Management Claude Julien III - the final countdown?(ALL talk here)

[LouJersey]

You would honestly think that John Spano owned the Boston Bruins. As Wayne Gretzky would say "they are a Mickey Mouse organization". I would never have thought a business suit would make Cam Neely someone who runs and hides but that's exactly what's going on. not one exec can be reached for comment? Love or hate Claude his "I'm not going to quit on management" has to endear him to all. I really feel bad for him. It's like they are negotiating with someone or still undecided or whatever but leaving him to face the music by himself is bush league at best. Neely is acting like a boss that wants to make his employee so miserable he just quits so he can shrug his shoulders and say "not my fault, he quit" when asked about it.

 

[LouJersey]

This is honestly an embarrassment. Talk about being left hung out to dry by your superiors. Absolutely gutless by Sweeney all the way up to Jacobs.

What a circus.

I'm thinking Sweeney wants to go out there in support of Claude but he's unable to because Neely still may pull the trigger on the coach. Sweeney can't be happy with this at all.

 

[EverettMike]

I'm thinking Sweeney wants to go out there in support of Claude but he's unable to because Neely still may pull the trigger on the coach. Sweeney can't be happy with this at all.

If he can't convince Charlie and Cam to let him talk to the media because by remaining silent the whole organization looks terrible, well that doesn't instill confidence in me, you know?

 

[Spooner st]

Maybe... just maybe Sweeney hasn't say anything yet...because the Jacobs are handling The Neely situation.

 

[Fenway]

I'm thinking Sweeney wants to go out there in support of Claude but he's unable to because Neely still may pull the trigger on the coach. Sweeney can't be happy with this at all.

If Neely had that power it would have been done by now. They have never addressed who has the final say and now we know why.

 

[LouJersey]

If he can't convince Charlie and Cam to let him talk to the media because by remaining silent the whole organization looks terrible, well that doesn't instill confidence in me, you know?

The problem could be there is nothing positive for him to say. He can't say "nothing has been decided on the coach yet" IMO. He either needs to say "he's our guy" or "he's fired". Nothing in between IMO. If days go on and nothing is said then yes, I agree.

 

[LouJersey]

If Neely had that power it would have been done by now. They have never addressed who has the final say and now we know why.

Maybe Neely does have the power but the caveat is he has to coach the team... or Sweeney and Sweeney is balking? The only thing we truly know is there are too many voices.

 

[EverettMike]

The problem could be there is nothing positive for him to say. He can't say "nothing has been decided on the coach yet" IMO. He either needs to say "he's our guy" or "he's fired". Nothing in between IMO. If days go on and nothing is said then yes, I agree.

Cliches and non-answers would be better than silence, because it wouldn't look like they we a bunch of morons that can't recognize how bad they look right now.

But I think it's unconscionable they are letting him twist like this. Make a ****ing decision.

I think this organization is a mess, with competing goals and visions, and no one in charge.

 

[Spooner st]

Neely fired or remove from hockey op's is a win/win.

 

[Bad Hat Harry]

If you don't support your coach enough to stand next to him at a press conference, is he really the best person to be coaching your team?

I don't think Claude should be fired, but this just doesn't seem healthy for the business, team, or anyone involved.

 

[LouJersey]

Cliches and non-answers would be better than silence, because it wouldn't look like they we a bunch of morons that can't recognize how bad they look right now.

But I think it's unconscionable they are letting him twist like this. Make a ****ing decision.

I think this organization is a mess, with competing goals and visions, and no one in charge.

Hard to disagree with any of that. They almost seem as apathetic about the team as I do.

 

[ODAAT]

Wondering out loud, IF, and it`s a huge IF, say Neely is kicked to the curb, any suggestions for potential Pres candidates with the crowd here? I`ve mentioned I thought pulling Tallon away from the Panthers would be an idea, maybe Neil Smith?

 

[BruinDust]

It isn't hard to figure out what is happening. Sweeney is supporting Claude and it is safe to assume Cam want to fire him. That leaves Charlie who has to look at the short and long term of the business. He is on record that if Cam and Don want to make a change then it will happen but doesn't address what happens if they are split.

So Charlie asks Papa for help and he in turn is asking Harry for advice.

At this point I would not be shocked if Mike O'Connell pops up. He works for LA now but still lives here.

https://www.nhl.com/kings/team/staff-directory



dysfunction
noun dys·func·tion \(ˌ)dis-ˈfəŋ(k)-shən\

abnormal or unhealthy interpersonal behavior or interaction within a group

Don't even say that name Fenway. He makes my stomach crawl.

 

[missingchicklet]

If they do decide to let Claude go I sure would like to know who they think they can hire at this point who will be as good or better than Claude. Top coaches such as Babcock, Trotz, Boudreau, etc are not going to be available in the near future. And even if there is a quality coach available after the season is done I'm not sure why they would want to come in and deal with this circus of an organization and with a less than stellar roster. It puts the team in the position of hiring a coaching carousel type coach or rolling the dice on someone who has not coached at the NHL level. It makes no sense to let go of a coach who is a proven winner and is devoted to this crap show of an organization, especially given how things are tumultuous enough as it stands.

 

[Aeroforce]

The Penguins' mid season coaching change is often referred to in these discussions. But I don't see firing Mike Johnston, who had no NHL experience or success, and firing Claude Julien, as being all that similar. And whoever comes in is certainly not going to have the loaded roster Mike Sullivan inherited.

Someone compared the Bruins to the Vikings in one of these threads. Here's another - the Texans from a couple of years ago. Fans were reactionary in calling for the head of coach Gary Kubiak, when the real problem was at QB.

Well two years after being fired, Kubiak won the Superbowl; the Texans' QB situation still hasn't been properly addressed (though they tried), and the team is still stuck in the mud.

So firing Julien may or may not be the right thing to do. A change could be beneficial to both sides. But until the real problems are addressed, any coaching change will likely have minimal effect.

 

[xStanleyCupsFor]

The fact Julien has to come out and address this crap is an indictment on Neely and Sweeney.
Shame on them. SHAME.

You mean there was no press conference, no statement, nothing? Un*****ngbelievable! These guys need to go. Whatever you think of Julien, to leave him out there to do your job while you run and hide is unacceptable. This management is out to lunch. I don't care how the rumors started, the fact is the players themselves think he may be out the door at a moment's notice. That's a major distraction.

If he's here to stay, even if only for the remaining season, it NEEDS to be addressed. No need to dwell on it for days, just come out, show your face, say your piece, and be done with it. Neely is incompetent, but I'm really disappointed in Sweeney. Very unprofessional. I thought better of him. As a fan, I get more ticked off about things like this than bad trades, draft, signings.

 

[Bruinaura]

At least Chara and Bergeron have been vocal in their support of Julien. Their opinions must mean something to him. Those are two top tier guys who have been with him for a decade. It's not like it's Riley Nash saying "thanks for the ice time!"

 

[missingchicklet]

The Penguins' mid season coaching change is often referred to in these discussions. But I don't see firing Mike Johnston, who had no NHL experience or success, and firing Claude Julien, as being all that similar. And whoever comes in is certainly not going to have the loaded roster Mike Sullivan inherited.

Someone compared the Bruins to the Vikings in one of these threads. Here's another - the Texans from a couple of years ago. Fans were reactionary in calling for the head of coach Gary Kubiak, when the real problem was at QB.

Well two years after being fired, Kubiak won the Superbowl; the Texans' QB situation still hasn't been properly addressed (though they tried), and the team is still stuck in the mud.

So firing Julien may or may not be the right thing to do. A change could be beneficial to both sides. But until the real problems are addressed, any coaching change will likely have minimal effect.

Good points all around. I do believe that sometimes changing coaches, even when the coach is good, is needed. I understand where those people on this board claiming CJ needs to go are coming from. You make a solid point about the Sullivan case. He not only inherited a loaded roster, but he also inherited a goalie in the system who ended up playing Vezina level hockey at key moments. The front office had done its job and had enough tools in the system to give any coach what he needed to compete for the Cup. If anyone here thinks that Bs management has given Claude the necessary tools to win a Cup, or even make a deep run in the playoffs, then they are seriously deluded. Hell, they cannot even give him a backup goalie who can win. That is why I want to see the roster issues taken care of before the Bs start getting rid of who most people in the hockey world consider an elite coach. Those don't come around very often.

 

[patty59]

This is the same situation as when Sweeney got the job and no one knew if he was keeping CJ around or not. Took a couple weeks for him to say anything.

Seems like a whole lot of micromanaging happening here, I mean that's my guess since no one says anything

 

[Lobster57]

at this point i want them to load up the top 2 lines

63/37/88
72/46/42

the problem is the bottom 6 is a giant pile of useless. Can't score, can't hit, can't skate.
i can't come up with any coherent combination of 2 lines. Having Spooner on a line prevents it from being a grinding/checking unit. Nash/Hayes/Schaller can't score. it's just a cluster****

 

[patty59]

at this point i want them to load up the top 2 lines

63/37/88
72/46/42

the problem is the bottom 6 is a giant pile of useless. Can't score, can't hit, can't skate.
i can't come up with any coherent combination of 2 lines. Having Spooner on a line prevents it from being a grinding/checking unit. Nash/Hayes/Schaller can't score. it's just a cluster****

It's what needs to happen and play the **** out of them. Spooner can have some PP time and play Moore's line more ES than the "3rd" line.

 

[PB37]

The upper management silence other than telling a reporter to go tweet it out says to me that there's a power struggle going on and sides are being drawn. We've seen signs of it and now because of this issue, it's glaringly obvious.

As someone else said, dollars to donuts that DS is in Claude's corner while Cam feels he has just cause to finally realize a 6 year long dream.

 

[BruinDust]

at this point i want them to load up the top 2 lines

63/37/88
72/46/42

the problem is the bottom 6 is a giant pile of useless. Can't score, can't hit, can't skate.
i can't come up with any coherent combination of 2 lines. Having Spooner on a line prevents it from being a grinding/checking unit. Nash/Hayes/Schaller can't score. it's just a cluster****

Yes, because loading up the top 2 lines hasn't been tried for the majority of the last 40-something games.

 

[Lobster57]

It's what needs to happen and play the **** out of them. Spooner can have some PP time and play Moore's line more ES than the "3rd" line.

what do you do for lines 3/4 though?

39/28/27
59/51/20

mix Blidh in there somewhere? call up Cehlarik? i just can't put together even 1 line with an actual function

 

[b in vancouver]

Doesn't bother me that they haven't said anything. What would or could they say? 'He's fired, he's fine, he's got the support, we're evaluating' etc.
I'm pretty confident that Sweeney and Julien have spoken - and that's all that really matters.
As fans - we'll find out when we find out. This isn't one of those things that they 'owe' us to know.