Penguinzilla*
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My Buffalo Sabres' friend who thinks everything in the world sucks, said this was a great signing.
I hope we keep Martin and somehow get rid of Scuderi. This is a fantastic deal if that happens.
One of Martin or Scuderi has to go for this to be a good deal.
There's no way we're trading a 33 year old Paul Martin and keeping a 35 year old Scuderi... not at that salary he has. That would be... they don't make a word for how dumb that would be. If Scuderi only made 2M a year or something you could at least debate it from a cap perspective, but as things are... Martin is by far the better D value and the better long-term asset to keep. Also it's not likely Martin's game will degrade much at age 34 or 35, given his style of play. He could easily be around for a while in this league.
I believe this deal was made specifically for that purpose, to cut Scuderi loose at some point.
From your mouth to God's ears. I certainly hope you're right, and while my mind, and logic in general, are telling me the exact same thing, I won't believe it until I see it.
Also, if we're going to move Scuderi, I feel this has to be done now; not only for cap purposes and to allow us to explore other players, but before Scuderi's game declines any further and other teams possibly wanting nothing to do with him.
#10 is not a defenseman's number. Bust signing.
Scuds seems to me to be the prototypical "this young team over here who wasn't very good the last few years, and are on the brink of taking the next step in their playoff development, need some vet leadership to show them how to play in the playoffs" type player... that kind of trade. I could see him ending up in Colorado or Dallas for picks. Neither D is very deep, both have good offenses that are coming along rapidly. I don't think he'd balk at either trade with his MNTC.
Is there anyone that would actually want Scuderi? You can't just trade someone because you want to, there needs to be someone to trade him to
Many teams would be interested in Scuderi. I could see the Avs interested or the Isles. I hope he is traded. I still stand by my earlier statement, this was the best signing made today. If Scuderi is gone it just makes this signing even better. Who would have thought even yesterday that possibly Orpik, Glass and Scuderi could be gone and Ehrhoff signed for a very reasonable price? Definitely addition by subtraction.
Scuderi will only accept some teams, it has to be near New York ish. I'm sure all teams are East Coast to be near his home.
Scuderi will only accept some teams, it has to be near New York ish. I'm sure all teams are East Coast to be near his home.
Many teams would be interested in Scuderi. I could see the Avs interested or the Isles. I hope he is traded. I still stand by my earlier statement, this was the best signing made today. If Scuderi is gone it just makes this signing even better. Who would have thought even yesterday that possibly Orpik, Glass and Scuderi could be gone and Ehrhoff signed for a very reasonable price? Definitely addition by subtraction.
There's no way we're trading a 33 year old Paul Martin and keeping a 35 year old Scuderi... not at that salary he has. That would be... they don't make a word for how dumb that would be.
I agree with the sentiment and if Scuderi can be traded for a simple 3rd round pick it will be well worth it.
I would give someone a 4th round pick to take Scuderi.
I think you are looking at it the wrong way, even if of course I would also much prefer having Martin on the team over Scuderi.
But looking at the cap right now, it is very difficult to do anything significant on the top 6, and we have just a few ways to open room. Scuderi opens room if he is dealt for a pick and in that case we can get an UFA with that money.
Martin would arguably be the best defenseman on the market if he had been an UFA, and with him you can not only open up cap-room, you could also realistically get a significant asset in return, and this becomes more interesting with the news/strong rumors that Martin will eventually want to try out free agency next season.
When it comes to "they don't make a word for how dumb that would be", what we should be looking at is the combined return Shero's tactics got us for Niskanen, Orpik, Michalek, Engelland, Strait and Joe Morrow.... this while also spending two 2nd rounders at the deadline on missfit Murray who we did not extend. This is the most monumentally spastic way of not profiting on having build a strong D-pipeline.
Hence, when looking at Martin now... and realising that Scuderi is at least an asset for two more years (Brad Stuart returned a 2nd and a 6th for San Jose yesterday).... you also have to consider if we can really let another top defenseman go for nothing next season. For me.... if there are good deals out there for Martin.... I say we gotta listen. Otherwise.... sure, get rid of Scuds salary to create some room.
What do you think the retun for Scuderi would look like? Before yesterday I thought it would be a 5th rounder at max but now I think it could be a 2nd/3rd?
I think you are looking at it the wrong way, even if of course I would also much prefer having Martin on the team over Scuderi.
But looking at the cap right now, it is very difficult to do anything significant on the top 6, and we have just a few ways to open room. Scuderi opens room if he is dealt for a pick and in that case we can get an UFA with that money.
Martin would arguably be the best defenseman on the market if he had been an UFA, and with him you can not only open up cap-room, you could also realistically get a significant asset in return, and this becomes more interesting with the news/strong rumors that Martin will eventually want to try out free agency next season.
When it comes to "they don't make a word for how dumb that would be", what we should be looking at is the combined return Shero's tactics got us for Niskanen, Orpik, Michalek, Engelland, Strait and Joe Morrow.... this while also spending two 2nd rounders at the deadline on missfit Murray who we did not extend. This is the most monumentally spastic way of not profiting on having build a strong D-pipeline.
Hence, when looking at Martin now... and realising that Scuderi is at least an asset for two more years (Brad Stuart returned a 2nd and a 6th for San Jose yesterday).... you also have to consider if we can really let another top defenseman go for nothing next season. For me.... if there are good deals out there for Martin.... I say we gotta listen. Otherwise.... sure, get rid of Scuds salary to create some room.