Value of: Claude Giroux to a contender

[Rich Nixon]

What do flyers fans believe Giroux will look for in terms of contract next season ?

Hard to say--it depends on this spring, I'd guess. I'd think if he wins a Cup this year as a mercenary, it might change his priorities going forward.

He just turned 34 and is one of the most durable players in the league--no recurring injuries or major past concussion problems. Since becoming an NHL regular in 2009-10, he's missed only 15 games. Never been out for more than 5 in a season. That's pretty incredible! He probably has 3-5 more years in him, depending on how long he wants to chase a Cup or how much he wants to add atop his $80 million in career earnings.

He also seems quite comfortable in both Philly and in his adopted hometown of Ottawa. Has a very young son and likely wouldn't be a guy who wants to bounce city-to-city at the end of his career like the apocryphal bachelor Jaromir.

So best I can say--he'll probably be looking for at least 2-3 years on his next deal.

 

[Hockey 4 Life]

Hard to say--it depends on this spring, I'd guess. I'd think if he wins a Cup this year as a mercenary, it might change his priorities going forward.

He just turned 34 and is one of the most durable players in the league--no recurring injuries or major past concussion problems. Since becoming an NHL regular in 2009-10, he's missed only 15 games. Never been out for more than 5 in a season. That's pretty incredible! He probably has 3-5 more years in him, depending on how long he wants to chase a Cup or how much he wants to add atop his $80 million in career earnings.

He also seems quite comfortable in both Philly and in his adopted hometown of Ottawa. Has a very young son and likely wouldn't be a guy who wants to bounce city-to-city at the end of his career like the apocryphal bachelor Jaromir.

So best I can say--he'll probably be looking for at least 2-3 years on his next deal.

Thank you for your insight, I appreciate it.

 

[JoemAvs]

Hard to say--it depends on this spring, I'd guess. I'd think if he wins a Cup this year as a mercenary, it might change his priorities going forward.

He just turned 34 and is one of the most durable players in the league--no recurring injuries or major past concussion problems. Since becoming an NHL regular in 2009-10, he's missed only 15 games. Never been out for more than 5 in a season. That's pretty incredible! He probably has 3-5 more years in him, depending on how long he wants to chase a Cup or how much he wants to add atop his $80 million in career earnings.

He also seems quite comfortable in both Philly and in his adopted hometown of Ottawa. Has a very young son and likely wouldn't be a guy who wants to bounce city-to-city at the end of his career like the apocryphal bachelor Jaromir.

So best I can say--he'll probably be looking for at least 2-3 years on his next deal.

Ottawa actually makes a ton of sense. A young and upcoming team and he could perfectly help out Stützle by taking on some of the responsibilities a center usually has considering that Stützle will only have played half a season at center and still has some things to work on.

Really would be perfect if he can win a ring as a rental this season if not for Melnyk.

 

[Rich Nixon]

Thank you for your insight, I appreciate it.

Money is hard to say, because you can't get in his head and know what's important to him. But in terms of value, he's still worth a lot.

He's on an awful team with an abysmal power play, but still a 65+ point player over the last two seasons. Give him even a league-average power play and you get 70+ points out of him. Still kills penalties regularly and is an elite possession/playdriver and a top-tier defensive forward. Put him on a team where he doesn't have to PK and isn't drawing the brunt of the other team's defensive assignments, he might give you 80 or more points again.

If you go age-blind, he's an $8m+ player on the open market next season and worth every penny. Don't know what he is after that, because it's hard to project how a guy is gonna hold up after 35, so no one is likely to give him that money. But his game is all based on intelligence, vision, and hands rather than speed or power, and that's why he hasn't shown much decline yet. I think there are teams out that would easily give him 3x$7m--it just depends on if he wants to play for money, Cup, or comfort.

 

[CupSeeker]

Giroux is a dick. Hoping he stays in Philly and never gets that cup.

 

[57special]

He's been predominantly at center this season. He's world class on the wing but more of a 1b at the center position. Frankly the drop from g to our next best wing was bigger than the drop between couturier and Hayes.

Well, 1B would be more than good enough. I think that MN should go for him. 1st/2nd and prospect not named Rossi, Wallstedt, Lambos. 1st and Hunt/Peart. ROR/Marat I rank a bit more highly. Addison probably ranks the highest because he is NHL ready, and a RHD. Some of the other Dmen might have more upside, but are a longer ways off from being NHL players. Who knows? For all we know Hunt or Warren will end up being the best pro 5 years from now.

 

[captainpaxil]

Well, 1B would be more than good enough. I think that MN should go for him. 1st/2nd and prospect not named Rossi, Wallstedt, Lambos. 1st and Hunt/Peart. ROR/Marat I rank a bit more highly. Addison probably ranks the highest because he is NHL ready, and a RHD. Some of the other Dmen might have more upside, but are a longer ways off from being NHL players. Who knows? For all we know Hunt or Warren will end up being the best pro 5 years from now.

Flyers needs are center and rhd so Rossi is the guy I want but Addison and a first I like as well. Flyers have gone heavy on the wing the last few years so it's more about fit than value. Giroux isn't the kind of player you move for guys who aren't two or three in the position.

What do flyers fans believe Giroux will look for in terms of contract next season ?

I think he gets 4x7 in the open market but in the right situation who knows. He's got young kids so I think he would probably trade some salary for security

 

[GuerinUp]

Flyers needs are center and rhd so Rossi is the guy I want but Addison and a first I like as well. Flyers have gone heavy on the wing the last few years so it's more about fit than value. Giroux isn't the kind of player you move for guys who aren't two or three in the position.



I think he gets 4x7 in the open market but in the right situation who knows. He's got young kids so I think he would probably trade some salary for security

youre 100% not getting rossi, and doubtful addison is available either.

if we wouldnt include rossi on eichel, theres zero chance he gets included on a rental

 

[57special]

Flyers needs are center and rhd so Rossi is the guy I want but Addison and a first I like as well. Flyers have gone heavy on the wing the last few years so it's more about fit than value. Giroux isn't the kind of player you move for guys who aren't two or three in the position.



I think he gets 4x7 in the open market but in the right situation who knows. He's got young kids so I think he would probably trade some salary for security

Rossi is an absolute and utter non starter for MN. He could be playing C for MN right now, but Guerin is preferring to keep him in the AHL right now both for development and cap reasons(his contract will slide if he plays less than 10 NHL games).

Even Addison and 1st is a bit rich for my blood, but in the ball park... I assume Guerin likes Addison because he traded for him. I watch a lot of the AHL and am kind of mystified why Addison is not playing in the NHL over a guy like Benn. Addison is not big, but can skate like the wind and is excellent with the puck. He is a PP/PMD type (so-so defense). Benn...is bigger, and has better facial hair beard.

MN can't re-sign Giroux next year. They are in big cap trouble, and will have to lose one of Zuccarello, Fiala, or Dumba as is. It makes Giroux a little bit less valuable to MN than he might be to some other team.

 

[captainpaxil]

youre 100% not getting rossi, and doubtful addison is available either.

if we wouldnt include rossi on eichel, theres zero chance he gets included on a rental

What are the interesting pieces then? Giroux won't be going for a b level prospect. Besides goaltender wing is probably the flyers deepest position.

 

[Joseph Nathan]

What are the interesting pieces then? Giroux won't be going for a b level prospect. Besides goaltender wing is probably the flyers deepest position.

I mean it's been reported our gm has no interest in rentals that cost a 1st, so its stand to reason that wild aren't interested in claude

 

[GuerinUp]

What are the interesting pieces then? Giroux won't be going for a b level prospect. Besides goaltender wing is probably the flyers deepest position.

We have a bevy of LD prospects that are great. Also have an A-/b+ center prospect in marat.

 

[GuerinUp]

I mean it's been speculated our gm has no interest in rentals that cost a 1st, so in your opinion the wild aren't interested in claude

fixed

 

[Bob Clarke Fan Club]

Giroux is a dick. Hoping he stays in Philly and never gets that cup.

In a world of growing censorship and misinformation, why let this moronic take stand?

 

[Gizmo Tkachuk]

To Philly:

Owen Tippett
Frank Vatrano (cap dump, but could re-sign for cheap)
Grigori Denisenko
2023 2nd Conditional (Upgrades to 2023 1st if Panthers make the Eastern Finals)

To Florida:

Claude Giroux (50%)
Justin Braun

Florida gets another weapon on the wings and a veteran D for the playoffs without really affecting their main roster.

Flyers get two young players with upside, Vatrano who can score in the right situation and will be cheap to resign, and a pick.

How far off is this?

 

[Bob Clarke Fan Club]

To Philly:

Owen Tippett
Frank Vatrano (cap dump, but could re-sign for cheap)
Grigori Denisenko
2023 2nd Conditional (Upgrades to 2023 1st if Panthers make the Eastern Finals)

To Florida:

Claude Giroux (50%)
Justin Braun

Florida gets another weapon on the wings and a veteran D for the playoffs

Flyers get two young players with upside, Vatrano who can score in the right situation and will be cheap to resign, and a pick.

How far off is this?

Definitely no need for that first to be conditional if you're getting Braun and G and salary retention

 

[FlyguyOX]

To Philly:

Owen Tippett
Frank Vatrano (cap dump, but could re-sign for cheap)
Grigori Denisenko
2023 2nd Conditional (Upgrades to 2023 1st if Panthers make the Eastern Finals)

To Florida:

Claude Giroux (50%)
Justin Braun

Florida gets another weapon on the wings and a veteran D for the playoffs without really affecting their main roster.

Flyers get two young players with upside, Vatrano who can score in the right situation and will be cheap to resign, and a pick.

How far off is this?

As a flyers fan I accept in a heartbeat.

 

[VijayPatel11]

To Philly:

Owen Tippett
Frank Vatrano (cap dump, but could re-sign for cheap)
Grigori Denisenko
2023 2nd Conditional (Upgrades to 2023 1st if Panthers make the Eastern Finals)

To Florida:

Claude Giroux (50%)
Justin Braun

Florida gets another weapon on the wings and a veteran D for the playoffs without really affecting their main roster.

Flyers get two young players with upside, Vatrano who can score in the right situation and will be cheap to resign, and a pick.

How far off is this?

Braun is not at all a player we need, he is an RD!!! We already have 4 of those! Team needs an LD before anything else!

 

[Gizmo Tkachuk]

Braun is not at all a player we need, he is an RD!!! We already have 4 of those! Team needs an LD before anything else!

Montour can play LD as well. Braun adds playoff experience and stability to the bottom pairing.

As a flyers fan I accept in a heartbeat.

Maybe this is too generous then lol. But the expectation is that Colorado and others would be bidding on Giroux as well

 

[Boxscore]

To Philly:

Owen Tippett
Frank Vatrano (cap dump, but could re-sign for cheap)
Grigori Denisenko
2023 2nd Conditional (Upgrades to 2023 1st if Panthers make the Eastern Finals)

To Florida:

Claude Giroux (50%)
Justin Braun

Florida gets another weapon on the wings and a veteran D for the playoffs without really affecting their main roster.

Flyers get two young players with upside, Vatrano who can score in the right situation and will be cheap to resign, and a pick.

How far off is this?

Actually, I think this is a very good trade for both teams. A very realistic, fair and worthwhile proposal.

 

[habsfan44]

The flyers are in a losing skid and the media and fans are talking about blowing it up.

It’s time for Flyers to trade Claude Giroux and go into full rebuild mode

While I'd much rather fire the coach and re up him to retire a flyer I can also see the organization giving him the opportunity to try and win one.

He's having a great year and his best attribute his vision isn't something that is suceptable to age. 60+ pt winger at 5mil.

What would the offers look like?

If the Flyers decide to move him it'll happen on deadline day or very close to it , at that point the cap hit and any potential retention are at the lowest possible point , so assuming that Philly is willing to retain 50% at that time and/or agree to take back a contract I see no reason why they couldn't get a late first and a good prospect at a minimum , probably more . Just my two pennies worth but I do like your idea of firing the coach and getting G's autograph on a contract .

 

[Fight4yourRight]

To Philly:

Owen Tippett
Frank Vatrano (cap dump, but could re-sign for cheap)
Grigori Denisenko
2023 2nd Conditional (Upgrades to 2023 1st if Panthers make the Eastern Finals)

To Florida:

Claude Giroux (50%)
Justin Braun

Florida gets another weapon on the wings and a veteran D for the playoffs without really affecting their main roster.

Flyers get two young players with upside, Vatrano who can score in the right situation and will be cheap to resign, and a pick.

How far off is this?

Probably pretty fair in value. Shockingly, this is the best looking trade proposal I’ve seen on here. And not so shocking, it’s from a non-Avs fan.

 

[VijayPatel11]

Montour can play LD as well. Braun adds playoff experience and stability to the bottom pairing.

No, he really can't. That is part of the reason he was so bad in Buffalo. Braun is not what the team needs.

 

[Gizmo Tkachuk]

No, he really can't. That is part of the reason he was so bad in Buffalo. Braun is not what the team needs.

I think he was bad in Buffalo because he played in Buffalo...

 

[1865]

To Philly:

Owen Tippett
Frank Vatrano (cap dump, but could re-sign for cheap)
Grigori Denisenko
2023 2nd Conditional (Upgrades to 2023 1st if Panthers make the Eastern Finals)

To Florida:

Claude Giroux (50%)
Justin Braun

Florida gets another weapon on the wings and a veteran D for the playoffs without really affecting their main roster.

Flyers get two young players with upside, Vatrano who can score in the right situation and will be cheap to resign, and a pick.

How far off is this?

We don’t really want quantity.