Player Discussion Christian Dvorak

[Deleted member 257557]

Fun to lose both Danault and Kotkaniemi for someone who, if we’re lucky, will be a bit better than Danault. Bergevin and Molson and everyone in the team organization should be fired. This is a fiasco all around.

How will Dvorak and Evans ever replace kk and Phil’s whopping total of 10 goals combined???

 

[Steve Austin]

How will Dvorak and Evans ever replace kk and Phil’s whopping total of 10 goals combined???

Phil was good to go up against other teams’ top lines. A defensive beast. KK just turned 21 and was a very recent 3rd OA pick who had strong underlying stats.

 

[le_sean]

Phil was good to go up against other teams’ top lines. A defensive beast. KK just turned 21 and was a very recent 3rd OA pick who had strong underlying stats.

While line matching is important in the playoffs as we just saw, it’s pretty useless in the regular season. I’ll take the guy who scores more as a top 6 C.

 

[Deleted member 257557]

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Phil was good to go up against other teams’ top lines. A defensive beast. KK just turned 21 and was a very recent 3rd OA pick who had strong underlying stats.

Sure but that’s still 12 million dollars for 2 players I would not pay to watch. Hard to finish worse than 18th too; at least we get to watch goal scorers this year. I feel the pp should take them to the playoffs.

 

[le_sean]

Last two IG posts are some charity work he did. Seems like a good dude.

 

[NORiculous]

He is pretty good. Underrated player and he play with a shit team like Arizona. 17 goals in 56 games it's pretty good.

He overachieved a bit last year with over 12% in shooting percentage (normally averages 9-10%) but it will be interesting to see what he can do.

 

[tazsub3]

While line matching is important in the playoffs as we just saw, it’s pretty useless in the regular season. I’ll take the guy who scores more as a top 6 C.

exactly, not like we had lots of success with danault in the reg season

 

[le_sean]

exactly, not like we had lots of success with danault in the reg season

We were putting him on the ice in 3 on 3 to play defensive hockey because we didn’t trust anyone other than him and Suzuki. Pretty sad.

 

[Apoplectic Habs Fan]

So you're hoping for Danault?

Its pretty good if done from the second line

No Frill Phil was doing less then that on MTLs first line (outside of a career yr)

 

[sheed36]

All 17 of Dvorak's goals from last season in just over 4 minutes.



He gets his shot off much quicker than what KK does that's for sure which was quite frustrating to watch.

Edit: Oops. I didn't see a similar post above before posting. My video is much shorter though.

 

[Belial]

we could do something like

Anderson - Suzuki - Caufield
Drouin - Dvorak - Toffoli
Hoffman - Evans - Gally
Lehkonen - Poehling - Armia
Paquette/Perreault/Byron

A quality 2 way C with good offense could allow Drouin to play his game, who knows.

Perreault was signed to play, he will not be out of the lineup IMO!

He took a massive pay cut because he wanted to play for the Habs and not because he was done/useless. He was one of the best players on that Winterpeg roster when we faced them in the PO.

 

[Blame the referee]

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Sure but that’s still 12 million dollars for 2 players I would not pay to watch. Hard to finish worse than 18th too; at least we get to watch goal scorers this year. I feel the pp should take them to the playoffs.

Instead we pay like 10 millions for three players to play on the fourth line!

 

[Captain97]

The guy paced for 25 goals and 45 points on Arizona last year, is good defensively, good on the draw, and decent on the powerplay.

Let's say our wingers provide more goals than Arizona (they should) playing with Gallagher/Anderson and Hoffman I could see his point totals next year be

25 goals 30 assists pretty easily. That's a solid 2C.

While his point totals will likely be similar to Danault he scored more goals in 56 games this year than Danault ever did in a full season by about 30%.

 

[26Mats]

And makes less than both of them.

You have to pay to get good centers.

 

[Captain97]

My lineup atm would be:

Toffoli - Suzuki - Caufield
Hoffman - Dvorak - Gallagher
Drouin - Evans - Anderson
Perrault - Paquette- Armia

Eddy - Petry
Romanov - Savard
Chiarot - Wideman

The reason I have Wideman over Kulak is I'm hoping he could help with the PP. If Norlinder makes the team I'd have him over Wideman.

Also my 2 and 3 pairings are basically 2.5s with Wideman being sheltered the most and Chiarot taking some Dzone shifts with Savard.

 

[Catanddogguitarrr]

Phil was good to go up against other teams’ top lines. A defensive beast. KK just turned 21 and was a very recent 3rd OA pick who had strong underlying stats.

Danault and Kotka are replaced by different players. Nobody in the new line-up can do the same defensive job Danault was doing. Kotka as a second center is replaced by Dvorak, who is ready and not a project player. Poehling or Evans replace Danault as the shutdown center. This is where I'm worryed. But both Evans and Poehling have the potential. There is also Perreault and Paquette, so the defensive center will be a combined job of many centers, maybe, or the best that will come up of those.

 

[BehindTheTimes]

Welcome, Christian!

Discuss about the player here.



P.S. His top linemate seems to have been Phil Kessel.
P.P.S. Dvorak was apparently mainly used in 1st line. 38 point is his career high! Woof!

It’s Arizona’s fault.

 

[BehindTheTimes]

He's better than KK but worse than Danault basically

This, I’d rather have Danault, 1st, 3rd. Or Danault kk. It’s not close. It’s been a complete lesson on how to mismanage assets.

 

[BehindTheTimes]

Fun to lose both Danault and Kotkaniemi for someone who, if we’re lucky, will be a bit better than Danault. Bergevin and Molson and everyone in the team organization should be fired. This is a fiasco all around.

Yet, the spin doctors are out in full force.

 

[Captain97]

This, I’d rather have Danault, 1st, 3rd. Or Danault kk. It’s not close. It’s been a complete lesson on how to mismanage assets.

Except that wasn't an option...

KK was signed to a 6 million dollar offer sheet

Danault left for 500k a year,

This is a making the best out of a bad scenario.

Danault wanted a bigger role and KK appears to have wanted out to some degree.

 

[DavePeak]

ME LIKEY!

I enjoyed the video even though it was quite long, maybe I should have watched the shorter one posted afterwards instead

What I get from the video is that Dvorak can be quite streaky, many games where he scores more than once, but then can go cold for a few games. He often opens the score. 11 power play goals. Not afraid to go in the slot and has an eye for the net (not for the goalie's jersey logo). Interesting addition to our skilled group of forwards.

 

[BehindTheTimes]

Except that wasn't an option...

KK was signed to a 6 million dollar offer sheet

Danault left for 500k a year,

This is a making the best out of a bad scenario.

Danault wanted a bigger role and KK appears to have wanted out to some degree.

We could have locked them both up. MB has never learned his lesson about low balling his rfa’s. rumour has he was offering 6m over 3 years. Danault could have been had, knowing what we know now there wasn’t even an overpay there IMO. I think he’s better than Dvorak overall:

 

[Catanddogguitarrr]

My lineup atm would be:

Toffoli - Suzuki - Caufield
Hoffman - Dvorak - Gallagher
Drouin - Evans - Anderson
Perrault - Paquette- Armia

I would switch Gallagher with Anderson because I want to see a line that really shut down the best lines when it's needed. Gallagher did that in the past and Anderson is a power forward that should be used to help an offensive line.

So my lines would be :

Toffoli - Suzuki - Caufield
Hoffman - Dvorak - Anderson
Drouin - Evans - Gallagher
Perreault - Paquette - Armia

 

[Captain97]

I like that our 2C is pretty much Guaranteed more than 15 goals next year and paced for 25 last. Last year KK and Danault combined for 10, Dvorak had 17. I think our forward group is better than last year's regular season.

In:

Hoffman, Dvorak, Perrault, Paquette, Caufield*

Out

Danault, Perry, KK,

Assuming Lehkonen is scratched and Byron is LTIR'd, I'm also assuming Paquette and Perrault put up similar goal totals to Byron and lehkoen so we'll call that a wash.

Now let's compare projected goals:

Dvorak (20) vs Danault (12)
Hoffman (27) vs KK (10)
Caufield (25) vs Perry (15)

I'm willing to bet our forward group scores about 35 - 40 more goals than last year once we factor in Suzuki getting better with each year of maturity.

 

[Bacchus1]

I can see it now:

Toffoli - Suzuki - Caufield
Hoffman - Dvorak - Anderson
Drouin - Poehling - Gallagher
Lekhonen - Evans - Armia
Paquette

Romanov - Petry
Edmundson - Savard
Norlinder - Chiarot
Kulak - Wideman

Price
Allen

Don't know what the line ups will be, but overall, I LIKE!