Czarnik. Good 4th line pick ups in Moore, Schaller.
Feeling hopeful
Good job to able to figure things out (rocky start)
Still too early to say keeping CJ was the right move but so far so good
Team looks good also from a cap perspective as well (cr to Sweeney) and finally getting contribution from young players like Carlo, Czarnik. Good 4th line pick ups in Moore, Schaller.
Feeling hopeful
CharasLazyWrister
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About time this is revived.
Tonight is certainly a test. There isn't another team in this league, in Claude's entire tenure as a Bruins coach, where his unwillingness to adapt his game plan shows more than the hated Habs IMO. Amid the historic positives, it is undoubtedly his biggest flaw as a coach...aside from I believe a single year, the Canadiens have completely burned the Bruins during the regular season while he has been coach.
Not sure if it's more a problem of motivation or a problem of system. But, I find this really to be the ultimate argument for putting blame for today's struggles on Claude. He has shown that, even with a talented roster, he struggles to crack certain formulas.
Tonight is certainly a test. There isn't another team in this league, in Claude's entire tenure as a Bruins coach, where his unwillingness to adapt his game plan shows more than the hated Habs IMO. Amid the historic positives, it is undoubtedly his biggest flaw as a coach...aside from I believe a single year, the Canadiens have completely burned the Bruins during the regular season while he has been coach.
Not sure if it's more a problem of motivation or a problem of system. But, I find this really to be the ultimate argument for putting blame for today's struggles on Claude. He has shown that, even with a talented roster, he struggles to crack certain formulas.
ReggieMoto
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So, if the Bruins lose tonight (which most expect to happen) it's all the coach's fault?
It won't be because of the current makeup of the roster, the players who appear to be playing injured, the players who have recently come back from injury, the inexperienced rooks in the lineup, none of that? Just...the coach?
Got it.
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I'm too lazy to look it up, but I think the Bruins had the better of them in the regular season for a decent stretch in between the 2008-09 season, up to just before the 2013 lockout. I think the lock-out year was about 50-50.
Since the start of 2013-14, I think the record is pretty weak against the Habs.
Claude continues to adapt his game plan, only problem is he has so little talent to work with results are limited. People can continue to point fingers but he has a winning percentage over 600, I will take that over firing him for someone else who has to come in and work with the same limited talented roster. When they provide him with some talent on the bottom six and he gets the sane results I will side with the firing crowd. With a talented roster he has proven he can win a cup, go to the SC finals and win a president cup, what replacement do you have in mind that will do that.
Julien is a good coach for an NHL caliber team circa 2012. The game has evolved and Julien and his coaching style have not.
Saxon Eric
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So, if the Bruins lose tonight (which most expect to happen) it's all the coach's fault?
It won't be because of the current makeup of the roster, the players who appear to be playing injured, the players who have recently come back from injury, the inexperienced rooks in the lineup, none of that? Just...the coach?
Got it.
What was the excuse last year? or the year before that? or the year before that?
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Can you or somebody please finally answer my 1 question that I've been asking most of the year?
If there is such a lack of talent on offense, how did the Bruins finish top 5 in scoring last year? Was it all Loui Eriksson, Brett Connolly, Landon Ferraro, Joonas Kemppainen, Max Talbot and Zac Rinaldo?
Because I believe our bottom 6 is actually better than last season.
The flyers 3rd line:
Taylor Leier-Nick Cousins-Dale Weise
Montreal scored 10 goals in a game with Artturi Lehkonen-Phillip Danault-Andrew Shaw on the 2nd line. And Torrey Mitchell, Paul Byron, Daniel Carr, Brian Flynn, and Sven Andrighetto also in the lineup.
CharasLazyWrister
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The whole "this lineup is a bunch of scrubs" is complete *********. I get we do not have the most talented roster in the league, but look around. As others have pointed out, Philadelphia is icing Weise-Cousins-Leire as their third line and it is the best offense in the league. Claude has Bergeron, Krejci, Pastrnak, Marchand, Backes, Rask, Chara, etc. Is it a top team in the league talent wise? No, it's not top 5 or anything. But, this notion that Claude can't be criticized and held accountable because he doesn't have a stacked roster...it's stupid. It's not logical. Just as the notion is (that has been brought up for the past five years every time someone talks about potentially letting Clode go) about "but there's no one available" when it comes to a coach. Saying "oh, he's done so well in the past, so I don't want to risk firing him is gutless. It is almost cowardly. I don't understand how there's all this pressure on Don Sweeney to come in and have the team loaded up and ready to go in just over a year, yet Claude is in year 3 and he's given break after break even when there are obvious criticisms to hand out.
If we're just going to defend him with things like his overall win percentage over ten years, then hey, let me go ahead and use that in defense of Krejci for the past couple seasons. Let me deflect any Chara criticisms with that too. It's just not realistic. Yes, past performance matters. What one has accomplished shows a lot about their talent and character. But turning a blind eye to current results (at least for some apparently) is foolish.
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