Player Discussion Claude Giroux

[DueDiligence]

I don't care how good his linemates are, your 2.5 mil suggestion is absurd, it's simply not going to happen.

Giroux could and should sign a $3 million per year contract.
1) his performance is dropping
2) his age
3) he's made a great deal of money in his career already ( approx, $110 million)
4) hometown discount to stay in Ottawa
5) he knows the team needs to free up cash to sign another top end shooter.

 

[Micklebot]

Giroux could and should sign a $3 million per year contract.
1) his performance is dropping
2) his age
3) he's made a great deal of money in his career already ( approx, $110 million)
4) hometown discount to stay in Ottawa
5) he knows the team needs to free up cash to sign another top end shooter.

Could and should according to who?

He could sign for any amount, but should? This isn't a team that is likely to be wining the cup next year, so why is he taking a haircut?

If he signs at 3 mil, it would likely be a multi year deal acknowledging he will overperform it at the start and underperform it by the end, problem is that is the opposite of what we need. We're better off doing 1 year deals that align with his current expections, so instead of 3m for 2 years, you'd look for a 1 year at 4 followed by a 1 yr at 2, that way when we are closer to being a cup contender, we have more flexibility.

His past earnings aren't really relevant. McDavid has earned over 100 mil, that won't stop him from signing for what he's worth when his current deal expires next year.

Expecting a hometown discount is a recipe for pissing off players and losing them.

The team is responsible for managing it's cap, not Giroux.

 

[BonHoonLayneCornell]

If there's one thing I don't ever expect in pro sports anymore, it's a discount from a player because "he's made a great deal of money in his career already". I still expect a 37 year old to want market value or be prepared to move across the continent for it.

 

[GCK]

2.5 mill

We can't rely on him being a top 6 player anymore.

The average salary of a cap team next year will be 4M with a full roster. Is Giroux that far below average ?

 

[ReginKarlssonLehner]

I guarantee you Giroux isn't signing over anything starting with a 3.

 

[Loach]

If there's one thing I don't ever expect in pro sports anymore, it's a discount from a player because "he's made a great deal of money in his career already". I still expect a 37 year old to want market value or be prepared to move across the continent for it.

100%, in everything. And if there is a discount something is probably wrong. By the way....that Moose you sold me on a discount is all kinds of fckd up. It doesn't do shyt, just mooses about the yard and starts beef with the neighbours cat. Won't fetch, shake a hoof, nothing. It's disappointing.

 

[Agent Zuuuub]

The average salary of a cap team next year will be 4M with a full roster. Is Giroux that far below average ?

depends on what we could do with the money.

4m or even extra 1-2 mill is a significant amount to get a star or just even to get faster and stronger or fill out with quality depth.

the thing i noticed about Washington is that they had no players like Hamonic or
Giroux slowing the team.

its just 4 lines of relentless size and speed.

 

[Golden_Jet]

3 mill

It's still more than fair considering how he's playing not to mention he lacks a cup and should sacrifice a million for for a better chance at one.

3 million isn’t really fair for 50+ point player.

Edit: now I see you changed that to 2.5 million . Zero chance 2.5 million

 

[BonHoonLayneCornell]

100%, in everything. And if there is a discount something is probably wrong. By the way....that Moose you sold me on a discount is all kinds of fckd up. It doesn't do shyt, just mooses about the yard and starts beef with the neighbours cat. Won't fetch, shake a hoof, nothing. It's disappointing.

It's a sport moose not meant for yard grazing and neighbour mingling. Do more of this...

 

[Agent Zuuuub]

3 million isn’t really fair for 50+ point player.

Edit: now I see you changed that to 2.5 million

50 point player playing with a 90 point player though.

how much more deadly could we be if we replaced Giroux with Ehlers or something.

Ehlers-Stutzle-xx
Brady-Norris-Batherson
Greig-Pinto- xx

we'd rocket up the standings.

 

[Loach]

It's a sport moose not meant for yard grazing and neighbour mingling. Do more of this...

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If people don't immediately hear ACDC when they look at this picture they must be aliens.

 

[BonHoonLayneCornell]

If people don't immediately hear ACDC when they look at this picture they must be aliens.

Hopefully Bon Scott ACDC.

 

[bicboi64]

Lads remember, what Giroux should sign for isn't as important as what he will based on market value.

Yes he's declining, but even if he declined to a 40pt guy (which is unlikely, he'll still hit 50 pts) he's still going to be a faceoff beast and can play in every situation, not to mention his leadership.

What are his comparables in the market and are any of them below $4 million aav?

 

[Alex1234]

50 point player playing with a 90 point player though.

how much more deadly could we be if we replaced Giroux with Ehlers or something.

Ehlers-Stutzle-xx
Brady-Norris-Batherson
Greig-Pinto- xx

we'd rocket up the standings.

Or Boeser or Toffoli
Someone that could convert Stu passes at will

 

[GCK]

Or Boeser or Toffoli
Someone that could convert Stu passes at will

What are sending to acquire this player ?

 

[Alex1234]

What are sending to acquire this player ?

Oh I know
The moron before Staios handcuffed him badly
Unbelievable the damage he did to the franchise
Maybe Boeser as a UFA (1 in a million chance I know)
Probably going to be from within with Green finding the right mix of top 2 lines

 

[DackellDuck]

seems crazy early to me is all. I also think from a practical perspective it's not realistic, as if he does in fact have a slipped disc that they've decided to rehab rather than get surgery, he can likely prevent any buyout by getting surgery to clean it up in the offseason.

Add to that how bad a look buying someone out would be to any future UFA we look to acquire, and it just seems highly unlikely.

You were adamant that the injury wasn’t all that serious and he was recovering very well so there was no prospect of LTIR. No sense even suggesting the possibility of him sitting out the rest of the year!

Now all of a sudden he’ll be too injured as soon as the season ends so he won’t be able to be bought out in the summer? He can strong arm the team but the team can’t strong arm him?

The team can threaten to buy him out, he can have surgery, and we can put him on LTIR for the year. If a 37 year old is having back surgery, his career is likely done.

So problem solved, from a cap perspective, if it becomes a problem. Hopefully he comes back, plays well, and it doesn’t come to that.

 

[Micklebot]

You were adamant that the injury wasn’t all that serious and he was recovering very well so there was no prospect of LTIR. No sense even suggesting the possibility of him sitting out the rest of the year!

Now all of a sudden he’ll be too injured as soon as the season ends so he won’t be able to be bought out in the summer? He can strong arm the team but the team can’t strong arm him?

The team can threaten to buy him out, he can have surgery, and we can put him on LTIR for the year. If a 37 year old is having back surgery, his career is likely done.

So problem solved, from a cap perspective, if it becomes a problem. Hopefully he comes back, plays well, and it doesn’t come to that.

Lol, he's out of non contact jersey as of yesterday.seems like I was and am right that disappearing him with LTIR was fan fiction.

My position was that the player opted to go the rehab route rather than surgery because he and the team expected him to be ready to play this season, that doesn't preclude offseason surgery, guys get things cleaned up in the offseason all the time.

The idea we could just talk him into going on LTIR so that we could trade for someone else is and always was just plain nonsense detached from reality.

 

[DackellDuck]

Lol, he's out of non contact jersey as of yesterday.seems like I was and am right that disappearing him with LTIR was fan fiction.

My position was that the player opted to go the rehab route rather than surgery because he and the team expected him to be ready to play this season, that doesn't preclude offseason surgery, guys get things cleaned up in the offseason all the time.

The idea we could just talk him into going on LTIR so that we could trade for someone else is and always was just plain nonsense detached from reality.

I never suggested that Perron “didn’t” choose the rehab route. He clearly did. He’s currently rehabbing. We know that.

My position was that he and the team COULD have agreed to have surgery, or extend the rehab, now, should they have wanted to do so. Which would have led to LTIR, cap space for the rest of the season, and a healthy start for camp next year.

You claimed it was some sort of impossibility because it would have required him to “fake” an injury… the same injury that you now say may easily lead to surgery and LTIR in the summer!

Always being the contrarian can get you into pretzels sometimes.

 

[Micklebot]

I never suggested that Perron “didn’t” choose the rehab route. He clearly did. He’s currently rehabbing. We know that.

My position was that he and the team COULD have agreed to have surgery, or extend the rehab, now, should they have wanted to do so. Which would have led to LTIR, cap space for the rest of the season, and a healthy start for camp next year.

You claimed it was some sort of impossibility because it would have required him to “fake” an injury… the same injury that you now say may easily lead to surgery and LTIR in the summer!

Always being the contrarian can get you into pretzels sometimes.

This is just fanfiction nonsense, detached from reality, just extend the rehab an extra 3 months, no problem, keep digging, it's a great liok

 

[DackellDuck]

This is just fanfiction nonsense, detached from reality, just extend the rehab an extra 3 months, no problem, keep digging, it's a great liok

Just have surgery in the summer to block a potential buyout for the same injury that could certainly never require an extra three months of rehab or surgery now!

 

[DackellDuck]

Could and should according to who?

He could sign for any amount, but should? This isn't a team that is likely to be wining the cup next year, so why is he taking a haircut?

If he signs at 3 mil, it would likely be a multi year deal acknowledging he will overperform it at the start and underperform it by the end, problem is that is the opposite of what we need. We're better off doing 1 year deals that align with his current expections, so instead of 3m for 2 years, you'd look for a 1 year at 4 followed by a 1 yr at 2, that way when we are closer to being a cup contender, we have more flexibility.

His past earnings aren't really relevant. McDavid has earned over 100 mil, that won't stop him from signing for what he's worth when his current deal expires next year.

Expecting a hometown discount is a recipe for pissing off players and losing them.

The team is responsible for managing it's cap, not Giroux.

Joe Pavelski signed a 1 year 3.5M contract in Dallas coming off a 77 point season because he wanted to keep playing, had no desire to move his family, and wanted to help the team sign other good players.

He scored another 67 points that year after taking such a discount and the Stars made the WCF.

 

[Micklebot]

Just have surgery in the summer to block a potential buyout for the same injury that could certainly never require an extra three months of rehab or surgery now!

So in your fantasy world, how does the conversation go

Hey G, you know that treatment plan we agreed on in consultation with the doctor that allowed you to avoid surgery and return to play after xmas? Yeah, were going to need to change that to spinal surgery so we can go ahead and make a trade. Oh, you don't want surgery, ok well I guess you can just sit out extra long and pretend to be hurt...

Yeah, that's real plausible.

What I said was if he is hindered by his back after returning to the point that a buyout is actually a reasonable option to explore, he could then go the surgery route in the offseason and block a buyout, saving himself over a million dollars and dealing with the issue that hindered his olay, note the "if". The point was in order for a buyout to make sense, his recovery would have to see a set back an if that's the case he has a means to both block a buyout and deal with his health.

The difference here is I'm coming from the perspective of in the event something happens, then he could take reasonable actions, you're coming from the land of fantasy where we can just talk him into going on LTIR so we can acquire a player regardless of his actual medical situation.

 

[Micklebot]

Joe Pavelski signed a 1 year 3.5M contract in Dallas coming off a 77 point season because he wanted to keep playing, had no desire to move his family, and wanted to help the team sign other good players.

He scored another 67 points that year after taking such a discount and the Stars made the WCF.

He did that on a cup contender while hoping for a last shot at the cup, different situations, he also did it in a tax free state which changes things as well. Cap was also about 10% less than it will be when G signs

 

[DackellDuck]

He did that on a cup contender while hoping for a last shot at the cup, different situations, he also did it in a tax free state which changes things as well. Cap was also about 10% less than it will be when G signs

By the end of this season, Ottawa will have a full year of a new system and culture under their belt, a Vezina caliber starter and potentially top flight backup goalie locked in, and they’ll have had their young star players get yet another year of experience.

A playoff spot is very realistic this season, and they could certainly give anyone a stiff test in the 1st round when on their game.

From a hockey perspective, why wouldn’t Giroux think that with the right additions and tweaks, this team could be a contender next year?

Personally, he has 3 young kids, 2 of which are now in school in Ottawa. His wife loves living close to her family and friends, and they’re firmly entrenched in the new home they built right after he signed here. There’s a front office job waiting for him as soon as he retires, should he want it.

So you’re right, it is a different situation than in Dallas. The taxes are higher. But it’s still a situation that *could* very well lead to a hometown discount.