Proposal: Chychrun to St. Louis

[Ledge And Dairy]

Add Perunavich, you are short ending yourself on this offer IMO

 

[McJedi]

To STL:
Jakob Chychrun

To ARI:
Marco Scandella
Klim Kostin
Jake Neighbours
**Conditional 1st

**St. Louis gets to choose whether it’s a 2022 or 2023 1st, once the playoffs are over.

Spoiler: Long-winded Justification

For the record, I expect 3/4 of Yotes fans to decline this. And I’m not sure I’d accept. I think Chychrun is worth more than this.

My thinking here is that if he must be dealt for some mysterious and stupid reason, and it can’t wait beyond this deadline, what might be a good fit?

Bill Armstrong and Doug Armstrong have a great relationship. Bill left the Blues just weeks before the Neighbours draft, and likely had a huge influence on the pick. He was also the top dog in the scouting department when Kostin was selected.

Meanwhile Scandella has made himself fairly expendable and is signed for two more seasons. Chychrun is a MAJOR upgrade, with only a minor bump in aav. Chychrun is the same age as Kyrou and Thomas and fits with that future core. Yet, he’s a major piece for right now that can help while the ROR, Tank, Saad, Krug, Faulk (all are 30 years old) window is open. It’s a rare opportunity for a team like STL to bolster both the present and the future in one move.

For Arizona, I’m looking at this from the perspective of a culture changing deal. Adding guys like Neighbors and Kostin, so AZ can focus more on pure skill at the draft table. They need roster players for next season, too. They’ve got nobody signed. Neighbours and Kostin are both NHL-ready for next season.

Kostin doesn’t have enough value to make this trade work. Arizona would pull him out and ask for a better prospect.

 

[Dr Amazing]

Lol Haha

 

[Schemp]

Need to do a Scandella trade 1st.
I still think Logan Brown will end up on the Coyotes.

 

[rt]

Oil fan who’d offer Barrie + 1st + Broberg. I’d have to think that’s better than the Blues package.

I don’t like it as much.

 

[rt]

Add Perunavich, you are short ending yourself on this offer IMO

That’s what I thought, myself. But I didn’t want to be a homer.

 

[Roof Daddy]

I don’t like it as much.

Fair enough, I guess it depends on your opinion of Broberg, but I think he’s more valuable than Neighbours and Kostin combined.

 

[rt]

Seems light, I'd hope Detroit gets in the mix if that's all Yotes are looking for

I had a version cooked up where it was Chychrun with 30% retained for Scandella, Neighbours, the ‘22 1st AND the ‘23 1st.

 

[rt]

Fair enough, I guess it depends on your opinion of Broberg, but I think he’s more valuable than Neighbours and Kostin combined.

Yeah, that’s fair. I could see that. And Barrie is a better dump than than Scandella.

 

[Ledge And Dairy]

That’s what I thought, myself. But I didn’t want to be a homer.

On another note I think St. Louis would prefer to keep Neighbors since he is more NHL ready. I dont think there should be much complaint about replacing him with Bolduc from Arizona's perspective

 

[Moose and Squirrel]

Halak+D'ags+3rd

BOOK IT!

 

[rt]

On another note I think St. Louis would prefer to keep Neighbors since he is more NHL ready. I dont think there should be much complaint about replacing him with Bolduc from Arizona's perspective

There would be a huge complaint from my perspective. I don’t think much of Bolduc as a prospect. I’ve watched a fair bit of Quebec games this season (maybe twelve or fifteen).

I wouldn’t have any interest at all if Bolduc was a substitute for Neighbours. Not sure I even prefer him to Kostin.

I might trade one of our 2nds for Bolduc, but ONLY because we have 5 of them. If we only had two, I probably wouldn’t. As I mentioned, I’ve seen him play over a dozen times this season and I don’t like him much at all, honestly. Not a fan at all.

Bolduc reminds me of Nick Schmaltz but taller, stronger, and much more willing to use his shot. But I think he’s much worse with the puck, and much poorer in transition. Not as good as Schmaltz at creating turnovers, either.

But they’re the same in a lot of ways. Often a bit lazy, often a bit dumb, neither can really figure out how to pay center, other than bits and pieces of the position. I don’t see Bolduc translatimg to center unless he cleans up a TON of issue.

Both Bolduc and Schmaltz are talented and should be better than they are. Bolduc has time and his production is good, but he never passes the eye test for me. Im honestly more impressed by James Malatesta when I watch Quebec play. If I had to rank them, I’d say 1. Neighbours 2. Gaucher 3. Malatesta & 4/5. Bolduc/Kostin (hard to decide on these two).

Meanwhile, I see Neighbours (I’ve watched most of his games this season) as a bit of a poor man’s Matthew Tkachuk. Underrated playmaker. His passing skills aren’t jaw dropping, but his vision and instincts are really good. He puts the puck in high danger areas. He’s really a benefit to skilled linemates because he works his ass off, takes the puck to tough areas, and has the smarts to put it in the best real-estate for goals.

He’s fun to watch because of all the intangibles you hear about. I really don’t think his production is only high because he plays with talent. I do believe it’s a two-way street. He’s the kind of guy who earns his secondary assists. You know how sometimes a guy gets a REALLY good secondary assist? That’s Neighbours.

My only point here is that I prefer Neighbours and by a whole heckuva lot. I’d probably rather have Neighbors than pick #15. Meanwhile, I’d probably rather have pick #45 than Bolduc.

None of that is to say I’m right about any of it. Just how I see it. I know there are others that like Bolduc a lot. He’s been a very polarizing prospect for a couple of years now.

I can see why some folks like some of his individual tools. I mean, I do, too. I just don’t like how it all fits together. And it’s not the right combination where I can project a low floor based on any of them. I see big time bust potential and I’m just not a fan of his game.

 

[PocketNines]

I get it, but I just don't think St. Louis would do it

I would be bewildered if this exact deal could happen but didn't. There are two possible hiccups which have to get mentioned.

(1) Scandella might have Arizona on his 7-team no trade (a real possibility). I don't know if he's worth a mid-late round pick to another team and if so the Blues would happily pass that minor value onto Arizona if they ask for it.

(2) The 1.325M difference between Chychrun and Scandella might need to be retained in which case I pre-emptively accept the alternate OP offer of Chychrun 30% retained for Scandella's value, Neighbors and two firsts. The reason I do this is I believe I will be able to trade Tarasenko for a first after the season. Cap 7.5M and real dollars 5.5M, clearly has another contract in him.

 

[PocketNines]

It's funny to see all the different opinions on which prospect it should be. How about this:

Chychrun

for

[Value of] Scandella (the cap part)
Two prospects of Arizona's choosing
1st round 2022

or (depending on our cap realities)

Chychrun 30% retained

for

[Value of] Scandella (the cap part)
One prospect of Arizona's choosing
1st round 2022
1st round 2023

Again, Blues get a 1st back for Tarasenko in the offseason IMO which is part of this calculation.

 

[rt]

I would be bewildered if this exact deal could happen but didn't. There are two possible hiccups which have to get mentioned.

(1) Scandella might have Arizona on his 7-team no trade (a real possibility). I don't know if he's worth a mid-late round pick to another team and if so the Blues would happily pass that minor value onto Arizona if they ask for it.

(2) The 1.325M difference between Chychrun and Scandella might need to be retained in which case I pre-emptively accept the alternate OP offer of Chychrun 30% retained for Scandella's value, Neighbors and two firsts. The reason I do this is I believe I will be able to trade Tarasenko for a first after the season. Cap 7.5M and real dollars 5.5M, clearly has another contract in him.

7 team list usually means “not Canada”.

My preference is Chychrun (30% retained) for Scandella, Neighbours and two 1sts (‘22 & ‘23). That’s the deal I’m hoping for.

 

[PocketNines]

7 team list usually means “not Canada”.

My preference is Chychrun (30% retained) for Scandella, Neighbours and two 1sts (‘22 & ‘23). That’s the deal I’m hoping for.

Right but Scandella is from Quebec province IIRC. We just don't know who's on it.

I would happily accept that deal. I'd trade Tarasenko in the offseason and get one of my lost 1sts back.

Presumably the first prospect of Arizona's choosing would be Neighbors. He would seem to have an Oshie style ceiling. That kind of player + a 1st is some real value that we can both overcome and that Arizona would value.

 

[rt]

Right but Scandella is from Quebec province IIRC. We just don't know who's on it.

It’s generally about about taxes rather than national pride.

Also, often NTCs list teams that are more likely to trade for players. This gives the player the ability to choose between multiple teams looking to acquire. Scandella did not envision himself being a cap-dump, and therefore may not have simply listed a bunch of basement teams. Often, players feel safe from these teams and gamble by adding contenders.

Phoenix is low tax, warm weather, and unlikely to acquire quality vets. Seems like a solid gamble to leave off the list.

Obviously I’m just speculating. But I notice fans often assume NTC lists are comprised of the teams least likely to win the Cup. From everything I’ve read and heard, that’s rarely the case. It’s usually Canada, Buffalo and Columbus. But it’s also sometimes teams that players know may be interested, giving them some control.

 

[PocketNines]

It’s generally about about taxes rather than national pride.

Also, often NTCs list teams that are more likely to trade for players. This gives the player the ability to choose between multiple teams looking to acquire. Scandella did not envision himself being a cap-dump, and therefore may not have simply listed a bunch of basement teams. Often, players feel safe from these teams and gamble by adding contenders.

Phoenix is low tax, warm weather, and unlikely to acquire quality vets. Seems like a solid gamble to leave off the list.

Obviously I’m just speculating. But I notice fans often assume NTC lists are comprised of the teams least likely to win the Cup. From everything I’ve read and heard, that’s rarely the case. It’s usually Canada, Buffalo and Columbus. But it’s also sometimes teams that players know may be interested, giving them some control.

Anything you can say to make it seem more likely it's not an issue, I am happy to hear.

 

[rt]

Halak+D'ags+3rd

BOOK IT!

Booked.

 

[rt]

Anything you can say to make it seem more likely it's not an issue, I am happy to hear.

Would you rather keep Kostin, shave the 1.4aav off of Chychrun the next 3.5yrs, and give up the extra 1st instead?

 

[Xerloris]

I think Blues fans would offer more. I know personally I would be good with Perunovich, Kostin, Bolduc, 1st, Scandella.

 

[Memento]

Man, I just don't know. I'd love to have Chychrun, but Neighbours could be special, and I'm hesitant to give up Kostin and a first as well. I'd gladly give up Perunovich because I don't think he has a spot here with Krug, but still...

I think it's perfect value, but I just don't know if I'd give up Neighbours and Kostin, as well as the first.

 

[Linkens Mastery]

I think Blues fans would offer more. I know personally I would be good with Perunovich, Kostin, Bolduc, 1st, Scandella.

As long as it doesn't include Kyrou or Thomas I'm willing to listen on anything

 

[Dan Kelly]

Barrie is a cap dump to the Coyotes. Need to add a young roster player or good prospect (Lavoie?).

Broberg is a good prospect, but perhaps Lavoie and a 2nd as well ?

 

[NotTheRocketman]

To STL:
Jakob Chychrun

To ARI:
Marco Scandella
Klim Kostin
Jake Neighbours
**Conditional 1st

**St. Louis gets to choose whether it’s a 2022 or 2023 1st, once the playoffs are over.

Spoiler: Long-winded Justification

For the record, I expect 3/4 of Yotes fans to decline this. And I’m not sure I’d accept. I think Chychrun is worth more than this.

My thinking here is that if he must be dealt for some mysterious and stupid reason, and it can’t wait beyond this deadline, what might be a good fit?

Bill Armstrong and Doug Armstrong have a great relationship. Bill left the Blues just weeks before the Neighbours draft, and likely had a huge influence on the pick. He was also the top dog in the scouting department when Kostin was selected.

Meanwhile Scandella has made himself fairly expendable and is signed for two more seasons. Chychrun is a MAJOR upgrade, with only a minor bump in aav. Chychrun is the same age as Kyrou and Thomas and fits with that future core. Yet, he’s a major piece for right now that can help while the ROR, Tank, Saad, Krug, Faulk (all are 30 years old) window is open. It’s a rare opportunity for a team like STL to bolster both the present and the future in one move.

For Arizona, I’m looking at this from the perspective of a culture changing deal. Adding guys like Neighbors and Kostin, so AZ can focus more on pure skill at the draft table. They need roster players for next season, too. They’ve got nobody signed. Neighbours and Kostin are both NHL-ready for next season.

This actually is pretty close to what a lot of people expect it to be if the deal goes down, and I think it's a pretty solid deal for both teams.

Scandella has to go to free up cap; no matter the deal, he's gone.

Kostin has some real potential on a team where he isn't buried on the 4th line like he is in STL. He's huge, hits everything, he fights anyone, and has good hands. He also won a KHL championship last year, so he actually has some (non NHL) playoff experience as well.

Neighbors is the centerpiece though. He played about 10 games with the Blues this year, and he looked really good for being so young. He hits everything, he fights, and he has some really slick hands too. The Blues are really excited for his future.

Not much to say about the 1st : )

As for Chychrun, he's THE piece the Blues are missing right now. Army doesn't do rentals, so someone with term makes more sense. I'd make this trade.